Strider fakes!

[Murdamook]

Murder, rape, pedophilia, kidnapping???? These have what to do with the subject at hand? Copyright infringement? Wrong again. We're talking about outright counterfeiting, complete with logos. Design copying has gone on and will go on forever, as have copyright infringement cases to keep the lawyers fat and happy. See how "in awe" you are when you buy a knife, watch, designer handbag or other luxury item thinking it's a good deal and come to realize it's fake. Perhaps the posters in this thread who rationalize the purchase really will stay completely honest about the fact it's a fake or go to the trouble to mill off the logo. Sooner or later, when these fakes get imported in numbers (also illegal, I might add), the less honorable among us will be passing them off as real. Obviously not in the same league with murder, rape, pedophilia and kidnapping but still fraudulent, illegal and will have a seriously negative effect on our hobby.

You clearly failed to grasp my point. In no way did I compare those crimes to counterfeiting crimes. I just stated that it amazes me that people are in awe at the fact that someone would produce counterfeits when all of those exist in society. My point was thus: if people are willing to kill, rape, etc. why would someone be amazed to see that people arr also willing to counterfeit. Also, this isn't illegal in China.

 

[cziv]

I share the same opinion.

As do I. :thumbup: If they ground off the Strider name and any ID I might buy/try one - but heck not at that price! The SRM copied the small Sebbie's curves and sold for about $6.95.

I think we must face that Chinese replicas are here to stay but we don't have to get mad about we just don't buy them!!

 

[like em sharp]

As do I. :thumbup: If they ground off the Strider name and any ID I might buy/try one - but heck not at that price! The SRM copied the small Sebbie's curves and sold for about $6.95.

I think we must face that Chinese replicas are here to stay but we don't have to get mad about we just don't buy them!!

I think getting mad about it is perfectly fine. Pisses me off that they exist, and I've stated a few times that I definitively wouldn't purchase one. But you're right - vote with your dollars, don't support the counterfeiters.

I just don't see the value in getting up in arms over people that vote a different way then me.

 

[Murdamook]

I think getting mad about it is perfectly fine. Pisses me off that they exist, and I've stated a few times that I definitively wouldn't purchase one. But you're right - vote with your dollars, don't support the counterfeiters.

I just don't see the value in getting up in arms over people that vote a different way then me.

+1 to the last part.

 

[BP Green]

This thread is half useful posts and half people who spend too much time worrying about what others purchase with their hard earned cash. If you think it is "immoral" or "unethical" to purchase this fake, then don't buy one. If someone else feels as though they would like to purchase one with the cash that they earned, then you shouldn't care. I personally hate the idea of owning a fake. I am not morally opposed to it. There is something about owning a legit piece that will never accompany a fake. I am personally in awe at the fact that people are in awe over this knife. Yes, counterfeiting happens, but in a world filled with murder, rape, pedophilia, kidnapping, etc.; it's the act of counterfeiting that leaves you in awe? As was said previous, if you're using any piece of technology right now; chances are there is an ongoing court case that has to do with copyright infringement. Apple and Samsung are going on two years in court now because of a touchscreen copyright that both parties clain the other one stole from them.

To the gentleman who refused to sell to someone who would purchase this fake blade; I refuse to purchase from you because of your desire to judge someone based on purchasing decisions.

To all: live your life and let others live theirs.

And who are you to decide what particular crimes I should or shouldn't be outraged by? Your argument is so weak it doesn't even merit the time it would take to respond. Yeah, murder and pedophiles are way low on my list.

Whatever you need to tell yourself so you can enjoy that "bargain". . . .

 

[like em sharp]

Whatever you need to tell yourself so you can enjoy that "bargain". . . .

You're going to have to tell me where you surmised that Murdamook would happily buy a fake, after he wrote multiple in that post that he would never do so. Care to enlighten me?

 

[Pizis]

Chineses..maybe they simply do not know that copyright law is.. They have not such a law in China. They are communistic. For them it is normal..I lived in USSR. We have not such a law there. All in around had been belonging to nation and very little for individual. The very big crime was a theft from the motherland but not so big a theft from the other. A miner or any other hard worker was more wealthy than ours movie-star or famous writer. A man could get a fame but not a money.

 

[espnazi]

Chineses..maybe they simply do not know that copyright law is.. They have not such a law in China. They are communistic. For them it is normal..I lived in USSR. We have not such a law there. All in around had been belonging to nation and very little for individual. The very big crime was a theft from the motherland but not so big a theft from the other. A miner or any other hard worker was more wealthy than ours movie-star or famous writer. A man could get a fame but not a money.

Probably

From their site:

Please brothers believe that China also has a good brand, but also do something, we definitely put a good product to leave their homeland compatriots!

 

[GronK]

You clearly failed to grasp my point. In no way did I compare those crimes to counterfeiting crimes. I just stated that it amazes me that people are in awe at the fact that someone would produce counterfeits when all of those exist in society. My point was thus: if people are willing to kill, rape, etc. why would someone be amazed to see that people arr also willing to counterfeit. Also, this isn't illegal in China.

Not in awe or amazed either one. Just pointing out the effect this practice will have on our hobby. OBTW, I'm not in China and couldn't care less what is legal or illegal there. Other than murder, rape, pedophilia and kidnapping which I suspect actually are illegal there.

 

[Tsujigiri]

What I like about knives as opposed to some of my other hobbies like fountain pens and headphones is that you still have a choice in the country of origin, and there aren't too many fakes out there. I'd hate to see that change.

 

[Thomas W]

I wouldn't buy one of these, mainly because its stamped Strider. Amazing how that name is basically an anathema to integrity no matter who makes the knives.

I share the same opinion.

Ahh, a couple of more that can't stay on topic...

For a long time US companies have been outsourcing to Chinese companies,

This isn't the topic at hand RB. We're talking about "counterfeiting". If you read my post, I mention how counterfeiting, and the support of such thievery "further challenges" US manufacturer's.

if anyone is to blame its the big US companies and in the knife scene alone there are only a few of those larger production makers who don't outsource if any at all now.

You're confusing a US manufacturer supporting it's stateside business by importing products to additionally compete with the growing amount of foreign made knives, vs. a nobody factory in China that is looking to profit by unauthentic deception and imitation.

Again this thought is off topic.

IMO you're additionally inaccurate with your blame, but that response would be for another time and in an appropriate on topic thread.

 

[cziv]

This thread has lost it's allure.....see ya'll.

 

[espnazi]

Update there also seems to be what seems like a fake SNG with Lego G10.

The picture doesn't show logos but who knows.

So far the Strider fakes are DGG SMF, CC SMF, the full titanium SMF, and SNG with Lego G10. No PTs so far so when buying used on the big sites (eBay and the like) just look out for the the models listed.

I would recommend buying from trusted members on forums or authorized dealers.

 

[samhain73]

At least those do not look authentic at all.

 

[espnazi]

At least those do not look authentic at all.

They are from the same manufacturer perhaps they are moving away from total counterfeits to just copies, who knows perhaps they just edited it out the logo for the pics.

Another angle on them.

 

[scouter27]

Maybe that was before the had logo stamps put in the steel also

In any case, I'd like to own a real chisel ground Nightmare like that tanto. Make it a Warren Thomas Ti/Carbon fiber blade and I might have to get naked

 

[Pizis]

Here you can see the photo comparison between an original Strider SMF GG and a fake.

http://talks.guns.ru/forummessage/144/820944-32.html

With Google translation-

http://translate.google.ru/translat...talks.guns.ru/forummessage/144/820944-32.html

The fake has a Boss stamp on the blade, another color of pocket clip(it is made from steel opposite titanium on original Strider), ceramic detent ball(similar to as at original Sebenza- black ceramic, glassy looking). The 440C cobalt on blade, we think it is probably chinese 9Cr18CoMoV

At that Russian website there are also many debates almost quarrels for fakes are unacceptable.

 

[Matador]

Those look like Buck Strider's on crack!

 

[Thomas W]

I have no problem with that if they don't claim it's produced by strider...They can stamp it or not I don't care but don't tell us it's from Strider. Which means, if they are trying to trick people like you who don't buy counterfeit, that's wrong. But while they are telling you it's a counterfeit, you can just ignore it, because it's not for you.

I'm unsure what you mean by "telling" us? Are you saying unless they specifically spell it out through incredibly inaccurate, illegible descriptions stating that this is in fact a fake branded product it's all cool?

BTW, here is a typical example of a counterfeit description:

Since 1974, the United States, Kai Knife Factory is committed to R & D tool with innovative products, its two brands, "Kershaw", "ten days (cis)" main different product lines, have gained market acclaim. Since 2006, Kai has created a third of the new brand ─ ─ ZT (Zero Tolerance). ZT is a "zero tolerance" for short, the Chinese can be translated as "zero error." Demands of the brand name products in the design, manufacturing process and function applications are to achieve "zero error, zero-loss" of perfection. To achieve this, please start a company headed Cutler willing Onlion represented, with the Strider knife factory cooperation, design and production ZT series of products. ZT series not only has a strong research background, the brand is also involved in public welfare

Look, by stamping the brand logo on the product they are shouting it out as (in this case) a genuine Strider branded knife. The wrong in all of this isn't difficult to figure out.

I'm shaking my head at you're justification here.

 

[khtima]

Chineses..maybe they simply do not know that copyright law is.. They have not such a law in China. They are communistic. For them it is normal..I lived in USSR. We have not such a law there. All in around had been belonging to nation and very little for individual. The very big crime was a theft from the motherland but not so big a theft from the other. A miner or any other hard worker was more wealthy than ours movie-star or famous writer. A man could get a fame but not a money.

My friend, perhaps Google translator translates correctly. But you wrote nonsense. In Russia there are laws work to protect the copyright.