Strider Knives.

Hair said:
Spyderco has similar if not inferior fit and finish as Strider. But at a lower price point, people are not expecting much and many Spyderco buyers

I've inspected a lot of Spyderco knives and I made a point of looking for poor fit, play in the locked blade etc. Saw none of it.

...cutting through hard plastic strap day in and day out.... The SMF goes above and beyond. I think you do not understand what I mean by "plastic strap". It is very thick, and very hard. Every one of my knives requires VERY aggressive sawing to get through the strap, and it takes a bit of time as well.

And you use your own $400 knife for this? :eek: Don't your employers provide you with the right tool? BTW, what are you, someone who unpacks stuff at the back of a store? If so, props to you for spending so very much of your income on a knife!

Out of the box sharpness is only one measure of a knife... and it is a pretty much meaningless one.

The owners of the largest knife store I've been to told me that sharpness and its retention is THE biggest selling point to buyers, so you are wrong there.

why badmouth great knives? Envy? Ignorance? Nothing better to discuss?

No, I appreciated the fella's questioning of the price of Strider knives, and I've enjoyed the answers. It's all relevant, the best stuff for these forums.

...the Manix, which is ***comparitively*** a rip-off.

Steady on! Heehee, tempers are flaring. :D

It is not because I am insecure in my purchase.

You are, somewhat, but I can sympathize.
 
Hair said:
lastic pallet strap at work with almost all of my knives and almost all of them sustain some sort of edge damage. A knife does not cease to be fantastic just because the edge rolls or chips when cutting through hard plastic strap day in and day out. The SMF goes above and beyond. I think you do not understand what I mean by "plastic strap". It is very thick, and very hard. Every one of my knives requires VERY aggressive sawing to get through the strap, and it takes a bit of time as well.

Thick plastic is extremely hard to push cut, in many cases a serrated edge is better or even a fine saw. If you have the ability to baton into the plastic it or hook the blade under it and then pull up it may cut easier depending on the thickness. You can also get hook blades for Stanley knives which work well on thin plastics, 1/8" or so.

It is interesting that the edges are getting damaged though as plastic is pretty soft compared to steel so unless the edges are really thin and acute it just bends out of the way before the steel is overstressed even if you get really aggressive and twist it. However there have been frequent reports of S30V blades chipping on plastic ties.

How extensive is the damage, can you see it or is just felt by thumbnail?

mamba-man said:
The owners of the largest knife store I've been to told me that sharpness and its retention is THE biggest selling point to buyers, so you are wrong there.

Generally Bladeforums posters don't well represent the majority of the buying public. For someone who sharpens his knives readily without significant difficulty, lack of initial sharpness isn't likely to be a major detraction.

-Cliff
 
edamhcneb said:
Sorry to jump in on this thread, but I have a serious question for some of you Strider owners.

I just got my 1st strider knife in a trade about a week ago and while admiring it I noticed a split in one of the washers (check out the photo).

My question: Is this something that is normal or was I traded a defective knife?

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No, that is exactly how they are supposed to be. This information is directly from Strider.
 
razorsdescent said:
Its quite alright. I was in a lock up facility when i was young ( read juvie). When i was in there i got shanked with mechanical pencils and screwdrivers. I also have been stabbed in the right shoulder with a cheap stilleto. But i have straightened out my life:thumbup: and am joining the army.
Good to hear it. I figured it was something like that. Or you live in South Central LA with a "I hate XXXXXXX" sign on you at all times. :p
beefangusbeef said:
Yesterday we were comparing pocket knives and to my amazement out popped 4 emersons, 3 spyderco, 1 benchmade, and 1 strider. Maybe the guys around me like to spend money on knives and such instead of evos and WRX's..... Yeah it's still a rarity most guys would rather drop 300 or 400 on an ipod or a camera than a knife or weapons sight.
That is true. You have found the one-in-a-thousand guy with a Strider. Befriend him. This way when they say "you spent how much on that knife", you have some backup. LOL Yes there are far more EVO VIII's and STI's on base than well equipped troops. That I am sure of.

Paul Bos still does some of the heat treating on Strider blades, however his treatment is also done by Strider Knives at thier own facility. If the blade is stamped BOS then he did it. If it isn't stamped then it still has the treatment, but done by one of the Strider guys.

Hair said:
Sorry to post again after that rant, but I want to say that I just got a John W Smith framelock for 475 (same price as an SMF).



For the price, the JWS is a much nicer piece of work. Perfert fit and finish. The satin finish on the blade is beautiful, and the fit is flawless all around.



My SMF is not nearly as good in these reguards. But, I have been using my JWS at work today and I am much moe worried about it than I am my SMF.



Customs may get you better quality for the same price, but I don't think anything other than the XM-18 will give you as much of a tank as the SMF is.



There are a lot of great knives out there. why limit yourself just to the "best bargains"?



Why not just buy what you like?
I used to think like that too. I spent $675.00 on my Darrel Ralph Gunhammer which is a tank. I would put it up agianst any SNG/SMF which is my EDC. I am not worried about messing it up. Yeah it was more money, but it is a flawless example of what I deem the best hard working knife out there. I won't say "tactial" knife because I am starting to boycot that phrase.
 
When in doubt remeber that arguing on the internet is like being in hte speacial olympics. Even if you win you are still a retard.
 
When in doubt remeber that arguing on the internet is like being in hte special olympics. Even if you win you are still a retard.

The Special Olympics has nothing to do with mental capacity. It is about participants with PHYSICAL DISABILITIES.

Hair said:
No, it is because of the more obtuse edge bevel (which can be changed on the Manix) and the fact that a "one-off" or small batch heat treat will be more consistant than a large batch. There is nothing magic about either knife. The Strider has a thicker blade and at least a more consistant if not flatly better heat treat.

Have you tried to microbevel the Manix to raise the edge angle? If you haven't, then your conclusion about the heat-treatment is fairly speculative (concerning this knife).
 
Instead of these pissing matches, how about constructive criticisms instead? All this bashing gets us no where except add more fuel to the fire...
All the original owner did was express his happiness in his purchase. You may not agree with his actions, but he bought it and all that matters is that he enjoys it..
 
I would put it up agianst any SNG/SMF which is my EDC

I looked at one of those too along with an xm-18. I think the problem is with return times for work and repair with a lot of custom makers it's like playing russian roulette, but it's a lot easier (usually) to get something fixed quickly with a factory knife. Those gunhammers are nice handled a proto the other day.
 
beefangusbeef said:
I looked at one of those too along with an xm-18. I think the problem is with return times for work and repair with a lot of custom makers it's like playing russian roulette, but it's a lot easier (usually) to get something fixed quickly with a factory knife. Those gunhammers are nice handled a proto the other day.
I beat on mine pretty heavily since last December when I got mine from Darrel at the Chesapeake Knife Show. The assist spring popped out of its track when I dropped it on the ground so I ended up sending it back to him to have it cleaned up and fixed. Turnaround was one week! I sent it on a Wednesday, he got it Saturday and I got it back the following Wednesday. That is customer service.:thumbup: The knife is better than ever and there have been no problems since. The problem was a handle screw that was too long, but either way it was fixed fast. The knife is totaly reliable and built strong as a tank. I ordered another one for this years show. This time with a bowie blade.
 
Cliff- The edge damage is very small. Sometimes not visable, other times it is. Usually rolling not chipping. And almost always only after cutting a lot of strap.

USAFSP- I am not afriad to use my JWS. I brought it to work, and I used it a lot. I used it to cut the thick, hard plastic strap before I posted, and after I posted (and then we started running at work), I had to use it to cut the thinner strap on our bundle strappers when they got caught. I enjoy using it. But custom or not, the SMF is more of a tank and I *know* I can abuse it more. If a knife was a custom and just as much of a tank as the SMF, I would use it like an SMF too. My point was not that no custom is as tank-like as an SMF- I know there are. And I was not saying that one should use a custom or a more expensive knife for only lighter duties. I believe the strength of a knife should determine how hard you use it, not the price or rarity. I see knives as tools and and the abilities of the tool should determine what you do with it. I do not hold back with a knife just because it costs more. In fact, it is the cheaper knives that I tend to baby. But for 475, while you can get a custom for that money, there are not many customs that are just as strong and the same price or cheaper (the XM-18 is the only that comes to mind, though there may be more). I am just answering the "for 475, I can buy a custom" arguement because while you can buy a custom for 475, it will not automatically be better or stronger than a production Strider just because it was hand-made by one person. Many knives sold as "customs" are even more of a production knife than a Strider. So I find that arguement silly (yes, silly), since a knife is a knife and labels like "custom" don't really mean anything- the knife should be judged on its merit.

There are many customs for 500 and less that have better fit and finish than a Strider, but not many that are overall better knives, or stronger. A matter of opinion of course- but the fact that people can get a custom for 475 and many buy a Strider instead says something.

mamba-man said:
I've inspected a lot of Spyderco knives and I made a point of looking for poor fit, play in the locked blade etc. Saw none of it.
You need to look harder. Spyderco's fit and finish is not perfect and many of them have play. Their fit and finish is no better than Strider, if not worse. The difference is the price. For the money, many feel you should get better fit and finish with a Strider, and better consistancy with the quality control. Do not kid yourself into thinking that Spyderco has perfect fit and finish, and consistancy, and that none of them have blade play. You either have a very bad eye, or are just flat out lying.

mamba-man said:
And you use your own $400 knife for this? :eek: Don't your employers provide you with the right tool? BTW, what are you, someone who unpacks stuff at the back of a store? If so, props to you for spending so very much of your income on a knife!
I work at a newspaper. If I am going to pay 475 for a knife, I am going to use it. If I am not going to use it, I will not buy it. The SMF is worth 475 because it is *THAT* good as a user. So, to not use it would be a waste of that money. The SMF is, IMO, about 800 dollars worth of user. Not an art knife. Not a display item. For 475 it is a bargain. And it must be used to be worth the price.

mamba-man said:
The owners of the largest knife store I've been to told me that sharpness and its retention is THE biggest selling point to buyers, so you are wrong there.
No I am not. I did not saying it is not the biggest selling point. People are stupid and will buy things for stupid reasons. Out of the box sharpness is nearly meaningless because when you use a knife, it dulls. And then you must sharpen it. Just because some ignorant people value out of the box sharpness above all else does not mean the Manix is a better knife. After both have been used, out of the box sharpness means nothing.



mamba-man said:
No, I appreciated the fella's questioning of the price of Strider knives, and I've enjoyed the answers. It's all relevant, the best stuff for these forums.
I was not refering to asking why they cost what they do. I was refering to the bashing.

mamba-man said:
You are, somewhat, but I can sympathize.
No, I really am not. I am not insecure about my purchase at all. In fact, my SMF is one of my top 3 best purchases in my life. There is no reason to be insecure about buying a great knife. I reply because I do not like seeing good products badmouthed by people that are insecure in *their* choices.
 
robertmegar said:
I thought Paul Bos stopped doing the HT for Strider!!!!

Paul Bos' original company is still around and is still doing the HT for Strider but you will not see the 'BOS' stamping on the current production Striders. Same BOS machinery and process just different people manning the machines as stated by Rob of Strider in the Badlands Forums. I have the same faith in my current (non-BOS stamped) SnG as with any previou BOS stamped Strider.
 
kel_aa said:
The Special Olympics has nothing to do with mental capacity. It is about participants with PHYSICAL DISABILITIES.

Off topic alert (on my part). The Special Olympics is for those with intellectual, not physical disabilities. See (if you care) www.specialolympics.org, where it states "Special Olympics - reaching out to more than 190 million people with intellectual disabilities." Just FYI. :thumbup:

Back on topic, I've been laying low reading this thread and will continue to do so. Its a good one. I don't care for Mick Strider's personality, but I intend to own one of his folders. I like the toughness and the look, and in more general terms just plain like things that are difficult to break. I've been jonesing for one for quite some time. Large Sebenza will carry me along until I find $400 I don't know what to do with.

cheers
 
You need to look harder. Spyderco's fit and finish is not perfect and many of them have play. Their fit and finish is no better than Strider,

I think that's statement is impossible to prove one way or the other, especially when you see things like this:

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DaveH said:
I think that's statement is impossible to prove one way or the other, especially when you see things like this:

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Oh, come on Dave, you are too hard on them. For one thing, it's a hard use knife built for hard people, so you can't expect it to be perfect, and for another, just send it back and Mick will make it right. :jerkit: I wonder if Mick has a magic ointment to grow fingers back when the lock disengages...

I also find Mick to be a fairly unlikeable guy, but I do plan to buy a Strider in the very near future. I just don't think it will be a folder... :)
 
OilMan said:
Send an email to striderguys@striderknives.com and ask them if the washer is supposed to have the break in it. I don't think mine do but it's been a while since I took one apart. They might even be willing to send you a new washer but if not you could send it in and they will make it right and sharpen it if needed. For $15.

ps. I don't think it would matter performancewise but I'm not an engineer either.


Not to Intrude, as I am new. But do you think the person should have to pay a penny if the product is defective. I would think the company would pay to have the product picked up and shipped back all free of charge. To me this would make a good company. so Im paying them for there Mistakes.

seems rather strange to me, even stranger that some would pay that.



Rick
 
Reader1956 said:
Not to Intrude, as I am new. But do you think the person should have to pay a penny if the product is defective. I would think the company would pay to have the product picked up and shipped back all free of charge. To me this would make a good company. so Im paying them for there Mistakes.

seems rather strange to me, even stranger that some would pay that.



Rick

Those are the terms of the warranty you agree to be bound by when you purchase the knife. It sucks, but it is perfectly legal. As far as I know, Spyderco, Benchmade, and many other companies have similar warranty terms; you pay the shipping & handling.

That is why I happen to think a consumer should always check the manufacturer's warranty PRIOR to purchasing the product. A consumer should also look for product reviews (like here on these forums), to see if QC is a serious issue with the manufacturer they are considering purchasing from.

All the best,
3G
 
But do you think the person should have to pay a penny if the product is defective. I would think the company would pay to have the product picked up and shipped back all free of charge. To me this would make a good company

I don't think I've ever known once for a company to pay for shipping on service charges. With most of the strider knives I've handled there isn't anything "defective" someone is just looking for it to be perfect. Either the blade isn't centered, a grind isn't perfect, etc. My SMF blade isn't centered when closed, but I don't believe that makes it defective nor do I really care. I was always amazed when I worked at dick's how people would tirelessly look for the 870 with the perfect blue job and complain about how it wasn't perfect. What do you expect? The Remington 870 is made to be used not put up on a pedestal and worshipped.
 
3Guardsmen said:
Those are the terms of the warranty you agree to be bound by when you purchase the knife. It sucks, but it is perfectly legal. As far as I know, Spyderco, Benchmade, and many other companies have similar warranty terms; you pay the shipping & handling.

That is why I happen to think a consumer should always check the manufacturer's warranty PRIOR to purchasing the product. A consumer should also look for product reviews (like here on these forums), to see if QC is a serious issue with the manufacturer they are considering purchasing from.

All the best,
3G

well actually shipping on warrenty repairs on Spyderco and benchmade have always been 100% free, except for the shipping to them. They only ask for return shipping when its for Sharpening but never for warrenty service on both companies outstanding warrenties.

In my searches of the night, Ive seen many posts of men buying there knives from Strider knife company Resellers and having to actually send them right in for the warrenty service. I am wondering if such a thing is also common.

To me this seems worse that outsourced Indian tech support.


There are many companies That i am aware of that will pay for Pickupo services. Some Include Canon, Mitsubishi, NEC, Staples, Global. These are just some ive become used to them having such a service.
 
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