Spyderco Advocate bearing Race A total Failure..

I've been carrying my Advocate regularly since this info came on my radar...I figured if I left it on the shelf, it would stay exactly the same - and it would be hard to justify sending it back for whatever fix. I'll either love it or hate it in due time, unless it craps out on me first.
 
marcus52AR said:
I recommend once you get it back refrain from tinkering with the pivot tension. I sent my Domino in and it's been great since I got it back.
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Good to hear. I have no doubts spyderco will make things right.
Did you get hit with any fees along the way?
 
i will not buy another spyderco product because they dont stand behind their products. at LEAST with benchmade you can pay a small fee and get a blade replaced. spyderco wont even offer that as an option . they should recall all the spyderco advocates or send out free repair kits to every owner as they request them. or send them a redesigned pivot with washers instead of bearings .
 
brownshoe said:
Bearings are fun. My CRKT Eros has been flipping for 4 years with no problem. My CRK TiLock has been going strong as well.

Back about 15 years ago, Bob Terzuola showed that bronze washers were inferior to the Nylatron he uses. Per Bob, there is no need for lubrication in Bob's ACTF, thus no oil/grease to attract dirt and sand, not so with broze washers.
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I understand bearings are fun, and hey, honestly that's all the reason a person needs to warrant enjoying their knife and i totally respect that. I'm just trying to make the point that you might have bearing knives that flip and last a while, but in no way shape or form are they a structural upgrade to any knife. Imagine doing a handstand on your 5 fingertips (if it were possible) and then do the same with your palms flat against the floor, easy to see which would be more supportive. There may be better options in terms of maintenance and long term abrasion between surfaces (bronze vs nylon based washers etc.) but washers of any kind are still better structurally than bearings. It's just more moving parts to worry about, contact surfaces need to have an interface to stop wear, and they simply haven't been engineered well enough to last long term if used as a work knife in my opinion.
 
One of the reasons i dont buy at release. Wait for some reports on either good or bad. Shame though i had similar issue with my Southard long ago when i sent it in. I just the caged bearings had a bit more bearings in them to improve the flipping.
 
Hi UAB,

I would prefer that you do not assemble it and send it to me as is. Please include all of the parts.

sal
 
Sal Glesser said:
Hi UAB,

I would prefer that you do not assemble it and send it to me as is. Please include all of the parts.

sal
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Thank you for your comment Mr Glesser. I will ship it back tomorrow or Saturday if my work schedule allows!

Thanks again
Spencer


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Sal Glesser said:
Please call it to my attention.

thanx much,

sal
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Yes Sir I have written that you have requested it on the description of the problem and shipping box! Thanks again Mr Glesser

Spencer


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Mick_1KRR said:
The sooner manufacturers get off this silly bearing craze and focus more on large, supportive polished bronze washers the better. Since the day bearing knives came out i have said they will have these kinds of issues (i still cop tons of flack for saying it on forums these days), plus even models without this specific issue still have the bearings slowly cutting tracks into the titanium handles that are much softer, since hardly any have hard steel bushings between the two surfaces. Polish large washers and a good detent will flip just as well as bearings, last longer and offer much more lateral support. Bearings are a gimmick, also just another marketing angle to sell more knives. Best of luck with the repair.
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Couldn't agree more. No need to over-complicate a simple tool.

dauntless15 said:
i will not buy another spyderco product because they dont stand behind their products. at LEAST with benchmade you can pay a small fee and get a blade replaced. spyderco wont even offer that as an option . they should recall all the spyderco advocates or send out free repair kits to every owner as they request them. or send them a redesigned pivot with washers instead of bearings .
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This is BS dude. They do stand behind their products. You obviously don't pay attention or you wouldn't make blanket statements like "they don't stand behind their products". Read more. Post less.
 
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So everyone should be sending these back to SAL and not expect to pay any fees or costs. ATTN: Sal Glesser
 
Everyone begged Spyderco for flippers & bearings, so they are a relatively new thing for Spyderco. Sure it'll get panned out.:thumbup:

People that use a knife as a meditative tool, I don't think realize how many times in a week they cycle the blade open. 1000's of deployments will wear on bearings. You have what 12+ additional parts in a knife with bearings.:)
 
skwurll said:
Everyone begged Spyderco for flippers & bearings, so they are a relatively new thing for Spyderco. Sure it'll get panned out.:thumbup:

People that use a knife as a meditative tool, I don't think realize how many times in a week they cycle the blade open. 1000's of deployments will wear on bearings. You have what 12+ additional parts in a knife with bearings.:)
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2012/2013 unless there was something before the Southard.
 
I was thinking the Southard too. Not sure though.

Spyderco probably sources the bearings. It may be a bad batch or a blanket problem? Sure they're looking into it.
 
Mick_1KRR said:
I understand bearings are fun, and hey, honestly that's all the reason a person needs to warrant enjoying their knife and i totally respect that. I'm just trying to make the point that you might have bearing knives that flip and last a while, but in no way shape or form are they a structural upgrade to any knife. Imagine doing a handstand on your 5 fingertips (if it were possible) and then do the same with your palms flat against the floor, easy to see which would be more supportive. There may be better options in terms of maintenance and long term abrasion between surfaces (bronze vs nylon based washers etc.) but washers of any kind are still better structurally than bearings. It's just more moving parts to worry about, contact surfaces need to have an interface to stop wear, and they simply haven't been engineered well enough to last long term if used as a work knife in my opinion.
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All very logical, but bearing based pivot systems work in many knives and configurations. The TiLock has the bearings held in some kind of plastic (nylon?) cage. My Eros has them loose in a race (?). I've cut the backs out of chickens with both knives and they both have more than enough structural integrity. The Eros is a small light weight knife and except for a loose pivot screw that needed locktite within the first month, it has held up like new for 4 years.

Logic is not always "right." For example, the Endura was a great knife until user "logic" demanded steel liners and a less pointy tip, however my FRN-only spydercos have never failed and are lighter and if you know how to use a knife, the pointy tip was a joy.
 
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