spyderco millie vs. emerson CQC-7

Herr_Noobien said:
To be honest, I'm on the fence about picking up an Emerson myself.Hate to hijack the thread but, How does the CQC-8 compare to the military?
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Do you want to slice or stab? Does tip-strength matter to you? What is the maximum blade length you can and want to carry? Does the "wave" feature appeal to you? Do you care about what sort of edge grind the knife you get will have? Do you prefer 154CM over the possibility of having the option of S30V and other steels to chose from? Do you know how to sharpen on a bench stone/free-hand, or do you use a Sharpmaker/V-stick style sharpener? Your answer to all those questions will determine which knife might be more suited to you, as it's an 'apples/oranges' thing where the knives themselves are concerned.
 
My BM tanto stryker still locks up solid even after countless flickings. If memory serves, the stryker was created from an older design (BM CQC7 - when Ernie still worked with Benchmade), then how come the Stryker has better lock than the new Emerson CQC7 (not thicker, but locks up more solidly)?

Does waving a knife open really put that much pressure against the lock ? If so, then why not change it into lockback ? I always wave open my Endura, but the lock is the same as when I bought it a couple of years ago.

I apologize sincerely if this is going into flame war, but my intentional is purely educational.
 
late 96 early 97 i had the same choice to make (was just getting to the fleet marine corps)
ended up with an SE ats34 millie it made it all 4 years of grunt work getting beat on

i now have 3 millies so i guess you know how i feel
 
beluga said:
My BM tanto stryker still locks up solid even after countless flickings. If memory serves, the stryker was created from an older design (BM CQC7 - when Ernie still worked with Benchmade), then how come the Stryker has better lock than the new Emerson CQC7 (not thicker, but locks up more solidly)?
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The Stryker was an Elishewitz design that Benchmade took over. Many say it was created to fill the void left by the 970 when Emerson left Benchmade. Emerson had nothing to do with the Stryker.

As far as why the lock-up is better on your BM Stryker than on your EKI CQC-7, I believe it has to do with the geometry involved. Benchmade uses what the call their "modified locking liner," which gives a concave radius to the blade tang where it meets the liner-lock face. My Benchmade 970's and 975's (CQC-7's) have always worn less than any EKI model I've had, and those knives were made prior to Benchmade using their concave radius blade tangs, so I don't know the reason.

Blop said:
The Stryker is an Elishewitz - design. Isn´t it?
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Indeed it is!:thumbup:
 
3Guardsmen said:
Do you want to slice or stab?
Both.
Does tip-strength matter to you?
Not really. As long as it doesn't break when I look at it
What is the maximum blade length you can and want to carry?
I have no problems edcing big knives (I used to edc a wenger rangergrip 79!
Does the "wave" feature appeal to you?
hmmm I have a waved endura and it's pretty fun, but I can live without it
Do you care about what sort of edge grind the knife you get will have?
Not a fan of chisel grinds but I can live with them
Do you prefer 154CM over the possibility of having the option of S30V and other steels to chose from?
I would prefer s30v...154cm is alright though (I prefer vg-10 to be honest)
Do you know how to sharpen on a bench stone/free-hand, or do you use a Sharpmaker/V-stick style sharpener?
Sharpmaker
Your answer to all those questions will determine which knife might be more suited to you, as it's an 'apples/oranges' thing where the knives themselves are concerned.
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I don't plan on using either knife for anything other than edc chores, but I think it's cool to have a folder that is suited for SD purposes. I don't carry knives for SD, so these will be safe queens or will just be used around the house.
 
You can live without the wave, not a fan of chisel grind, and you prefer s30v. Get the Military.
 
This has been said, but get one of each. You will know which folder will then ride in your pocket.
 
mongomondo said:
You can live without the wave, not a fan of chisel grind, and you prefer s30v. Get the Military.
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I should have said this before, but I already own a military. What I should have said was, am I missing out on anything if I don't get the CQC-8? I'm just a jobless uni student so I have to be careful how I buy my knives. I don't want to buy a knife and then realize that I have pretty gotten what that knife has to offer on a different knife, if that makes any sense.
 
beluga said:
My BM tanto stryker still locks up solid even after countless flickings. If memory serves, the stryker was created from an older design (BM CQC7 - when Ernie still worked with Benchmade), then how come the Stryker has better lock than the new Emerson CQC7 (not thicker, but locks up more solidly)?

Does waving a knife open really put that much pressure against the lock ? If so, then why not change it into lockback ? I always wave open my Endura, but the lock is the same as when I bought it a couple of years ago.

I apologize sincerely if this is going into flame war, but my intentional is purely educational.
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while ernie designed the 970 series for BM he had nothing at all to do with the stryker, and i dont know that a BM LL is any better than a EKI LL, you cant judge them just from one knife, FWIW i have had liner issues with a couple of BM's, so they can wear too, in fact until a couple of years ago the only emerson design i ever had LL problems with was a BM 975.

yes waving is hard on them, & inertia'ing them too, if they change to anything they should change to a frame lock, i dont like lock backs myself,
 
Ah I see. Everytime I look at the stryker, I always think about the old BM CQC7. Perhaps that's one of the reasons why I keep remembering that the stryker is the CQC7 replacement. The old CQC7 is a very fine folder. I gave it to my girlfriend, and when we broke up, she did not give it back to me. Dang ! :(
 
some of them will do that darn there hides lol.

i loaned one of my ex's $250 and she "forgot" to pay me back lol,
 
Herr_Noobien said:
I should have said this before, but I already own a military. What I should have said was, am I missing out on anything if I don't get the CQC-8? I'm just a jobless uni student so I have to be careful how I buy my knives. I don't want to buy a knife and then realize that I have pretty gotten what that knife has to offer on a different knife, if that makes any sense.
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I'd say the advantages of the cqc8 over the Military is that it has thicker blade stock and the wave makes it a faster opener. If you're planning on killing dudes then I can see those as big advantages, but for everyday use I think the Military is better in every way including slicing ability, edge retention, lighter weight, etc.

The cqc8 is no doubt a great knife, but the Military is just greater and it's much cheaper to boot
 
I have both knives

I would go with the millie, but for edc purposes there are many better knives out there.

millie

-better steel
-easy to sharpen
-better blade design for edc task
-easy to deploy with gloves on
-very comfortable to grip.

cqc-7
-easier to conceal because of shape and size
-wave feature fastest way to open up a knife imo, downside it eats up your pants pockets and can open up if you forget its there.
-154 cm good steel but too brittle tends to chip.
-if wave fails to open knife during deployment thumb disc is difficult to open with gloves on.
- difficult to sharpen because of tanto shape
- tanto shape less ideal for edc task.
 
I have both knives. I'm wearing an Emerson Commander at the moment. I'm not planning on "killing dudes," but I am living in a combat zone, and it is a primary consideration of that knife.

I've got several other Emersons here, and a CQC-7 goes with me each time I fly, as does a CQC-13. I carry a backup Commander.

I just recently bought a used Military online, and it was shipped to me here. I can't say enough good about it. I really like Emerson products and they've followed me all over the globe many times over. I've carried them and used them on every continent but Antarctica. My Emersons work hard and I trust them with my life. I'm very impressed with the Spyderco, however, and it's going to be a constant companion, too.

The Spyderco Military is every bit of what I expect out of a Spyderco. Some very thoughtful aspects of it's design really appeal; it's just a well made, great knife. It's in my pocket right now, as is a Scorpius.

If you can avoid the counterfeits, you can get a good deal on an Emerson on Ebay, sometimes. Get one.

I'm not a big fan of the CQC-7, though I own several. I reall like the Commander, and I like the CQC-15. Great knife. If size is an issue, one of the best pocket knives I ever had was the mini-commander. I lost it not long ago, and it had been everywhere. Literally. It was a well beaten, well worn knife, and locked up solidly, sharpened to a dangerous edge, and was as trusted as any knife I own. It was replaced, after being lost, by the Commander I'm wearing right now.

Other said it, I will too...get both knives. I very much doubt you'll find disappointment with either one.
 
For the kind of work you contemplate, I think that the sturdy Spyderco Manix 2 will largely suffice, and it's pretty cheap. The fact that it's a shorter blade than the (awesome) Millie also seems preferable in your environment.
 
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