Spyderco "mislead" about price increases!!!

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  1. Quiet

    Quiet "That guy" Platinum Member

    Oct 11, 2013
    This knife is worth more than everything Ganzo has ever made in pretty much every conceivable way.

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    Spyderco is a superior company who makes a superior product over Ganzo in every conceivable metric, and frankly their product catalog is endlessly more in depth than Ontario's as well. Also, I haven't seen it mentioned, but I find it hilarious that the OP is talking trash about the Spyderco Tenacious, a knife which is part of a line made in China specifically so those with lesser budgets can still own a Spyderco, with a Spyderco's design language and features. Spyderco doesn't have to make their budget line at all. They sell all the knives they make from their Golden and Taichung products. Sal has stated he wanted to be able to offer knives to those with smaller budgets. That's pretty awesome, all things considered. Plenty of companies who are basically off the stance that if you can't afford their products, move it along pal, you're stinking up the place.

    Chronovore, want a better steel in your Spyderco product? Get out your wallet, and buy one of the Golden/Taichung knives. Or hey, maybe you could just buy one of the Ganzo clones. Of course, I'm guessing you already have.
     
  2. goldie

    goldie

    Feb 18, 2000
    Im glad this thread started,i wound up searching and getting a Knifejoy Damascus Endura,and with the points i had in credits got it for 49.00 about the price of the tenacious.....
     
  3. Twindog

    Twindog Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 6, 2004
    That knife is a bad example of what Spyderco does -- which is mostly pretty good.

    The edge on that knife is absurd -- cannot be sharpened without leaving an ugly gash in the blade. It's pure art, which is fine, but knife art should also be highly functional.

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  4. sharp_edge

    sharp_edge Gold Member Gold Member

    Jul 30, 2015
    Yep - I owned one and sold it not long after. The fit and finish is great. The CF scales are beautiful. The flipping action is just so so. But what killed me was what you said - that unsharpened portion of the blade, which to this day I still don't understand why. I remember Charlie Mike modified that part by adding a finger choil.
     
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  5. fishface5

    fishface5 Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 3, 2001
    Spyderco follows the design of the designers. That's the way Brend designed the blade. Why? Who knows.

    To the OP: to assert that Sal lies you should first provide a direct quote of the statement that you say is a lie, and then research and provide the actual manufacturing cost of the knife over time. Without that, you have a question not a statement. And because Sal's good character is so well known by many forumites, anything less in support of such a rancid accusation against him is of course met with anger. You besmirch a good man without actual evidence.
     
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  6. Steely_Gunz

    Steely_Gunz Got the Khukuri fevah Moderator

    May 9, 2002
    I would just hand sharpen it like I do every other knife I own:confused:

    Use the stone, follow the grind, voila.

    I'm all stupid fingered when it comes to using sharpening systems. Gimme a stone, a ceramic stick, and a loaded strop, please.
     
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  7. Twindog

    Twindog Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 6, 2004
    Yes, I did the same thing -- actually, Josh ground a finger choil into the blade.

    Here's the original:
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    Here's the added choil, which cut out the thick, 180-degree (inclusive, LOL) part of the edge. You can see that even with the large choil, I still had to grind up into the blade to get the edge even:
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  8. Twindog

    Twindog Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 6, 2004
    Wouldn't work. You'd have to sharpen half way up the heel of the blade. It would look awful. There would be no grind to follow.
     
  9. Quiet

    Quiet "That guy" Platinum Member

    Oct 11, 2013
    Actually, I would argue that it's actually an example of what they do very well: turn the designs of highly respected makers into attainable reality. I could have simply posted one of my Delicas, or other designs that many folks could have posted here instead, but wanted to showcase that which Ganzo couldn't hope to achieve, working with industry titans like Walter Brend. Keeping in theme with Ontario having been mentioned, they've also worked with greats like Dozier, but those knives are inexpensive and look and feel like it.

    Also, I would disagree with your assertion that knife art should be highly functional entirely. :)
     
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  10. The Whip

    The Whip

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    Jan 28, 2007
    Yeah, I have a whole bunch, too. But almost all of them were purchased more than ten years ago, for the very reason that you suggest.


    That's not true. All of Spyderco's authorized dealers received the same dealer pricing. And that "Special Price" term was used throughout the catalog. The $99 price wasn't even the lowest offered. If you purchased two or more of the Military models, you got them for $95 apiece. Since no such volume discount exists today, that actually makes the price increase 102%. But I didn't bother mentioning that in my first post because I was trying to make a point, not stretch one.

    Besides, Cutlery Shoppe remains an authorized (and favored) Spyderco dealer, so any "bonus buys" should still be reflected in current pricing. It's a legitimate comparison.


    This is getting way off topic, but since the conversation's course has turned that direction, I'll chime in. I agree with those assessing Spyderco's following on these boards as cult-like. It's certainly not unique to Spyderco, but the company and its owner definitely are at the top of the Blade Forums Worship Roster. Just look at some of the language used.


    As a major fan of other brands and a lesser fan (but certainly still an avid, longtime supporter) of Spyderco, it's often off-putting to watch. Spyderco is justified by lots of guys here for doing things that would bring cries of outrage from those same members if they were done by other companies. I think the double standards help to inspire threads like this one.


    -Steve
     
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  11. Quiet

    Quiet "That guy" Platinum Member

    Oct 11, 2013
    Your attempted insinuation that there must be something wrong with having tremendous respect for a guy who created a company who does their best to treat their customers well while making a fantastic product says an awful lot more about you than it does any of us. Offputting is one way to describe it.
     
  12. The Whip

    The Whip

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    Jan 28, 2007
    That would be off-putting...if it was what I said. But since that isn't what I said or implied, I'll let my original statement speak for itself.

    -Steve
     
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  13. Aryan29

    Aryan29

    May 20, 2018
    I have 28 reasons to love my Spydercos, which I EDC and post pics in BF regularly.

    Don’t like to hear any slander against Spyderco.

    Many Thanks.
    Aryan
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  14. Quiet

    Quiet "That guy" Platinum Member

    Oct 11, 2013
    Odd that you'd attempt to deny it, although with past comments you've made in other threads, I am unsurprised.

    Unless of course you meant "cult-like" when quoting my comment as a compliment? So, it IS what you implied. Anything else to add?
     
  15. JokersFaceLifter

    JokersFaceLifter

    267
    Jan 6, 2016
    Ganzo abandoned his own thread because of his unfounded claims about Sal lying is both unsubstantiated and laced with personal feelz, and he knows it --- it was a triggered tantrum, thats all, we all know Sal/Spyderco is not trying to swindle their customers
     
  16. Insipid Moniker

    Insipid Moniker Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 28, 2011
    Interesting that all of your examples are about the founder of the company, someone that's personally active on the forums and many of us have interacted with personally and extensively, rather than the company itself. Maybe it's just an accident that you've decided to conflate admiration for one with worship of the other, but it certainly comes across as an intellectually dishonest attempt to cast those that have expressed admiration for Mr. Glesser in a negative light.
     
  17. BTGuy

    BTGuy Gold Member Gold Member

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    Jul 5, 2016
    @Ganzofan Am I correct in understanding that you're simply asking that Spyderco admit they could charge less for their products? I would happily agree that anything I would like to buy should certainly be cheaper, but many times the costs are not representative of a companies single product (materials, labor, etc.). With Spyderco, I see a company continually pushing their development and production quality. They invest in research and try new things. That costs money which comes from their profits on sales of their product. If they simply wanted to continue making existing products at the cheapest price I'm sure they could manage to bring prices down considerably on some of their knives. From what I've seen from Spyderco in the products I've purchased from them over the last few years they are doing very well by their customers given the prices they charge and I look forward to the things they'll do in the future.

    I wouldn't say I'm the biggest fan of Spyderco's knives. They do make a few I really like though. :)
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  18. Danke42

    Danke42

    Feb 10, 2015
    Well I think it's a great example of what Spyderco does. They partner up with designers who's own knives verge on unobtainable and they let that designer reach more people and most importantly they pay that designer royalties for their work.

    I find that I don't have to "like" every knife they make for me to like their work. That knife isn't for me because it looks like it escaped from an episode of Star Trek. But I'm sure that for other folks they love the look.
     
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  19. Danke42

    Danke42

    Feb 10, 2015
    As for "cults of personality" in the world of knives it's fine if you don't like someone.

    If your frustration with Spyderco comes Sal's Mr Rodgers like kindness I predict a rocky road ahead.

    And if that frustration turns to lies, slander and character assassination then all bets are off and no quarter given.
     
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  20. Eli Chaps

    Eli Chaps Gold Member Gold Member Basic Member

    Apr 20, 2018
    Hey there Steve. If you're going to quote me and try to use that snippet to paint the narrative you seek, you're doing me, you and the entire discussion a disservice at best. See, ya left out the parts in that same post where I said,

    And also in that same post where I said,

    See Steve, I never said that Sal and Spyderco are above reproach. Quite the opposite in fact. And I feel like I addressed what you perceive as a double-standard pretty well. It isn't a double standard Steve, when one person and company conduct themselves at a higher standard than other companies.
     
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