spyderco paramilitary 2 outdoor lock test

That's some failure!

Better send it on the long trip back to the SFO. Not safe to use a knife like that.

Were the strikes very hard? It doesn't look that way to me. I agree with those that say a knife should be used edge side first, but then we'd all be happy with Slipits...locks like the Complock exist to protect our fingers in case of emergency (simulated emergency, in this case.)

Def. not normal.
 
For sure just your knife I'd say. I went out and did pretty much as accurately as I could everything you did with yours and mine didn't begin to fail whacks like yours or even many much harder and varied ones. Send it in. They'll get you a good one. :thumbup:

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humveer said:
I'm surprised that no one else noticed this: Watch the end of the video again. Before hitting the spine of the knife on the limb, he hits the knife on the opposite side, right where the liner lock is disengaged.

Why? So the liner be loosened up just a little, enough to cause the lock to fail after taking a several whacks on the spine.

This video proves nothing, other than the fact that yes, it is possible to disengage a liner lock without using your hands.

To call it a fail is an overstatement. This could be repeated with just about any liner lock.
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Really? :rolleyes:

It's not a Liner lock to start with..... It's a compression lock.

And from my testing none of the liner locks have failed and I hit them a lot harder than he did and more on over strikes and spine whacks.

Knowing what you are talking about before you post would help. ;)
 
humveer said:
I'm surprised that no one else noticed this: Watch the end of the video again. Before hitting the spine of the knife on the limb, he hits the knife on the opposite side, right where the liner lock is disengaged.

Why? So the liner be loosened up just a little, enough to cause the lock to fail after taking a several whacks on the spine.

This video proves nothing, other than the fact that yes, it is possible to disengage a liner lock without using your hands.

To call it a fail is an overstatement. This could be repeated with just about any liner lock.
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First of all, the "hitting the knife on the opposite side" that you're talking about is an "overstrike." It's a different test.

And secondly, as I'm sure you've been made aware, it's not a liner lock, my friend
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tomcrx said:
Look at the video at 0:43 or 0:44. The compression lock looks almost fully disengaged.
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You can't tell from the video if it was or not.

Secondly if it was that bad it would have failed the 1st tap and it wouldn't have been that loud.

It failed, it's not that big a deal.... The world's not going to end etc. ;)

The OP needs to contact Spyderco and get them to look at it etc.
 
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Ankerson said:
You can't tell from the video if it was or not.

Secondly if it was that bad it would have failed the 1st tap and it wouldn't have been that loud.

It failed, it's not that big a deal.... The world's not going to end etc. ;)

The OP needs to contact Spyderco and get them to look at it etc.
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Not necessarily. I don't have a vested interest in it. It just seems that people love to post a 2 minute video of failure and then do not give detailed explanations or close-ups. People used to jump all over Noss and Cliff Stamp for destructive and failure testing. At least they gave pictures and details of the knives in question and the failures.

Knives fail, lemons happen. The current trend is bothersome because of the lack of details. It seems more like voyeurism then testing
 
tomcrx said:
It just seems that people love to post a 2 minute video of failure and then do not give detailed explanations or close-ups. People used to jump all over Noss and Cliff Stamp for destructive and failure testing. At least they gave pictures and details of the knives in question and the failures.
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I have a problem with this, too. Like I said, the guy in the video shows the lock failing and quickly puts it away and turns off the camera. What's that all about?
 
tomcrx said:
Not necessarily. I don't have a vested interest in it. It just seems that people love to post a 2 minute video of failure and then do not give detailed explanations or close-ups. People used to jump all over Noss and Cliff Stamp for destructive and failure testing. At least they gave pictures and details of the knives in question and the failures.

Knives fail, lemons happen. The current trend is bothersome because of the lack of details. It seems more like voyeurism then testing
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I don't think so really.

I do think the knife had a problem though.

It's something for Spyderco to deal with if the OP contacts them and sends in the knife etc.

THG said:
I have a problem with this, too. Like I said, the guy in the video shows the lock failing and quickly puts it away and turns off the camera. What's that all about?
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More than likely nothing. ;)
 
Well, once the failure is demonstrated he's got nothing else to show, right? Might's well save on batt.
 
THG said:
I have a problem with this, too. Like I said, the guy in the video shows the lock failing and quickly puts it away and turns off the camera. What's that all about?
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I'm sure he felt bad after his new knife failed.
 
tomcrx said:
Not necessarily. I don't have a vested interest in it. It just seems that people love to post a 2 minute video of failure and then do not give detailed explanations or close-ups. People used to jump all over Noss and Cliff Stamp for destructive and failure testing. At least they gave pictures and details of the knives in question and the failures.

Knives fail, lemons happen. The current trend is bothersome because of the lack of details. It seems more like voyeurism then testing.
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I agree, I don't think there's much value in a 2-minute video without close-ups from an anonymous tester.
 
shoot, I hate it when things like this happen. Especially when it happens to my favorite lock.

We need more large heavy duty slippies.
 
Mine seems fine, tried it and it doesn't budge.

Apart from that I don't why there is seems to be a trend for overstriking. Doesn't seem like a likely problem in actual use..

Sverre
 
It would be nice for Spyderco to chime in, IMO. If Spyderco is redesigning the ball lock due to failure in a spine whack scenario, they may be interested in looking into this?
 
If you look at the video, it sure looks like the last thing that happened before the spine wacks was the knife was hit near the lock mechanism, not the blade. Then the knife was turned around and repeatedly wacked on the spine.
It looks as if the knife passed the first test - the first spine wack.
It passed the second test, but failed on the third.
I had a slippie close on me when the sharp part of the blade was caught in some wood, years ago. I don't care for cuts in my finger. Since then, I have generally used locking blades to prevent the possibility of this happening. A better method of preventing this was to use a fixed blade for working wood.
The knife in question in the video would have prevented this accident.
It does look like you can make the lock "fail" if you repeatedly hit the blade on the spine, but why would anyone do this even once, let alone repeatedly ? I'd want to know if the lock would hold if the blade were trapped in wood or something else and I tried to pull the knife away. This would not induce vibration that could cause the lock to release the blade from the open position.
 
arty said:
If you look at the video, it sure looks like the last thing that happened before the spine wacks was the knife was hit near the lock mechanism, not the blade. Then the knife was turned around and repeatedly wacked on the spine.
It looks as if the knife passed the first test - the first spine wack.
It passed the second test, but failed on the third.
I had a slippie close on me when the sharp part of the blade was caught in some wood, years ago. I don't care for cuts in my finger. Since then, I have generally used locking blades to prevent the possibility of this happening. A better method of preventing this was to use a fixed blade for working wood.
The knife in question in the video would have prevented this accident.
It does look like you can make the lock "fail" if you repeatedly hit the blade on the spine, but why would anyone do this even once, let alone repeatedly ? I'd want to know if the lock would hold if the blade were trapped in wood or something else and I tried to pull the knife away. This would not induce vibration that could cause the lock to release the blade from the open position.
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Well said my friend. :thumbup:
 
Getting pretty darn close to his leg with some of them cuts. That would be an interesting video:o:D
 
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