Spyderco "made in Taiwan"

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I don't have any problem with the Sebenza. It's a beautiful user knife and that has appropriate levels of workmanship put into it and part of the appeal is that workmanship level. I just don't care for the way the Southard looks and think it has gimmicky features like a probably overpriced. The Sebenza is the opposite. it doesn't have a new fad steel, and it's smoothness comes from it's fit and finish, not some kind of complicated ball bearing system.
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Yeah, we get it. You don't like the knife. I get the impression you haven't owned one or used one though. Sure, have an opinion. How much weight do we put in the opinions of people who don't know the knife they are really opinionated about do you suppose?

I like mine. It's an excellent knife that is made to an extremely high standard, and performs very well. Where it was made means nothing whatsoever to me with the exception that I have begun to expect excellence from that particular vendor. The steel really performs well. I like it better than the Sebbie I had ( S30V), and wouldn't trade. I prefer it to my Kershaw 0551 as well. In fact I prefer it to the Volt and speedform as well.

It's well worth it in my opinion and I'm keeping mine. :)

Joe
 
Free2game said:
I said that I didn't like it. Doesn't mean I can't say that people are buying into gimmick and hype still. It seems like people get really defensive about what they buy here. I think it's gimmicky and overdesigned. The forums are about discussion, not solely about just showing off what you bought. I'm just stating my opinion since it seemed interesting to me that so many people here were buying them.
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It's no more a gimmick than any other knife, and it's a poorly phrased definition. You seem to be highly defensive yourself, regarding a knife that you don't own, don't like, and probably don't want or can't buy. Again, this forum has a wealth of people with varying experiences in knife making, metallurgy, and engineering skills. Your position is dually noted, you don't like it. Coolbeans. Don't hate on those that do like it, use it, and can buy it.
 
I have some Spydies made in China, Taiwan and USA...
So far the Taiwan knives are my favourites...
Great materials, amazing fit and finish, never have to adjust the pivot...
 
RevDevil said:
It's no more a gimmick than any other knife, and it's a poorly phrased definition. You seem to be highly defensive yourself, regarding a knife that you don't own, don't like, and probably don't want or can't buy. Again, this forum has a wealth of people with varying experiences in knife making, metallurgy, and engineering skills. Your position is dually noted, you don't like it. Coolbeans. Don't hate on those that do like it, use it, and can buy it.
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Bingo.
 
RevDevil said:
It's no more a gimmick than any other knife, and it's a poorly phrased definition. You seem to be highly defensive yourself, regarding a knife that you don't own, don't like, and probably don't want or can't buy. Again, this forum has a wealth of people with varying experiences in knife making, metallurgy, and engineering skills. Your position is dually noted, you don't like it. Coolbeans. Don't hate on those that do like it, use it, and can buy it.
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It's gimmicky in my opinion. I said I was stating my opinion on it. Who cares how many experts. I'm just stating my own opinion. It's gimmicky to me, the ball bearings. It adds too many parts and complicates taking the knife apart. That's my opinion.
 
steveg30 said:
Why can't they be made in the USA ?
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Production is at max capacity at the Golden Co factory, they are producing their high end models in Taichung while they expand their Golden plant. Notice how many of the USA made spydercos are extremely hard to find (para2, yojimbo2, etc)? That's because the Golden plant can't keep up with demand at its current size. If all the good spyderco knives were USA made we'd never see any new models like the Southard, they just wouldn't have the time or production capacity to make them.
 
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Free2game said:
It's gimmicky in my opinion. I said I was stating my opinion on it. Who cares how many experts. I'm just stating my own opinion. It's gimmicky to me, the ball bearings. It adds too many parts and complicates taking the knife apart. That's my opinion.
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We know. Thanks
 
steveg30 said:
Why can't they be made in the USA ?
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Because Spyderco decided to put their factory in Colorado instead of around Portland. Spyderco's US facility must be slipping really bad. They don't have a high production capacity in their US factory. They've also had a lot of poor examples pop out which is uncharacteristic of them. IE those poorly finished Manix XLs that have popped up recently. They must be having some serious problems there lately and where they are it's hard to replace employees. Especially since it's not like Kershaw, Gerber, or Benchmade where there's a large pool of people with knife production experience in the area.
 
RevDevil said:
We know. Thanks
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Well if my opinion hadn't peaked your interest. You wouldn't have responded. I don't get why my opinion got so much attention. Not the content of what I said, no one really discussed the points I made. They just seemed to go into a defensive about how I shouldn't say what I said. It doesn't seem like there's a whole lot of discussion here as much as vitriol. It just seems odd how many people jumped on me for saying I didn't like aspects of it.
 
mkjellgren said:
Production is at max capacity at the Golden Co factory, they are producing their high end models in Taichung while they expand their Golden plant. Notice how many of the USA made spydercos are extremely hard to find (para2, yojimbo2, etc)? That's because the Golden plant can't keep up with demand at its current size. If all the good spyderco knives were USA made we'd never see any new models like the Southard, they just wouldn't have the time or production capacity to make them.
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It's a shame that too many US politicians have given up on supporting manufacturing in the US. There's something like half a million jobs at least in manufacturing in the US that aren't being filled because of the lack of skilled workers for them. Spyderco if they were able too would probably have all of their manufacturing in the US since the costs are getting lower, especially compared to Japan where the Yen has really hurt their prices. A good example of this is comparing a Native to a Delica in price. Even with the higher end powder metallurgy steel steel, and similar handles/construction the US made Native is less expensive. I'm sure the flat style saber grinding is a bit harder to do but not enough to offset the lower steel cost.
 
Free2game, you stated your opinion, in a forum with more than 1 opinion. You were given a few opinions as a reply. You persisted in restating your opinion, while attempting to provoke people. It's continuing there. Then you moved onto speculation about a manufacturers motives for what they do in their business. What are you hoping to accomplish with all of this exactly? You're stating things matter of factly, while generalizing. The horse is dead, you don't like it, everyone knows. What else do you have to contribute to the overall discussion? You seem to know an awful lot based on your opinion, yet you keep saying the same thing while hardly rephrasing.
 
Free2game said:
I don't have any problem with the Sebenza. It's a beautiful user knife and that has appropriate levels of workmanship put into it and part of the appeal is that workmanship level. I just don't care for the way the Southard looks and think it has gimmicky features like a probably overpriced. The Sebenza is the opposite. it doesn't have a new fad steel, and it's smoothness comes from it's fit and finish, not some kind of complicated ball bearing system.
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Uhm.. what?
Do you have any idea how COMPLEX it is to get high tolerances like a Sebenza? The engineering, and methodology needed to come up with this?
How long and how difficult it is come up with creative ways to put these processes into mass production? You need trained skilled hands not just novices.

I often wonder how much thought people put to their statements, but sheesh man you passed the line.
 
RevDevil said:
Free2game, you stated your opinion, in a forum with more than 1 opinion. You were given a few opinions as a reply. You persisted in restating your opinion, while attempting to provoke people. It's continuing there. Then you moved onto speculation about a manufacturers motives for what they do in their business. What are you hoping to accomplish with all of this exactly? You're stating things matter of factly, while generalizing. The horse is dead, you don't like it, everyone knows. What else do you have to contribute to the overall discussion? You seem to know an awful lot based on your opinion, yet you keep saying the same thing while hardly rephrasing.
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Speculating? Oh wow, sue me. I'm just taking a guess that Spyderco have had some manufactring problems based on their more limited output as of late. I'm just guessing what the problem is, I'm not claiming what I say is fact, just speculation. The only people who know are the ones who work at Spyderco or have directly heard from people at Spyderco. Even dealers aren't saying what's going on there. What else can we do other than not talk about it (where's the discussion in that?)? What am I generalizing exactly? The logical deductions you could make about how it would be easier to find new employees in a larger local labor pool or a sudden reduction in supply being effected by problems with manufacturing? I don't get why you're being hostile toward me discussing something in a forum about knife discussion. We're just all shooting the shit, you shouldn't take any of it that seriously. It's a message board, I wouldn't take nearly anything most people here say for fact, that goes to anyone reading my own posts. They don't know anything about me and I don't know much if anything about most of them. We're all just discussing things in an informal matter. Just let that be. You seemed to have escalated it insinuating that what I say doesn't matter by trying to discourage me from posting about the topic. You should encourage friendly discussion, not to try belittle what someone else says. I made a point to JDavis about how I didn't think his S35VN test was scientific, I was proven wrong when he mentioned he had gotten similar results with a large sample size. I was wrong about something and I admit that. Things were discussed, no feelings were hurt, and things were learned, the cycle of debate and discussion was completed. Encourage that, people arguing or being critical isn't something negative, it should be encouraged as long as it doesn't devolve into simple name calling, which none of this has come down to.
 
Because Spyderco decided to put their factory in Colorado instead of around Portland. Spyderco's US facility must be slipping really bad. They don't have a high production capacity in their US factory. They've also had a lot of poor examples pop out which is uncharacteristic of them. IE those poorly finished Manix XLs that have popped up recently. They must be having some serious problems there lately and where they are it's hard to replace employees. Especially since it's not like Kershaw, Gerber, or Benchmade where there's a large pool of people with knife production experience in the area.
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I'm just taking a guess that Spyderco have had some manufactring problems based on their more limited output as of late.
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Limited output? Where are you getting these things? They are putting more out from Golden than they ever had before. Not enough for Sal obviously as he is again expanding but still there's no call to just make stuff up pretending like you know.

You specialize in talking out of your A$$. What the hell, it's just a forum . All in good fun, eh? :rolleyes:
 
Luis G. said:
Uhm.. what?
Do you have any idea how COMPLEX it is to get high tolerances like a Sebenza? The engineering, and methodology needed to come up with this?
How long and how difficult it is come up with creative ways to put these processes into mass production? You need trained skilled hands not just novices.

I often wonder how much thought people put to their statements, but sheesh man you passed the line.
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Huh? I said the Sebenza is a high level fantastic looking knife with a high level of workmanship. We all saw that shop tour video of the Sebenza and know what goes into it. Because of the level of workmanship and the great customer service that CRK offers. It's really the only really good option for a high end carry knife imo. I'm not sure where I insulted that at.
 
The Mastiff said:
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Limited output? Where are you getting these things? They are putting more out from Golden than they ever had before. Not enough for Sal obviously as he is again expanding but still there's no call to just make stuff up pretending like you know.

You specialize in talking out of your A$$. What the hell, it's just a forum . All in good fun, eh? :rolleyes:
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Because you can't find a Paramilitary 2. That's the limited output. If they could meet demand, there would be no problem finding one. They haven't been commonly been able to find for at least the past 6 months online. I'm just stating fact. They can't keep production up to meet demand. It's also a fact that manufacturing jobs are hard to fill due to a lack of skilled workers. Like I said, if finding labor and capital to expand (not sure about that, if workforce weren't a problem they could probably find money to expand) then Spyderco would probably be making everything outside of their Byrd and PRC line of knives in the US. I hadn't done any name calling, you guys are the ones devolving the debate into simple insults.
 
Also I got a warning for what I've said here. Fuck this place. In before "HAHA DON'T LET THE DOOR KNOCK ON ON THE WAY OUT HAHAHAHAH" "AAAAAIIIDS"
 
Free2game said:
Huh? I said the Sebenza is a high level fantastic looking knife with a high level of workmanship. We all saw that shop tour video of the Sebenza and know what goes into it. Because of the level of workmanship and the great customer service that CRK offers. It's really the only really good option for a high end carry knife imo. I'm not sure where I insulted that at.
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As I said, the thought process is absent with you.

My point was that you called the Southard overloaded when in reality the Sebenza is actually the knife that is overloaded not with individual features but in manufacturing and finishing taken to extreme levels which offer no benefits in functionality or even a noticeable performance increase.

Ball bearings offers an efficient washer system.
Flipper offers an optimal energy transfer in opening the knife.
G10 stopper offers over travel stop.
CTS-204P for high edge retention: meaning you sharpen less and use more.
G10 handles provide more grip and weight reduction
 
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