Spyderco Police 3 - fake from EBAY "faeithed"

[sloth357]

NOT FOR SALE due to being a fake Spyderco Police 3 in black G10 and VG-10 steel.

HELP GET THIS GUY/GIRL busted.

 

[sloth357]

I'm putting this on HOLD for now as I am now unsure if this is a real Spyderco or not.

I haven't purchased a Spyderco since the 90s. I own ONE Spyderco, my 90s Police original in stainless steel I purchase from an authorized brick and motar store. So my knowledge of Spydies is basically zero.

SO, until I know what the hell this really is, I'd rather not take the current offers or sell.

Please post info here, thanks.

 

[sloth357]

This was purchased on Ebay on a whim to check out a Police model again after many years... My purchase price is what my posting asking is, wasn't looking to make $, never do on this site as many of you know my prices are very low and I mostly take losses.

That being said

EBAY user faeithed only has 115 feedback, prolly uses different accounts. But for now it is "faeithed"

Nicole Wright
1013 Colony Place
Metairie, La 70003

I've already contacted Ebay fraud and contacted the seller. Tomorrow I will be calling the Local "Jefferson Parish Police Department" and I'd like some to contact Spyderco for me or give me a good contact number for fraud knives at Spyderco.

I'm not a Spydie guy, of all productions, I know Benchmade and own over 20 of their knives currently.

Thanks for the heads up before this got sold as I've had some offers already...

 

[rycen]

It is indeed a fake.

Moved to Spyderco

 

[TravisH]

1013 Colony Place
Metairie, La 70003

Holy Sheeet! I used to live in Metairie and know where that street is!

I've already contacted Ebay fraud and contacted the seller. Tomorrow I ...

... should contact Spyderco Customer Service.

 

[sloth357]

I have already received a message from "faeithed" stating my refund is on it's way as well as a shipping label. I don't feel they should even get the knife back to just sell it again. I hope Ebay pulls this person's account.

I am still going to push EBAY and contact the Metairie local police.

What should I do in addition or ???

Do I send the knife back and let Ebay deal with it? They obviously are buying these knives off that aliexpress (someone pointed me to the site to double check) and then re-selling them on ebay from an American address, that is illegal.

 

[sloth357]

From "faeithed"

Hey there,
I purchased these within the U.S. at an overstock auction along with some Spyderco Civilians which had a minor cosmetic manufacturer defect. The auction had been verified as legitimate through the auction house and, if you will notice, I have a history of very good feedback for these. I have bought many knives through them without issue. I am not a knife-person myself and have taken the verification process at the auction house at its word. I do back them 100% and will gladly refund you if you are unhappy with the product. There's no need for threats. I am happy to refund your money. As I have said, I haven't had any issues and the majority of my customers are completely happy with the products they receive. They are all out of the same batch and frankly, I only have one left to sell anyways. If you aren't completely happy with your purchase, though -- that's no problem what-so-ever. I will refund your purchase and the cost of shipping. I trust that you'll get it back to me at your earliest convenience. I am sorry for the trouble this has caused you. Take care,
Faeith (Nicole Wright)


My "threat" was that I am contacting Ebay fraud and their local police.

 

[BBKoenigsegg]

I'm not too sure about this situation to be honest. The persons story seems legitimate, because if you go back in her past dealings, the Spydies don't make up that many of her sales (therefore her saying that she bought a whole bunch from an auction house would make sense to me). Also, you should definitely send the knife back if she refunded you without a hassle. That's part of the eBay policy, which is the same policy that guaranteed you a refund. If you truly want to take this further (which I think you'd be jumping the gun but if you really want to), send it back and then contact the police like you planned on doing.

 

[stonproject]

Under no circumstance should you send them the knife back. its evidence in a fraud case. You should do as others have mentioned though...

Contact spyderco and tell them you mistakenly bought the fake knife. put the ball in their court. they would probably love to see a counterfeit seller brought down as much, if not more than the rest of us. In her email, she admitted to selling numbers of these...

Also contact her local police and let them know she sold you a counterfeit item even though they probably wont give a shit.

This is really lame man im sorry. hopefully spyderco will take care of you, and hey, who knows... maybe theyll feel for you and send you a new knife at no charge. wouldnt be a loss for a company as huge as spyderco, and itd be messed up if Sal told you "tough titties pal".

Best of luck. btw, how can you tell its a fake?

 

[sloth357]

First off, I HATE THE NEW REPLY METHOD.

Second, BB, your comment: "...the Spydies don't make up that many of her sales (therefore her saying that she bought a whole bunch from an auction house would make sense to me)...", makes no sense to me.. Spydies don't make up much of her sales, yet she bought a whole bunch.. and that makes sense to you???

Third... the refund is in my Paypal now, but not for me to re-ship... Ebay states in a message to me: "Send the item back by Feb 05, 2015, to claim your refund."

And lastly... seems I HAVE to send it back for Ebay to back the refund on this purchase. I don't know the legality of a fraud case, so the comment about sending it back won't help a fraud case out kind of makes this a bit complex.. If I DONT send it back, no refund from Ebay? And push this further and take the loss? OR Send it back and let Ebay (hah) deal with it and the contact Spyderco as a nice gesture?

This is why I don't buy knives off Ebay... this one was on a whim.. I've had a few fake CDs purchased from EBay too.. meh, they really need to work on fraud incidents and Chinese sellers.



EDIT: fake due to pivot, etched not engraved, and one of the frame screws is in the wrong spot.. <<< someone told me about the etching and pivot, I noticed the screw, and also I noticed the grind is sloppy near the thumb hole.

 

[TravisH]

btw, how can you tell its a fake?

First, the box label is obviously fake - it's not printed correctly and I believe that's the wrong UPC code.


IIRC, awhile back someone posting about a fake they got and Spyderco wanted the knife shipped to them.

 

[OnceBitten]

I can't believe anyone would buy one of those........the blade is an abomination. I'm guessing that the price was a "deal"....."too good to be true", even.

We know that eBay is a haven for counterfeit crap.

It helps to use Google images to help verify the authenticity.....even then, some of the clones are getting hard to distinguish from bona fide product.


Does this knife look like the one in the original listing or was it a Bait & Switch?

 

[sloth357]

I thought the blade was resharpened, and then when it arrived it looked like a horrible grind. But wasn't sure as I haven't seen a Spyderco other than mine... seriously, none of my friends own one either.. As soon as a member contacted me about it being fake I removed the for sale. I wasn't trying to pass it off, just clueless :/

So I called EBAY and spoke to a real person! They said to go to my police dept. and give them the knife and have them write it up as a fraud blah blah blah. That I should NOT send it back to the Seller even though the auto message said I need to. I should also leave negative feedback.

Oh and I did look at images on google but couldn't really see the differences. I thought, the clip looked big, but no clue if that is a sure tell. The price wasn't that great, as I mentioned in my ad. It sure as hell wasn't $19.99. The seller is selling at $115. I got it for just a tad less and was going to sell it for a barely a $7 profit after shipping and fees.

So... I hate "doing what I've been told" by Ebay, but I think that is what I'm going to have to do... almost doesn't seem worth it, but maybe it will do some good.

At least the people on this site know what is going on, and I will get my money back. Spyderco needs to do their own Ebay watching and take care of business if they care to protect buyers, or not.

 

[sloth357]

Just IN FROM "FAEITHED":

"I've already submitted paperwork to eBay for a prior issue. If you need to complain to them, please do. I have no problem submitting the paperwork to them again. That's how my knives are still up after selling over 200 with only 2 complaints. I think you are mistaken with your assumption that they are fake. I didn't know what an Aliexpress is (I had to google it). I use an auction house in New Orleans - at a physical location. I don't buy crap product off the internet. As to paperwork, they did not come with any. They did not come with the pouch either. I am told that is because they are overstock or, as with the Civilians, because there was an error in manufacturing. Regardless, you have your refund. You said you are sending my knife back. You were sent a label. I, again, am sorry you aren't happy with the purchase, but I don't see what else I could have done on my end. You were refunded. I was told they are real. I trust my auction house."


bull sH1T.

 

[David From NC]

The biggest question we need answered at this point, is:

Is Faeith (Nicole) hot???

I would be royally p****d off if it were me, admittedly, but her story could be true(?) I could see buying them in a lot if she was not a big knife eBayer. I'd still be perturbed though and demand that it be made right.

I know this is a bummer and a hard pill to swallow for most but I am a lieutenant with a sheriff's office and most local LE probably wouldn't even make a police report on this. If it did get their attention, which isn't likely, it would be ruled a civil matter (for private prosecution/civil redress/lawsuit). Our Secretary of State has a unit that investigates trademark/counterfeit/intellectual property, but as sad to say as it is, it's not often a clear cut criminal case. Our investigators carry 80-120 major (felony) cases each and can't possibly keep up with all of them, so counterfeit goods on eBay wouldn't even occur on their RADAR.

I'm thinking that even Sal and other knife company owners (Jeff Randall maybe) have said they don't like them (counterfeiters) but admit they are hard to catch and prosecute...and if you do take one down TWO replace them... Not saying they approve by any means but it's hard to stay on top of.

EDITED TO ADD: Now that I read the last reply, I am more doubting though...

 

[sloth357]

UPC code, I used my scan app on the web and scanned the box and it came up with the correct knife, but the knife I have looks slightly different as noted already.

 

[KELAMA]

I'm not too sure about this situation to be honest. Also, you should definitely send the knife back if she refunded you without a hassle. That's part of the eBay policy, which is the same policy that guaranteed you a refund.

^^^^^
You are 100% incorrect regarding this particular area of eBay's policy.

I too, once purchased a counterfeit Spyderco, approximately 2 years ago. I contacted both eBay & Paypal & filed a dispute. Not only did I get myself & 3 other eBay member's 100% refunds; we also didn't have to return the knives, as the fraudulent seller was subsequently banned.

Maybe that is no longer the case, but it sure was on our specific case.

UPC code, I used my scan app on the web and scanned the box and it came up with the correct knife, but the knife I have looks slightly different as noted already.

Good luck buddy, getting this mess straightened out...in a couple of days, it will be ancient history...

 

[madcap_magician]

You understand it is entirely possible that you are freaking out for no reason, right?

It is a pretty good fake, and since you obviously fell for it, it seems entirely within the realm of reason that your eBay seller also fell for it. I don't see anything so far that has been unreasonable. You discovered it was a fake, contacted the seller, the seller promptly and politely refunded you.

Unless the seller was using pictures of a real Police and therefore deliberately deceiving people about the product, or if the seller doesn't pull any other auctions he or she has from that same lot of knives he or she purchased from the local auctioneer, then there doesn't seem to be any evidence of a deliberate attempt at fraud.

 

[sideways]

It's an obvious fake.

Run it up and down the proper channels. (ebay, paypal, spyderco)

If it is a mistake on the sellers part at least there will be a paper trail in case there are any future "mistakes".

 

[The Mastiff]

Get Spyderco to confirm it's a fake before doing much else. It might or might not be. It could be a second. I've not seen a lockback police faked but thatmeans nothing. If you get your money back and don't have to pay for the return just what are you out? Good luck. Really good luck getting the police to take the case when you didn't even lose money.

Spyderco needs to do their own Ebay watching and take care of business if they care to protect buyers, or not.

They do more than most know. They can't be everywhere though.

good luck

joe