Spyderco "made in Taiwan"

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It's not so much what you said, it's some of the language you're using in General.

Gotta watch that potty mouth.... ;)
 
Free2game said:
It's gimmicky in my opinion. I said I was stating my opinion on it. Who cares how many experts. I'm just stating my own opinion. It's gimmicky to me, the ball bearings. It adds too many parts and complicates taking the knife apart. That's my opinion.
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I took mine apart and it was just as easy as any other knife I have taken apart. The bearings are all contained in a nylon washer, and pop in just like bronze washers. It is not overly complicated. Have you taken one apart? Doubt it, you are just assuming it complicates things, when it does not. It really is smoother than any knife I have handled, and that is no gimmick. And that new steel blows CRK's heat treat of S30V away. All you have is it is ugly to you. Fair enough, but all your other points are a poor attempt to bash it, and are not based on facts or even first-hand experience.
 
Luis G. said:
As I said, the thought process is absent with you.

My point was that you called the Southard overloaded when in reality the Sebenza is actually the knife that is overloaded not with individual features but in manufacturing and finishing taken to extreme levels which offer no benefits in functionality or even a noticeable performance increase.

Ball bearings offers an efficient washer system.
Flipper offers an optimal energy transfer in opening the knife.
G10 stopper offers over travel stop.
CTS-204P for high edge retention: meaning you sharpen less and use more.
G10 handles provide more grip and weight reduction
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That would be nicer without in insult. Don't call me stupid just for disagreeing with you.
Ball bearings offers an efficient washer system.
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Not really. They add a lot to the cost of the knife when you can get more for your dollar in the way of better finishing and tolerances. Properly executed a knife with a proper washer system can be extremely smooth. My Hogue drops free when I depress the lock as does my Kershaw Blur. If that can be done in knives that cost much less with a much less exotic solution to the problem of pivot resistance, I don't see why you need some kind of bloated ball bearing system.
Flipper offers an optimal energy transfer in opening the knife.
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I don't like flippers, it doesn't add much to the cost, that's pure preference on my part, not anything to do with how I think the knife is overloaded in production.
G10 stopper offers over travel stop.
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I don't have much of a problem with that, but I think all of that stuff about locks getting overextended is a lot of nothing, didn't Chris Reeve himself say they don't get many knives back for that?
CTS-204P for high edge retention: meaning you sharpen less and use more.
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So does M390 or Elmax, which are probably cheaper to boot because they're more common. My gripe was more with the blade thickness, a thinner knife would perform better in cutting along with being cheaper, especially with a harder PM steel like any of those it would be extremely resistance to breakage anyway, along with as I said, cutting better and also being cheaper, I just don't get the point of the blade thickness on it.

10 handles provide more grip and weight reduction
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Nothing wrong with G10. if the none locking handle was solid G10 the knife would be lighter and less expensive to produce. Someone else thought I meant it would be better as a liner lock, I never said that.

Also as you noticed. I never called you any names or said you were stupid. I'd expect the same from the rest of of you but it seems if you disagree with anyone here you're considered marked.
 
Free2game was too high strung. He followed up his "warning" for language with a nasty email to me so he's gone.
 
Free2game said:
So does M390 or Elmax, which are probably cheaper to boot because they're more common. My gripe was more with the blade thickness, a thinner knife would perform better in cutting along with being cheaper, especially with a harder PM steel like any of those it would be extremely resistance to breakage anyway, along with as I said, cutting better and also being cheaper, I just don't get the point of the blade thickness on it.
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I know he is gone, but wanted to clear up more of his assumptions. CTS-204P and M390 are the same steels produced by two different companies. CTS is an American company, and M390 produced by Bohler is an Austrian company. If you were going to make any educated guess on the price of that steel, I would guess 204P is cheaper simply by looking at the price of the green PM2 with 204P and the blue PM2 with M390. The M390 costs at least $40 more. I know the price is set by the distributor, but the 204P is only $5 more than the sprint in S35VN.
 
Is this about quality or supporting our country any way we can WHEN WE CAN... some things are impossible to avoid, but when buying knives, we can easily decide if we want our money to go overseas or mostly stay here. I hear all these complaints about lack of work and then those people go and buy products from overseas, cheapest they can get. Just like Walmart. Either you care or you don't. Just don't bitch about your crappy job or lack of job and then go supporting the other guys... Buy overseas, give away an American's job. Your choice! Your future.. gl! I'm golden :)

And just to clarify, I make it a point to buy close to home.. Just like a vote, your dollar matters... maybe even more...
 
This thread went downhill fast......

Anyway, I think Spyderco getting knives built over in Taiwan is fine because the quality control is held to a very high level so IMO it doesn't really matter what Country they are made in.
 
Well you certainly made it political didn't you.....no more of this. You know the correct place for posts like this.


sloth357 said:
Is this about quality or supporting our country any way we can WHEN WE CAN... some things are impossible to avoid, but when buying knives, we can easily decide if we want our money to go overseas or mostly stay here. I hear all these complaints about lack of work and then those people go and buy products from overseas, cheapest they can get. Just like Walmart. Either you care or you don't. Just don't bitch about your crappy job or lack of job and then go supporting the other guys... Buy overseas, give away an American's job. Your choice! Your future.. gl! I'm golden :)

And just to clarify, I make it a point to buy close to home.. Just like a vote, your dollar matters... maybe even more...
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All we have to do now is talk about Religion and we would have it all in this thread..... LOL :eek:
 
The reality is, there is good and bad products from every country, not just Taiwan, or China, or US. There are junk that comes out of Taiwan as well, but if you believe in the company then they will probably not let you down on fit and finish. The next thing to look at is the materials used in construction. I'm very spoiled by high end steel, and chances are, they dont come from Taiwan.
 
qqfob said:
The reality is, there is good and bad products from every country, not just Taiwan, or China, or US. There are junk that comes out of Taiwan as well, but if you believe in the company then they will probably not let you down on fit and finish. The next thing to look at is the materials used in construction. I'm very spoiled by high end steel, and chances are, they dont come from Taiwan.
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The parent Companies set the level of quality for the end products NOT the manufacturer.
 
Ahhh, all now becomes clear. Thanks.

Free2game said:
Because Spyderco decided to put their factory in Colorado instead of around Portland. Spyderco's US facility must be slipping really bad. They don't have a high production capacity in their US factory. They've also had a lot of poor examples pop out which is uncharacteristic of them. IE those poorly finished Manix XLs that have popped up recently. They must be having some serious problems there lately and where they are it's hard to replace employees. Especially since it's not like Kershaw, Gerber, or Benchmade where there's a large pool of people with knife production experience in the area.
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