Starting a GIB build , any advice ?

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I've been reading through threads of others builds , I can't find Unky's which I remember had a lot of troubleshooting in it . I have a Canadian Tire tap and die set but I'm going to go buy some better taps. What should I use for mounting hardware , I was thinking socket head bolts and acorn nuts, spring size and attachment . My main drill press is in the shop leaving me with a crappy Ryobi which is worrisome and I don't have angle plates . I have everything (VFD,Motor , wheels , attachments ) but the mounting hardware .Any advice on building this so it's square and true ?
 
I did not know you could get that shipped to canada, what did the shipping cost? Tried to send you an email but somehow the bladeforums email wouldnt let it go through.
 
I had some problems with getting properly centered and accurate holes when I built mine since I had a crappy HF bench type drill press and even crappier drill vise at the time, which had a lot of chatter and slop, and a table that I couldn't keep level. Also i didnt have a lot of experience drilling/tapping metal where some level of precision was required. All of that combined left me with a lot of headaches and lack of confidence about my gib for a year or so.

In the long run, for me, it was good, since after rebuilding it a half dozen times, and making lots of modifications, I now have a deeper understanding of how these types of machines work, and feel confident fabing them from scratch. On the flip side, I've got more time and money in my gib than I would have buying a high end grinder.

For me its all ok, since I find myself more interested in making tools these days than making knives, but unless you feel the same, take the time to do things right the first time around.

The biggest thing you have to worry about is drilling the holes in the tension arm for the tracking assembly, and the cross hole for the piece that the tracking wheel attaches to, where it connects to the tension arm. If you don't get these drilled square and vertical, you'll have tracking problems. If you've got access to a large floor model drill, or better, I'd use it. Buy high quality twist drills, taps, and also countersinks from an industrial supplier. You can get by with just one 7/8 or 1" countersink, since the angle should be the same regardless of screw head size.

If you have a welder and are confident using it, there are a lot of things you can do to make the grinder nicer. I welded the main upright piece of the gib to the base, and I also countersunk the hole for tracking wheel bolt in from the back, and welded a 1/2 steel shoulder bolt with a flat socket head clamped square into it. I did the same thing with my platens for the various wheels. That combined with "shop" nuts, keeps all the wheels secured properly without having to put too much pressure on thr cheaper wheels that don't have sleeves between the bearings. When I had the tension wheel secured with a bolt screwing into a tapped hole, it was constantly coming loose and affecting tracking.

I posted in another thread about Ed Caffreys suggested mods to use a compression spring instead of a pull spring, and to move the tracking arm forward, and I recommend it highly.

Make sure you figure out how many and what length and size of hardware you need and try to make one trip. I bought tons of wrong sized bolts and made many trips to lowes, wasting gas time and money. Also, those places will always be missing something you need, and you can spend tons trying to make something else work, so if you've got an industrial/contractor supplier for these types of hardware, even if its out of your way, do yourself a favor. Also, all the bolts for the tooling arm receiver section aren't the same length.

Sorry to be so long winded.
 
Thanks for the advice , I'm worried about the parts you mentioned getting them square since I'm in the same boat with the drill press and vice. I bought big extension springs so I'm going to go with them first but will move the arm forward .




I had some problems with getting properly centered and accurate holes when I built mine since I had a crappy HF bench type drill press and even crappier drill vise at the time, which had a lot of chatter and slop, and a table that I couldn't keep level. Also i didnt have a lot of experience drilling/tapping metal where some level of precision was required. All of that combined left me with a lot of headaches and lack of confidence about my gib for a year or so.

In the long run, for me, it was good, since after rebuilding it a half dozen times, and making lots of modifications, I now have a deeper understanding of how these types of machines work, and feel confident fabing them from scratch. On the flip side, I've got more time and money in my gib than I would have buying a high end grinder.

For me its all ok, since I find myself more interested in making tools these days than making knives, but unless you feel the same, take the time to do things right the first time around.

The biggest thing you have to worry about is drilling the holes in the tension arm for the tracking assembly, and the cross hole for the piece that the tracking wheel attaches to, where it connects to the tension arm. If you don't get these drilled square and vertical, you'll have tracking problems. If you've got access to a large floor model drill, or better, I'd use it. Buy high quality twist drills, taps, and also countersinks from an industrial supplier. You can get by with just one 7/8 or 1" countersink, since the angle should be the same regardless of screw head size.

If you have a welder and are confident using it, there are a lot of things you can do to make the grinder nicer. I welded the main upright piece of the gib to the base, and I also countersunk the hole for tracking wheel bolt in from the back, and welded a 1/2 steel shoulder bolt with a flat socket head clamped square into it. I did the same thing with my platens for the various wheels. That combined with "shop" nuts, keeps all the wheels secured properly without having to put too much pressure on thr cheaper wheels that don't have sleeves between the bearings. When I had the tension wheel secured with a bolt screwing into a tapped hole, it was constantly coming loose and affecting tracking.

I posted in another thread about Ed Caffreys suggested mods to use a compression spring instead of a pull spring, and to move the tracking arm forward, and I recommend it highly.

Make sure you figure out how many and what length and size of hardware you need and try to make one trip. I bought tons of wrong sized bolts and made many trips to lowes, wasting gas time and money. Also, those places will always be missing something you need, and you can spend tons trying to make something else work, so if you've got an industrial/contractor supplier for these types of hardware, even if its out of your way, do yourself a favor. Also, all the bolts for the tooling arm receiver section aren't the same length.

Sorry to be so long winded.
 
Yeah, use what you've got certainly, just keep in mind the spring if 6 months or a year later you find your tracking seems to get worse for no apparent reason, that's the likely culprit.
 
Well my Ryobi 10" drill press table won't lower enough to drill the upright, so I'm stuck at square one . My other drill press is being repaired and I won't see it for a month at least. I have a gas less flux core MIG type welder and some welders magnets but I'm not good at welding and can see it being difficult to keep square . There is a lot of side movement with the upright in the base hole.
 
Javand, do you happen to have a link to your previous post about the Ed Caffery mod on the tensioner arm? I can't seem to find it, and I am about to start my build as well.
 
When you get it built I recommend getting a 69 lb spring from Home Depot for the tension arm. I will save you a lot of time screwing around with tracking.

This is what it looks like

toolrest017.jpg
 
I'd recommend a gas spring. The ones from mcmaster for 15 bucks are the ones I use. I like it so much more then a coil spring. I'll post pictures of mine tomorrow if i get a chance.
 
I've been planning to switch to a gas spring also, good recommendation. I'd like to see how you've got yours set up. Which spring did you use?
 
When you get it built I recommend getting a 69 lb spring from Home Depot for the tension arm. I will save you a lot of time screwing around with tracking.

This is what it looks like

toolrest017.jpg

That is a great looking setup. Can you give me some detail on the platen attachment? Is that a Caffrey type design? 1.5", 3" wheels that can be used in 4 positions? Any info would be great. Thanks
 
That is a great looking setup. Can you give me some detail on the platen attachment? Is that a Caffrey type design? 1.5", 3" wheels that can be used in 4 positions? Any info would be great. Thanks


The platen I got with my GIB. I cut it down to accommodate a 2" and 4" wheel. It can be used in all 4 positions. The multiplaten sold with the GIB is to big and if he trimmed it down it would accommodate small and big wheels.
 
Well I attempted to weld the base to the upright with my little gas less flux core welder without bolting it first. I used big angle magnets to set it up but made the mistake of tacking one side and then welding a bead ( if you could call it that). It totally bent to that side , so I'm hoping I can weld the other side slowly checking to try to get it square again. Or I'm going to grind off the weld and prep the edges with a slight V to give room for the weld since the welder isn't very powerful.I'm totally new to welding so I'm not sure if this will work.
 
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When you get it built I recommend getting a 69 lb spring from Home Depot for the tension arm. I will save you a lot of time screwing around with tracking.

This is what it looks like

toolrest017.jpg

How thick is the tubing? Is it plenty rigid?
 
Hey Duffy, if all you've got is a flux core welder and little experience using it, you may want to grind that weld off and just tap for the upright. When welding something you can't securely clamp, youve got to tack both sides lightly before running your beads or it will always bend like that.. Since the rest of the grinder is all attached to the upright, having it off a pinch won't hurt anything, as long as you can still bolt the motor face in flush, but it would keep you from being able to level the grinder using the base as reference.
 
How thick is the tubing? Is it plenty rigid?

The tubing is fine. My tool rest still has it.

Although I did upgrade to 1/4" thick wall tubing for the platen which is much heavier. For stability heavier is better.

Changing tool arms is like work out the damn things are so heavy :)


A Side note. If Jamie is reading this thread. If you drill 4 holes for pillow blocks in the base it will make the GIB a good option for those who want to use pulleys. Also if you cut down the multiplaten like the one on my grinder it will handle wheels down to 1.5" and 3.5" like the Caffery set up.

Just a thought
 
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