DANTHEMAN123
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buy the native 3 from wallmart. its cheap, vg10 , looks good and is at your local wallmart.
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spyderco?
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MA does have some fucked up laws. at least i think so when it comes to mace carry and firearm carry. here in tennessee, its weird.. i can carry my Glock 9mm anywhere almost but yet i cant carry ANY BLADE over 4 inches, EXACTLY! i have a stellar benchmade fixed blade and i cant carry the damned thing because it is 4.11 inches, but on my hip i can carry a glock 9mm with over 60 rounds of JUHP ammunition! go figure. its messed up.
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Well, I think the "WAVE" is a bit over-rated. Has its uses, but I carry IWB and it doesn't work that well in that enviroment.
As for the hole versus stud thing, Holes smaller than the Dodo's are a waste for me. End up putting line around the upper portion for a thumb purchase. The Military's hole is about right.
As for quality, Spyderco seems to cost about 20% less than Benchmade for the same knife size/quality. Throw in the foreign made/higher volume consideration and the higher price seems reasonable.
But ... the axis lock. Covers that discrepency. I don't like lock-backs. Nope, don't like them much at all. The BB lock has potential, but it's still new and developing. One handed, open and close, is the ticket.
Design wise, Spyderco has more models, more variation, and takes more chances with things like the previously mentioned Dodo. You're more likely to find something you like. Just the math plus Sal's work to satisfy the various ELUs.
The 710 was brought up. It's about as perfect a knife I can imagine. 4-inch blade, one handed operation (left or right), great blade profile (though reprofiling the edge is usually preferred), comfortable carry, and the axis-lock. And all that for about a C-note on the street.
As for the hole versus stud thing, Holes smaller than the Dodo's are a waste for me. End up putting line around the upper portion for a thumb purchase. The Military's hole is about right.
As for quality, Spyderco seems to cost about 20% less than Benchmade for the same knife size/quality. Throw in the foreign made/higher volume consideration and the higher price seems reasonable.
But ... the axis lock. Covers that discrepency. I don't like lock-backs. Nope, don't like them much at all. The BB lock has potential, but it's still new and developing. One handed, open and close, is the ticket.
Design wise, Spyderco has more models, more variation, and takes more chances with things like the previously mentioned Dodo. You're more likely to find something you like. Just the math plus Sal's work to satisfy the various ELUs.
The 710 was brought up. It's about as perfect a knife I can imagine. 4-inch blade, one handed operation (left or right), great blade profile (though reprofiling the edge is usually preferred), comfortable carry, and the axis-lock. And all that for about a C-note on the street.
i am liking spybercos more and more.. just got my first one.. i started another thread about it... i just hope the spydercos are as durable as my benchs have been and i hope they hold an edge as long.. i got the H-1 steel blade so i hope it will stay sharp for a little while...
Mmmh, since you started out comparing to Benchmade, I feel I have to point out that you should comparing knives of similar prices in order to compare apples with apples. If you compare against a G-10 Benchmade, you would have to look at a Spyderco Paramili or Manix, Ocelot etc. (the list is long) and I am not sure whether I agree that they are a step below as you say (or rather, I simply disagree).
However, IMHO Spyderco truely stands out in making very affordable knifes of excellent quality. The entire Salt line is a personal favorite of mine for example. The D4/E4 is great....so many to choose from. Are they reliable...you bet, every bit as reliable as the more expensive ones. Are they as strong....no due to the materials used they are not quite as strong as a Manix, Chinook or even Military, however those count among the strongest knives on the market....and Spyderco is quite clear about this. After all, you get what you pay for....however, for my intended use and I dare say for most peoples general EDC tasks and then some they are plenty strong. Quite frankly I EDC the FRN Spydies as frequently as I do my G10 models.
The Cara Cara, is NOT a Spyderco but a Byrd and, yes, made by Spyderco. Again from my experience they are a tremendous value though. As far as I can tell, they hold up just as well as Spydies and personally I am very fond of my Meadowlark. However, as you would expect for about 1/2 the price of a comparable Spydie, they are finished a tad rougher and while all current Spydies use top of the line bladesteels, the Byrds use a steel that is still a very good steel, but is not as well recognized (and if you do some stringent tests doesn't have quite the performance) as those used in the Spyderco line. It compares roughly to 440C and is IMHO a very nice steel.
Lastly, Scorpio for $80? The going rate for streetprice should be $60.
However, IMHO Spyderco truely stands out in making very affordable knifes of excellent quality. The entire Salt line is a personal favorite of mine for example. The D4/E4 is great....so many to choose from. Are they reliable...you bet, every bit as reliable as the more expensive ones. Are they as strong....no due to the materials used they are not quite as strong as a Manix, Chinook or even Military, however those count among the strongest knives on the market....and Spyderco is quite clear about this. After all, you get what you pay for....however, for my intended use and I dare say for most peoples general EDC tasks and then some they are plenty strong. Quite frankly I EDC the FRN Spydies as frequently as I do my G10 models.
The Cara Cara, is NOT a Spyderco but a Byrd and, yes, made by Spyderco. Again from my experience they are a tremendous value though. As far as I can tell, they hold up just as well as Spydies and personally I am very fond of my Meadowlark. However, as you would expect for about 1/2 the price of a comparable Spydie, they are finished a tad rougher and while all current Spydies use top of the line bladesteels, the Byrds use a steel that is still a very good steel, but is not as well recognized (and if you do some stringent tests doesn't have quite the performance) as those used in the Spyderco line. It compares roughly to 440C and is IMHO a very nice steel.
Lastly, Scorpio for $80? The going rate for streetprice should be $60.
DANTHEMAN123
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you have to admit that spydrecos knives are allgenerally thin in profile, the blade and handle.
Benchmade is trash compared to spyderco.
http://www.mikep7779.info/cpg146/thumbnails.php?album=12
Have a look for yourself.
http://www.mikep7779.info/cpg146/thumbnails.php?album=12
Have a look for yourself.
Yup, that one particular failure would make BM much less a knife then Spydies.
That video was removed from BM's site awhile back.
Iirc,it was a an incidence where one omega broke and the knife when held and spine whacked at angle defeated the axis bar which would be sitting crooked due to one broken spring, but would otherwise hold somewhat in a pinch untill knife was sent in for repair, normally.
But yeah man, you know your crap, or atleast are spreading it.
WR
That video was removed from BM's site awhile back.
Iirc,it was a an incidence where one omega broke and the knife when held and spine whacked at angle defeated the axis bar which would be sitting crooked due to one broken spring, but would otherwise hold somewhat in a pinch untill knife was sent in for repair, normally.
But yeah man, you know your crap, or atleast are spreading it.
WR
WarRaven said:
it shows in the video that the knife was working properly. Knife was then sent back to BM and then the same process repeated. I dont own the POS anymore for that reason.
so 2 710s and 1 705 all failed this test and they are all defective.???????????
i bet.
just trying to pint people in the right direction.
Eh, folding knives are all a compromise. Springs break after a bit of use, liners and framelocks wear, and lockbacks can be defeated by dirt and such. They're mechanical devices, and as such, will break eventually. The Axis is an alright mechanism, and has the nice feature of having two springs so the chances of BOTH failing at the same time are small. Still, it has springs and the springs will eventually break. If you want something that won't fold up on your hand or eventually need repair: buy a fixed blade. Unfortunately not everyone can carry these, though, so you have to go with a folder. Thus, get the one that's most comfortable for you and respect the fact that the darn thing FOLDS. The handle is also the sheath, and as such if the blade has a great desire to go back into its sheath your fingers are going to be in the way.
Then again, where is the mechanical device that has never broken? Technology is great until it isn't.
Then again, where is the mechanical device that has never broken? Technology is great until it isn't.
vhp- You had bad luck. The percentage of Axis lock knives that fail a spine wack test (even after years of use) is very low. Much lower than the 100% failure rate you experienced.
I think the Axis lock is overrated, but it is still very strong.
If someone thinks the Axis lock is crap because one guy had some very bad luck, then every lock is crap. If someone thinks the Axis lock is crap because it uses springs that can break, well, damn near every lock uses springs that can break.
I think the Axis lock is overrated, but it is still very strong.
If someone thinks the Axis lock is crap because one guy had some very bad luck, then every lock is crap. If someone thinks the Axis lock is crap because it uses springs that can break, well, damn near every lock uses springs that can break.