spyderco?

[vhp]

vhp- You had bad luck. The percentage of Axis lock knives that fail a spine wack test (even after years of use) is very low. Much lower than the 100% failure rate you experienced.

I think the Axis lock is overrated, but it is still very strong.

If someone thinks the Axis lock is crap because one guy had some very bad luck, then every lock is crap. If someone thinks the Axis lock is crap because it uses springs that can break, well, damn near every lock uses springs that can break.

I honestly have to disagree, If BM sent me 1000 BM 710's Id say that 1000 of them will fail. Ive only owened 3 Axis locks but have tested alot more. They will all fail.

The reason I say this is it solely depends on where and how you hit it. When you see the griptialian video and others which have the axis lock being spine whacked they are not doing it hard and the angle is not great enogh to overcome the lock.


next i am going to get a friend to allow me to handle some BM osbornes, Because I can garentee they will have the same result,

h, folding knives are all a compromise. Springs break after a bit of use, liners and framelocks wear, and lockbacks can be defeated by dirt and such. They're mechanical devices, and as such, will break eventually. The Axis is an alright mechanism, and has the nice feature of having two springs so the chances of BOTH failing at the same time are small. Still, it has springs and the springs will eventually break. If you want something that won't fold up on your hand or eventually need repair: buy a fixed blade. Unfortunately not everyone can carry these, though, so you have to go with a folder. Thus, get the one that's most comfortable for you and respect the fact that the darn thing FOLDS. The handle is also the sheath, and as such if the blade has a great desire to go back into its sheath your fingers are going to be in the way.

Then again, where is the mechanical device that has never broken? Technology is great until it isn't.

not really because the spyderco compression lock is just as good as a compression lock if ya ask me. The only way it will break is if there is enogh force to crush the biasing spring. i hight doubt you will be able to crush this steel in your hand. will you be able to break the anvil pin or pop it out. again i highly soubt you will pop this due to it being in the G-10 and the liners. also due to its smaller size it an take alot of pressure. Even if the pivot were to break the lock would still hold. BUt if you can break the liners and the g-10 as well as other mentions parths then your a good, because I couldent as hard as I went on my compression locks.

I dont think there is a lock out there stronger than the compression lock. Its bloody perfect.

 

[SpyderJon]

well, there's still that whole "it folds" thing. Again, I've never had a knife fail on me and hurt me, but that's just me. I just think that this constant obsession with locks is silly. My grandfather never cut his finger off, and he never had a lock to begin with. Yeah, he cut himself a few times, but that only taught him what not to do.

 

[orthogonal1]

Never seen that vhp video.

So, vhp, why did it fail? Did you examine it to see or just keep wacking away.

Everytime I have a knife that fails such tests I try to figure out why and see if I can resolve the issue.

One axis knife failed due to the axis bar being too close to the edge of the ramp. A bit of slip-stone work rectified the situation, now 100% reliable. Mass production tolerances no doubt to blame, not the design nor the materials.

Similiarly, a Military needed a bit of tuning to achieve 100% reliability for spine wacks.

No big deal, nor does it overly affect my opinion of the respective firms.

3 bad examples in a row? Kizmit and karma is all I can say. vhp, you just are not meant to enjoy axis Nirvana.

I see you've done more? Again, why are they failing? I've wacked a couple mine very hard multiple times without failure. Technique? Close to pivot, in the middle, near the tip. No consistant failures.

 

[Sal Glesser]

C'mon you guys.

All locks have advantages and disadvantages. All are difficult to make "right". All have the possibility of a "defect" slipping through.

The Axis lock is an excellent lock design and Benchmade does a good job in building it.

Let it rest.

sal

 

[WarRaven]

Man, them are sweet words.

Sal, Your another reason to love the Spydies, no doubt about it.

I love both companies, however i am not blind to a bad lemon or two getting out from either company, but to quote the whole company as crap got my nerve, and reeks of something other then the complete absolute truth to me.

I must not thave that very special flick to my wrist, try as i might, mine will not fold under that scenario, non of mine will, and VHP said,

If BM sent me 1000 BM 710's Id say that 1000 of them will fail. Ive only owened 3 Axis locks but have tested alot more. They will all fail.

They all fail, is the main point VHP, although i think you have a personal reason for this.

next i am going to get a friend to allow me to handle some BM osbornes, Because I can garentee they will have the same result,

I sure hope these Osbournes are not new in display case items that your going to do this too, if so, You better just buy them and send them all in for warranty instead of messing up others peoples future purchases.

You opened with thier all crap, all i can say, the reporter is full of it.

Sorry Sal and others, i am not a complete or near a gentleman like yourself, i see bs from this guy again, and i am calling it as that.

WR

 

[Steven Andrews]

I've done my own testing. The result of my test is that I favour the Axis lock over all other locks.

 

[smcfalls13]

ANY lock will fail if spine whacked enough times/hard enough.

No need to bash a locking mechanism, because no one design is going to be perfect, they all have their strengths.

So you've had a bad experience with certain locks, don't buy them. There's a fine line between mentioning your bad luck to others, and equating it with complete incompetence.

Exactly what kind of spine whack are you using? A sledge hammer to the spine of the blade?

 

[ratfinx]

Yeah, we had problems with this guy over at the BenchmadeForums where he was swiftly booted on more than one occasion. This person, from what I can gather, has some serious issues and admitted on the BMF before that he would damage items on purpose and then send them in for warranty because he was maliciously trying to cost Benchmade money. Apparently he addmitted doing some pretty sketchy things(in the name of stirring up a bunch of stink). I seem to recall something being said about this guy admitting to committing fraud to aquire computer equipment(this was heresay though). This guy has serious psycological issues and this is how he tries to gain attention. I feel sorry for the guy because he's got problems, but everybody in this forum would be better off if this Vinney idiot(aka vhp) is banned. All he ever wants to do is stir up a stink to create attention for himself. Please ban him before he gets worse(and he will). If you don't, you can't blame me for warning you.

 

[DANTHEMAN123]

you cant ban him for what happened elsewhere! well i guess you could. hes had 3 locks break on him. thinkif it were you, really.

710s are expensive knives. well, not that dear for knives but the amount of money is still alot for anything in my book. you cnat blame him for having a go about it.

if hes just breaking them to piss off bm then screw him.

but if hes breaking things to piss off bm cos all his knives broke and he got rejected by customer service then still fair enough(sort of)

 

[glock19er]

the average person who buys a knife doesnt put a 100 dollar knife thru that much abuse so all of these test are useless to the average working person who takes care of a knife.uses it,not abuses it,buy what you like,they both make good knifes.

 

[vhp]

Yeah, we had problems with this guy over at the BenchmadeForums where he was swiftly booted on more than one occasion. This person, from what I can gather, has some serious issues and admitted on the BMF before that he would damage items on purpose and then send them in for warranty because he was maliciously trying to cost Benchmade money. Apparently he addmitted doing some pretty sketchy things(in the name of stirring up a bunch of stink). I seem to recall something being said about this guy admitting to committing fraud to aquire computer equipment(this was heresay though). This guy has serious psycological issues and this is how he tries to gain attention. I feel sorry for the guy because he's got problems, but everybody in this forum would be better off if this Vinney idiot(aka vhp) is banned. All he ever wants to do is stir up a stink to create attention for himself. Please ban him before he gets worse(and he will). If you don't, you can't blame me for warning you.

love the new name for that post. your cool.




To the rest of you I do not mean to bash BM as they make a good product, a product that is around the same as Gerber, cold steel and Lower end Bucks. They are not spyderco's, emersons, al mars, CRK and some others. They just do not have the build quality and stregth.

Im sorry they just dont and telling beginning members and collectors that BM is top notch is like saying Mcdonalds has high quality beef.

Yes they make good products, but they arent amazing for the price. Ive been able to screw over more BM then any other brand in comparison.


I was at Paragon sports today in NYC. Talked to a worker there for about 2 hours then we got into my thoghts on BM. HGe thought the axis lock was great as well as the rest of you. He himself did not want to do the spinehwack tests, so we went onto the leevator with the knives and tested a few. Certainly to his surprise but not mine there were models that failed from BM and ones which did not.



Failed the spinewhack test
BM 707
BM 960 2x red and silver colored
BM 530


Did not Fail
BM 635(solid as a rock.)
BM 551(actually the best BM ive ever handle.) Solid solid.





No matter what you belive, I bring things to the table. Ive got no reason to lie. and there is no reason to misinform people.




and no matter if people abuse or not. If you can buy a folder that is stringer than another, then you should get that folder.

 

[redhawk44p]

For the love of God, go buy a Manix or a para and be done with it!

Damn straight!:thumbup:

 

[orthogonal1]

"Gerber, cold steel and Lower end Bucks" - vhp

And to think I wasted a few minutes playing spine wack with blackened contact surfaces to verify contact area.

 

[jlh2600]

the average person who buys a knife doesnt put a 100 dollar knife thru that much abuse .

You know, I was thinking just that- the reason all these knives that cost hundreds of dollars outlast others might have more to do with the fact that no one will treat an expensive knife the same they would a cheap one, more than the quality of build.

 

[Hair]

vhp, I think your experiences are not typical and that your opinions are misguided.

Sorry, I *know* this to be true, not think it.

If you think your failure rate with BM is the actual failure rate they put out of their factory, you need to take a few logic and reasoning classes.

If you distrust a brand because of bad experiences, that is fine. But to proclaim that your experiences are typical is folly.

 

[vhp]

your right BM makes an Amazing product and they are the best.

 

[meshmdz]

this thread has gone so far off topic i have given up on it

 

[Hair]

your right BM makes an Amazing product and they are the best.

Cute.

Obviously that isn't what I am saying. I am not telling you what your opinion should be. But you should face facts. 0/3 is not the same as 0/1000.

But hey, you can believe that you are the center of the world and your extremely bad luck is a typical result for everyone.

I mean, if you tried 1000 710s, all 1000 would fail a spine wack right?

Of course for the rest of the world, only a VERY small percentage fail.

But they are all just extremely lucky, right?

 

[Steven Andrews]

Vinny (h?) Perricone, in all his incarnations, is banned here too. He's very persistent. This time he's vhp. Hopefully he'll be banned again.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=337478&highlight=vinny+banned
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=348681&highlight=vinny+banned
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=342511&highlight=vinny+banned
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=348738&highlight=vinny+banned

regarding vinny77 and his Spyderco with it's mysterious burr...

here is what vinny recommends to a fellow forumite on the Ipod forums: "[font=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]well best buy doesent ahve them yet and the anser is still no. Your ipod is a 40gb 3g so it is more than $300 so you have the Best buy PSP which is a service plan and not the PRP which is a replacement. Best buy will take your ipod in and look at it for about 20 days, If they connot fix a Problem with ur Pod then you will get whatever is the equal value. Sicce I think your ipod was $500 when you got it you will be able to get the $500 photo ipod becosue then if they agve you a 40gb 4g you would have lost $100. There is a chance the Best buy will have some 3G 40gb in stock in the back so watch out for this. You need to have a unresolvable problem for them to give you a new one. My suggestion is Open the iPod carefully so it is not detectable and unplug or break somthing that is unoticable. You have a good chance in getting by with this"

he says this about an unsigned package: "[/font]If they just dropped mine off and left i would say i never got It and get a 2md one for free Lol"

here's my favorite: "I lie all the time, why should i care about a Milti million dallor company looses $50 or even $600 at that. I know it woulodent matter to me. everybody lies and steals all the time its called becoming succesful and making yourself better, It just how things work. Dont tell me no Either, Most succesful corporations have had at least 1 scandal involving each of these"

words to live by?... "You are right if you have to kill somebody just to make money you should do it then. It happens everyday"

after being told to knock it off, our dear pal vinny signed right back up with a new name. here's what he was told, "The game is over, vinny. I gave you two days timeout for being obnoxious and you immediately re-reg'd from the exact same IP addy. That makes it a permaban. Your immature antics are no longer welcome here. Please find a new playground."



if you guys really want to waste your time on vinny77 here, i guess that's up to you. i'm not trying to stir the pot, but i don't like to see BFC members waste their time on someone who is obviously trolling. he's been banned from 3 forums that i can see and seems to drive everyone nuts wherever he goes. his Spyderco issue seemed fishy AT BEST, and after what i've read elsewhere, i'm of the firm belief that he damaged his knife on his own.

IMO, our time could be better spent. moderators, if my post is out of line, i will edit it.

abe

 

[WarRaven]

Yup, glad it all washed out into the open.

Very glad.

As said by Vhp,

To the rest of you I do not mean to bash BM as they make a good product, a product that is around the same as Gerber, cold steel and Lower end Bucks. They are not spyderco's, emersons, al mars, CRK and some others. They just do not have the build quality and stregth.

Now, i just love his reasoning, they dont have the strength, and you really dont want to bash them, just grossly abuse the warranty department, so much crap. :foot:

Im sorry they just dont and telling beginning members and collectors that BM is top notch is like saying Mcdonalds has high quality beef.

Lmao.I wouldnt be knocking Mcd's too much kid, your gonna be a regular, especially if someone dates you, i just cant imagine.(Big gene pool, alot of slow ones i guess.):barf:
I really cant imagine you having any worthy input to another potential buyer of anything.

Yes they make good products, but they arent amazing for the price. Ive been able to screw over more BM then any other brand in comparison.

They do have some great CS dont they?
They even managed to put up with you, unbelievable.
Then this type of abuse causes costs to the manufacturer to rise and our toys get more exspensive because of your little warranty tantrums, i would think, if you ever bumped into a big time BM collector, he might not be so nice to your quality of life warranty either.

I was at Paragon sports today in NYC. Talked to a worker there for about 2 hours then we got into my thoghts on BM. HGe thought the axis lock was great as well as the rest of you. He himself did not want to do the spinehwack tests, so we went onto the leevator with the knives and tested a few. Certainly to his surprise but not mine there were models that failed from BM and ones which did not.

Had to get home to dinner, or clean your stinking little room?
Did the salesmen make a nice list for you too?

Bet you havent bought one thing an looked after it your entire existence.
I also would hazard, mom an dad would be a little less willing to support your cravings if they knew how you treated your equipment.

And that poor salesman, he didnt make a dime or get a potential customer worthy of telling the time to, you just dont get it do you?

Maybe you should be stripped of your worldy possesions,and made to earn every piece of crap back you have wrecked, and obviously, pay back your parents and society.

Sorry regulars, i am just venting for the wasted effort to prove what is worthy and what is obviously isnt to someone not worthy of nail clippers.

WR