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Thachman said:
And as to the Patterson film. I think it is fake and so are the tracks. Don't underestimate a highly motivated group of men. Remember, just two years later we put a guy on the moon! You don't think a bunch of guys with lots of time on their hands could build a good suit and fake some tracks? If you don't, then I've got a bridge I'd like to sell ya...

My 2 pesos.
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Here we go again...another topic...Man on the Moon:rolleyes: I guess you really believe man has walked on the moon ? In the late 60's you were lucky to have a telephone & a Tv with 3 or 4 channels. & your gonna tell my they had the technology to fly people to the moon & back ? LOL...the little robot to collect the rock samples maybe but I just don't see Man on the moon, if we could make it to the moon in the late 60's then by todays time there would already be tours taking people to the moon & McDonalds would already have one on there right beside WalMart ! We have been trying to get "Back" :rolleyes: to the moon ever since & even with todays technology we still can't do it ! If you believe Man walked on the moon then you have no right to bash the Bigfoot believers :foot:
 
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http://www.bigfootencounters.com/articles/skamania-ordinance.htm
http://blogs.howstuffworks.com/2010/10/07/obey-the-law-dont-kill-bigfoot/
these were the only ones i could find.

i should have looked it up instead of taking the word of somebody on a bigfoot show on history channel. who would have thought a bigfoot researcher/expert would steer somebody wrong with false bigfoot info. who knew.

Erasmus, i believe you saw something, and that some animals see things we don't. i just can't bring myself to believe in bigfoot. thanks for the info on the birds tho, that's pretty interesting.

i did see a mountain lion track in southern Ohio once. perfect prints in an inch and a half of snow. crossing a creek/gorge on a log. found the tracks at about
7:30 am on a Wednesday during gun season for deer.
stood there for 30 minutes or so trying to figure out what i was looking at.
there are no mountain lions in Ohio, end of story, no mountain lions in Ohio. but there it was not just one but a string of them going over a log. dogs don't do that, coyotes will but not dogs. way to big to be a bobcat. had to be a mountain lion.
didn't tell anyone about, because i knew that it couldn't be a mountain lion.
the next year i was at a check station with a doe i killed. a couple guys were talking about a bear that was killed close to where i hunt and that they had seen some of the tracks. i started talking to them about it and then i told them about the cat tracks from the year before, didn't surprise them at all. guy behind the counter said,"yep, it was a mountain lion" simple as that. i told him that there were no lions in ohio, all he said was "yep, it was a mountain lion".
it seems a lady on the lake had a pet lion, it got loose and i saw the tracks. so, there's no mountain lions in Ohio, but there was a pet that got loose.
it ended up killing some dogs so they ended up hunting it down and killing it.

saw what i thought for a minute was a large person like thing in the woods one year deer hunting, ended up being a limb hanging on another limb that moved as the wind blew. looked like something ducking behind a tree whenever i would look at it. snuck around the other side of the ridge, and there it was a tree limb.
wish it had been a bigfoot, I'm thinking a 12 gauge slug would have solved the mystery.
 
coaldigger said:
Here we go again...another topic...Man on the Moon:rolleyes: I guess you really believe man has walked on the moon ? In the late 60's you were lucky to have a telephone & a Tv with 3 or 4 channels. & your gonna tell my they had the technology to fly people to the moon & back ? LOL...the little robot to collect the rock samples maybe but I just don't see Man on the moon, if we could make it to the moon in the late 60's then by todays time there would already be tours taking people to the moon & McDonalds would already have one on there right beside WalMart ! We have been trying to get "Back" :rolleyes: to the moon ever since & even with todays technology we still can't do it ! If you believe Man walked on the moon then you have no right to bash the Bigfoot believers :foot:
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thats some funny **** right there.
 
That's just it, you see. I had too good a look at, to mistake some common quadraped for it.
It definately did not have a "dog" snout, such as black bears, coyotes wolves or mulies have. As far as wolves go, they were entirely absent at the time. There still don't seem to be any around, though introduced Mexican Gray Wolves will probably show up one day in the future.

I've been to the San Diego Zoo a couple of times. It didn't look like at all like a gorilla, or chimp. It did have some long flowing Orangutan style hair on its arms. You know how the hair on the edges of these things trails off into a wispy, feathered edge? Like in this news story. Can't figure out how to paste the picture.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2009/apr/30/live-ape-debate-orangutan-conservation

It looked for all the world like a 200lb+ beefy highschool football player, covered in fur, with no neck, head sitting directly on the shoulders, no snout and no visible ears. It had the sort of flattish face you would expect on a human. Unlike some versions of the stabilized Patterson film, It didn't have a bare, leathery face. It seemed to look out at me through only somewhat shorter hair, than it had on its arms. It had a distinctly humanoid appearance/profile.

I've seen coyotes, blackbears bobcats and even badgers around here at close range during hunting season. Not once did a sighting of them ever give me the "Oh Shi!" moment of deep fear that this thing produced in me. Staring at it did not relieve the mystery any. It had the exact appearance of a naked human, covered in hair, with no neck.

There are no other words in English for what I saw, except the shorthand "bigfoot" notation. It didn't look monkeylike to me. It looked human-like, but furry. Even though Old Mexico has monkeys, I say it wasn't a monkey.

Now in terms of the bad feeling that some people report experiencing, I think I can propose a reasonable technical theory for its physiological mechanism. You'll have to bear with me, I'm a mechanical engineer, not a doctor or physiologist as if you couldn't tell!

People are free to believe or disbelieve, just as they have always been. I neither gain nor lose from the anonymous postings that appear on Al Gore's evil brainchild.

Personally, I have a live and let live attitude toward this creature--
"Don't bother me, and I won't start shooting." As long as they leave my hunting dogs alone, stay out of my camp, and leave me alone, I don't care what they do in the Sierras. As a cryptic addendum, I also refuse to believe that longtime resident Forest Rangers are unaware of them.
 
They may be aware of them but awareness and talking about it are two different things. If the norm within the forest ranger culture is to not talk about such things so you don't open yourself up to ridicule then I can see why they would be reluctant to talk.
 
I'll believe it when someone brings back a body. Eye witness account is notoriously shaky. As a species we're not particularly good at making quick evaluations regarding the unknown. Not knowing is uncomfortable, so we tend to stuff the unknown into the context of the known (what we personally "know") even if it isn't a great fit. I have a very superstitious coworker who takes this to the extreme. You name it and he believes it. He has seen a chupacabra, as have several of his friends. No matter how many ways he tries to describe it, the description is interchangeable with that of a seriously mangy and inbred feral dog...which is something I've seen many times (wait, unless they were all chupacabra!).
 
Good. Be skeptical. I was for the 1st 20 years of my hunting, eh, "career".

There isn't any proof in this thread you can measure and analyze with scientific instruments. The evidence is all gone with the passage of time. All this definately is, is an anonymous story, told to people on the internet, by some guy no one here has met. I do say it's a true story that actually happened to me. You probably never will have a way to eliminate any doubts you may come up with about my story.. That's just the way odd stories seem to go.

I must reject the theory that I am as confused and mistaken as a superstitious and ignorant Mexican Peasant! I'd been hunting for too many decades in this exact region, to become hysterical or confused by ANY ordinary animal sighting.

At any rate, I'm not Latino and have a veneer of higher education :) I will admit to having had High School Spanish, tho. I guess that's a partial vindication.

I don't recall seeing you there. If you want to be in denial, you'll have to speak for yourself. No one can be in denial for me. That's my prerogative!:o


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And this is where these conversations go sideways.
I don't believe in sasquatch, but at the end of the day I wasn't there so really I have no idea what you saw.
If they do exist it would be nice if they one day collected concrete evidence if for no other reason to vindicate eye witnesses that have that need.
 
xylum said:
I find the lack of physical evidence very convincing. While the terrain the Pacific NW may be harsh and relatively uninhabited by humans, there are still people everywhere. There are little towns, single ranches, etc. everywhere. Almost all of the land has been logged at some point and is currently managed. We have evidence of all the other critters out there, road kills, skeletons (I've found 2 mountain lion skeletons, hows that for rare?), tracks, scat, excellent high resolution photos, etc. We are talking about a population, likely numerous populations with some mixing (biologist here). For bigfoot to be real, we would need many individuals, breeding, raising young, migrating to seasonal food sources, and all the other things real mammals do. Sure an individual may go completely undetected for decades, but entire populations? That's what gets me, all the hunters out there, ranchers and loggers, not one has stumbled upon a bigfoot and shot it. Happens all the time with bears and mountains lions.

We've got skeletons, carcasses and high quality imagery (photo and movie) of all the mammals in North America. Yet no reliable evidence of bigfoot. It's not one bigfoot, it's a population. I just seems way to far fetched for me. I'd love it if it was real, that'd be cool.

In the end, the only logical way that bigfoot could be out there is if: 1) it doesn't show up on film (like a vampire?) and 2) it doesn't leave a carcass (like a werewolf? maybe it turns into a bear carcass?). And that's my scientific logical explanation.
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Exactly, I couldn't agree more. Here in SW Wash we have a long history of people admitting to faking famous big foot sightings too. That includes the one in Northern California. A local logger was working in that area back then and said he faked the film before he died.
Then there is the fact no great ape species has ever been identified as native to the new world. Humans showed up fairly recently.
 
Sidehill Gouger said:
Exactly, I couldn't agree more. Here in SW Wash we have a long history of people admitting to faking famous big foot sightings too. That includes the one in Northern California. A local logger was working in that area back then and said he faked the film before he died.
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I've never read of anyone admitting to "faking" a bigfoot sighting. How about some links, of the stories where they do so? What film are you referring to? Patterson, died and never said it wasn't real and the man with him, says it wasn't fake to this day.
 
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http://www.creationtips.com/bigfoot.html

http://articles.cnn.com/2008-08-19/us/bigfoot.hoax_1_tom-biscardi-steve-kulls-claim?_s=PM:US

http://www.wnd.com/2004/03/23657/

http://www.csicop.org/si/show/bigfoot_at_50_evaluating_a_half-century_of_bigfoot_evidence

these were the only ones i could find. had never looked that up before. some of its interesting.

it seems more than one person says the most famous bigfoot vid was admitted as a fake.
we know the bigfoot freezer puppet was faked. a lot of people were convinced that was real until it was checked.
wonder what else those boys faked, seemed to have a lot of pics too.
 
jill jackson said:
I've never read of anyone admitting to "faking" a bigfoot sighting. How about some links, of the stories where they do so? What film are you referring to? Patterson, died and never said it wasn't real and the man with him, says it wasn't fake to this day.
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I'm not going to do your research for you but if you are really interested go through the archives of the Longview Daily News, Longview WA. You can probably start with the incident in "Ape Canyon" on the south side of Mt. St. Helens back in I think the 1920's.
Faking big foot evidence has been a major sport around here for many years.
 
Sidehill Gouger said:
I'm not going to do your research for you but if you are really interested go through the archives of the Longview Daily News, Longview WA. You can probably start with the incident in "Ape Canyon" on the south side of Mt. St. Helens back in I think the 1920's.
Faking big foot evidence has been a major sport around here for many years.
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I've never read where the men at "Ape Canyon" said they were lying about what they claimed, nor have I ever read someone stating they'd SEEN something, later say they were lying.
 
I never said there wasn't hoaxers, I said I've never read of a sighting, where the person reporting it suddenly declared they just made it up. Like Erasmus, for example. or somebody I know that claims they've seen it. (The man that was at Ape Canyon, did not say the story was fabricated either)
 
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