Spyderco Police 3 - fake from EBAY "faeithed"

[BBKoenigsegg]

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You are 100% incorrect regarding this particular area of eBay's policy.

I too, once purchased a counterfeit Spyderco, approximately 2 years ago. I contacted both eBay & Paypal & filed a dispute. Not only did I get myself & 3 other eBay member's 100% refunds; we also didn't have to return the knives, as the fraudulent seller was subsequently banned.

Maybe that is no longer the case, but it sure was on our specific case.

The process is this:

You file a claim for a refund due to it being a fake, which will fall under "the product is not as described". The seller then responds, in the case they accepted the refund. The directions, clear as day, are that in order for the refund to take place, the knife has to be mailed back, and the postage should be covered by eBay (that part I'm not 100% sure but I'm pretty sure). I know that's how it works. I just went through the process with a buyer of mine who thought that the 0566 scale I was selling him has misdrilled holes, only to find out that his 0566 was modded and actually had a scale screw hole relocated, so the issue was on his end of things. I ended up processing the return and he sent it back just to find out that it was actually his fault. I ended up returning it to him when he paid for postage.

You understand it is entirely possible that you are freaking out for no reason, right?

It is a pretty good fake, and since you obviously fell for it, it seems entirely within the realm of reason that your eBay seller also fell for it.

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I completely agree with this. What I'm saying is she says she bought these at an auction in a huge bundle. She also says that she doesn't know much about knives. Her selling record corresponds with that story. That's what I was trying to say in my last comment.

 

[rycen]

I've put two half days into this. I've been on the phone with Ebay for over 2hours, went to the police and the court house. I think I've done more than most would have done and I just want these types of people outted.

A general question to you, but it is personal and I feel it was more of a bash. Either way, I'm trying to help Spyderco and others out there to avoid and stop this type of selling. I could have just quit with getting my money back. Most do...

I consider myself a stand up person, honest, and I don't like fraud/liars/thieves. I've dealt with many instances in my life and usually the "bad guy" gets off way too easy while the good guy spends lots of time and effort trying to do good.

I'll pat myself on the back and know this isn't over yet on my end.

Thanks again for the people that contacted me on this issue in PM before I sold it to someone else.. That would have been just another step of annoyance.

As someone who's been pointing out fakes for years the only advice I can give you is don't hold your breath on getting accolades. Also don't expect eBay to do much about it as they still get their cut when the sale goes through.

 

[sloth357]

.... I spoke with 2 departments of Ebay and they specifically told me NOT TO SEND THE KNIFE BACK AND TO KEEP MY REFUND.

DONE.

Screws misplaced or drilled improperly is not the same as a fake knife and the process is not the same. I didn't use the "not as described" action.

You are wrong about the policy.

I also have an email from Spyderco today (after talking to them on the phone) that specifically states it IS A FAKE and they have let their legal department know about this and that they (the legal department at Spyderco) will be contacting Ebay to close down this person's account as they have done this in the past.

Will this happen? Wait and see.

As far as everyone telling me how Ebay works, don't. Unless you are an employee of Ebay escalations department.

Basically, not much will happen at this point other than the seller threatening and hassling me via Ebay and Paypal.

 

[rycen]

Good on you for getting confirmation from Spyderco. They're the only ones that can have an effect through eBay.

 

[BBKoenigsegg]

You are wrong about the policy.

The process I outlined is correct, but you went further and were given other directions because of a special case. I was just suggesting you follow the SOP. Don't take it personally that I'm suggesting this, because it worked in my situation, so I didn't want you to get your refund revoked for not sending the knife back. I'm suggesting not teling you what to do.

EDIT:

Copied and pasted from their site.

"When an item doesn't match the listing description

If a buyer receives an item that doesn't match the listing description, the buyer needs to request a return from My eBay. The seller should address the buyer's concern and offer a solution, such as accepting a return, offering a replacement or refund.

If the buyer doesn't receive a response or solution, or returns the item but doesn't receive a refund or replacement from the seller, the buyer can ask us to step in and help.

If asked to step in and help, we review the item description and any other information about the item that the buyer and seller provide. If we can't determine that the item matches the listing description, if the seller has already offered a return, or the seller's stated return window and policy applies, we may ask the buyer to return the item to the seller.

When an item is returned to the seller
The buyer must return the item in the same condition in which it was received.
The seller is required to accept the return at the same location specified in the listing.
The cost of return shipping is the seller's responsibility. For return of items with a total cost of $750 or more, we require signature confirmation.
The seller pays for any customs charges on the returned item.
Either we generate a return shipping label or the seller can provide a label. We add the cost of an eBay-generated label to the seller's monthly eBay invoice.

When a return shipping label is made available to the buyer and/or the buyer chooses to purchase a separate label, the buyer won't be refunded by eBay for the cost of the label.

After confirming that the item was returned to the seller, we refund the full cost of the item and original shipping via PayPal. We require the seller to reimburse us for the amount. When the buyer arranges shipping or picks up the item, we may not refund the cost of original shipping or pickup."

 

[sloth357]

Oh, and the Ebay post from "faeithed" read:

A bit about the Police 3: It’s been almost 20 years since the first Spyderco Police blade was introduced. As new/better materials became available such as the G-10 handle, requests poured in for an upgrade to the popular model.

It is designed to have large blade that folds easily into a thin, equally sized grip. Finger indents have been incorporated into the handle for max control when gripping the blade. The backlock (close) features a Boye Dent for added security.

Shipping: Will ship Priority Mail - FREE - within the continental US.

Due to international restrictions, I am listing this as shipping within the US only. If you would like it shipped internationally, please contact me and I will look up the shipping restrictions for your particular country and get you a shipping rate.

I have a couple of these to sell so I only took pictures of the one. The knife you receive will be identical to that pictured. The photos are detailed and if you have any questions, I am always available to answer.

Thank you for viewing my auction. Please stop back and check out the many other things Ihave for sale. New items list daily!



No where in that post does it say "unlike retail versions"...

Sure I should have checked all her items for sale and read all the info, but I didn't. It was purchased on a whim as I was fondling my old Police original and decided to look on Ebay to see what was up.. I found "her" post and bought it. My mistake, shoot me