Strider fakes!

Status
Not open for further replies.
I wouldn't buy one of these, mainly because its stamped Strider. Amazing how that name is basically an anathema to integrity no matter who makes the knives.
 
espnazi said:
No, there are small differences plus making them in china out of the blade steels strider uses would not be the cheapest thing to do since China has some sort of importation tax on some foreign steels. Also in another forum a member says he knows about the maker of these knives. He says the maker/manufacturer is supposedly a Strider fan and he also said that these knives are not meant for the US market.
Click to expand...

Does anyone know if the reason for this is that Strider knives are not available in China to the masses?
 
Turbo Tension said:
Does anyone know if the reason for this is that Strider knives are not available in China to the masses?
Click to expand...

I don't know about the availability of real Strider but as far as I know there are no strider dealers in China or CRK for that matter.


After some more research the strider fakes sell for a little more than $70 in china, These are offered only in china by dealers who sell this manufacturers product. The only reason they make their way to the US is the resellers from china who put them up for sale on aliexpress or similar sites at an elevated price($100-$150).


Edit: there are CRK dealers in China just not Strider.
 
Last edited:
Who is the manufacturer?

espnazi said:
I don't know about the availability of real Strider but as far as I know there are no strider dealers in China or CRK for that matter.


After some more research the strider fakes sell for a little more than $70 in china, These are offered only in china by dealers who sell this manufacturers product. The only reason they make their way to the US is the resellers from china who put them up for sale on aliexpress or similar sites at an elevated price($100-$150).
Click to expand...
 
HATORI HANZO said:
Who is the manufacturer?
Click to expand...
There are quite a lot of knife counterfeit made in China. Some are manufacturers like mgknives in hongkang (http://www.mgknives.com/cp_class_list.asp?cp_big_class_id=36). Some are knife makers like along( http://hi.baidu.com/alongknives/album)
I don't consider design copying as stealing or crime, as long as it's not claimed real. I laughed all day when I heard Apple claimed only iphone could legally use glass/steel outfit and touch control system and lots of other designs.
 
gentlenado said:
There are quite a lot of knife counterfeit made in China. Some are manufacturers like mgknives in hongkang (http://www.mgknives.com/cp_class_list.asp?cp_big_class_id=36). Some are knife makers like along( http://hi.baidu.com/alongknives/album)
I don't consider design copying as stealing or crime, as long as it's not claimed real. I laughed all day when I heard Apple claimed only iphone could legally use glass/steel outfit and touch control system and lots of other designs.
Click to expand...

So, what do you consider this? (from the site you linked)

201165005237910.jpg



They stamped it with the Strider name and logo (on the other side). They might not be outwardly claiming it's another person's design, but they certainly went out of their way to make it look like one. With the Sebenza as well.
 
I have no problem with that if they don't claim it's produced by strider then charge me $400 for it. For example, if someone makes fake strider with exactly same s30v blade, same ti scale, same hardware and same accuracy as original one, hell I will pay $300 for it, if they use s90v, I pay $450. They can stamp it or not I don't care but don't tell us it's from Strider. Which means, if they are trying to trick people like you who don't buy counterfeit, that's wrong. But while they are telling you it's a counterfeit, you can just ignore it, because it's not for you.
scouter27 said:
So, what do you consider this? (from the site you linked)

201165005237910.jpg



They stamped it with the Strider name and logo (on the other side). They might not be outwardly claiming it's another person's design, but they certainly went out of their way to make it look like one. With the Sebenza as well.
Click to expand...
 
I saw a show on CNBC about counterfeiting. Pretty much all goods were from the orient. They said it was the biggest earning industry ever. Larger grossing than any legitimate business. Even larger grossing than illegal drug sales. Pathetic, just pathetic.
 
If they sold it for what it was I could care less. Don't say its a knife its not and I'm cool. That being said if the price was right I would buy 3 or 4 different designs with utter relish. Sure I could afford the real thing but I don't want to, that's the difference. In no way, shape, or form would I even spend that kind of money on knives so I'm not really a possible customer anyway.

Also, for all the people on their anti-copying high horse... what OS are your running? It better be Linux based because Microsoft has committed the most copyright infringement of any company I know of. A lot of American developers and programmers lost their jobs during the tech boom as Microsoft shamelessly copied their ideas and code before running them out of the market.
 
Thomas W said:
If the educated consumers take these types of roads to their knife purchases both now and in the future, the US manufacturers of this industry are further challenged. One certainly can't complain about the lack of US manufacturer's and/or American made offerings with such an attitude. Let's hope we're all (USA factories) still above water in the future.
Click to expand...

For a long time US companies have been outsourcing to Chinese companies, if anyone is to blame its the big US companies and in the knife scene alone there are only a few of those larger production makers who don't outsource if any at all now (and if you look at cars they've been outsourcing a lot of stuff for generations). When you have 350 million people, and a very small percentage of them seek to import reproductions that is still a single drop in a very large pond.

If I get one of these, it will be to mod and will stick the blade in the mill and remove the strider logo with a tungsten end mill...
 
This thread is half useful posts and half people who spend too much time worrying about what others purchase with their hard earned cash. If you think it is "immoral" or "unethical" to purchase this fake, then don't buy one. If someone else feels as though they would like to purchase one with the cash that they earned, then you shouldn't care. I personally hate the idea of owning a fake. I am not morally opposed to it. There is something about owning a legit piece that will never accompany a fake. I am personally in awe at the fact that people are in awe over this knife. Yes, counterfeiting happens, but in a world filled with murder, rape, pedophilia, kidnapping, etc.; it's the act of counterfeiting that leaves you in awe? As was said previous, if you're using any piece of technology right now; chances are there is an ongoing court case that has to do with copyright infringement. Apple and Samsung are going on two years in court now because of a touchscreen copyright that both parties clain the other one stole from them.

To the gentleman who refused to sell to someone who would purchase this fake blade; I refuse to purchase from you because of your desire to judge someone based on purchasing decisions.

To all: live your life and let others live theirs.
 
What next, fake Hinderer, Busse, Randall, heck throw in a Loveless. Is it just Strider and would consumers be just as eager to purchase their favorite branded fake? I'd hate to buy a fake Hinderer in the Exchange. Good, Bad and Ugly is going to get flooded! :)
 
Murder, rape, pedophilia, kidnapping???? These have what to do with the subject at hand? Copyright infringement? Wrong again. We're talking about outright counterfeiting, complete with logos. Design copying has gone on and will go on forever, as have copyright infringement cases to keep the lawyers fat and happy. See how "in awe" you are when you buy a knife, watch, designer handbag or other luxury item thinking it's a good deal and come to realize it's fake. Perhaps the posters in this thread who rationalize the purchase really will stay completely honest about the fact it's a fake or go to the trouble to mill off the logo. Sooner or later, when these fakes get imported in numbers (also illegal, I might add), the less honorable among us will be passing them off as real. Obviously not in the same league with murder, rape, pedophilia and kidnapping but still fraudulent, illegal and will have a seriously negative effect on our hobby.
 
Murdamook said:
To the gentleman who refused to sell to someone who would purchase this fake blade; I refuse to purchase from you because of your desire to judge someone based on purchasing decisions.

To all: live your life and let others live theirs.
Click to expand...


This leaves me scratching my head... Where to begin... :confused:
 
The main thing this hurts is the second-hand market; it erodes confidence, and rightly so. I'm of the mind that people who really want Striders or Sebenzas will buy Striders or Sebenzas. If someone is willing to settle for a $100 knockoff they probably didn't care enough to spend $3-400 on the original, so there was no lost sale. Where the problem arises is on the second-hand market when someone IS willing to pay $3-400 for the real thing but gets a fake. That is where people should be worried. The same has been true for fake Rolexes since the first one rolled off the line. A far more costly mistake to make, but the idea is the same.

The only way to combat this is to keep people informed, and have someone at Strider be on the forefront of the counterfeit market providing customers with as much information as possible to identify the latest fakes.
 
This also puts a dent in the pockets of Busse, Hinderer and others. Basically small outfits who's main source of income is through their edged products.
 
Matador said:
This also puts a dent in the pockets of Busse, Hinderer and others. Basically small outfits who's main source of income is through their edged products.
Click to expand...

No, no it doesn't. Anyone knowingly buying a counterfeit is not a consumer that would buy from a maker, and those makers don't profit from the secondary market. This is a basic economic data point that's been well known for many, many years.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top