Strider Knives?

[jbombelli]

I don't see anything wrong with someone unfamiliar with a certain company/certain knives asking questions. This is a discussion board after all. However, I am sick of seeing every Strider thread turn into a clusterf!#k between Strider and CRK. If you can''t stay on topic then don't post. Strider =/= CRK, so stop bringing it up. Also, if you don't own or haven't owned a current Strider knife then you really shouldn't post. QC has gone up from what I've read/seen, my SNG has a centered blade with none of these problems I see the same people mention over and over. You at one time owned an SNG, good for you but it doesn't help if it years ago when the QC wasn't the best. And if you don't even own a Strider then don't post. I've seen this way too much around here, people hear the "groups opinion" and just go with it without ever owning the knife.

The OP asked a question about Strider knives, not a comparison with other knives, not about CRK, not about your opinion if you've never owned a Strider. It's always the same people that show up to say "CRK are better." "Strider sucks!" "I have no idea about Strider but I heard some things so I'm not supporting them!" "Striders are the best!" Just give an honest opinion, is it so hard?

You forgot a couple. Like the guy that shows up and bitches about what everybody else has said because he's sick of reading it. THAT guy should ignore Strider threads. And the guy who owns ONE Strider knife, that had no problems, and therefore thinks everyone else is full of BS when they report THEIR problems.

And let's not forget the guys who simply don't care about all the things Mick Strider did to build his business, don't care about all the people in our armed forces he insulted and impugned.


The bottom line: Strider is a controversial brand to say the least. Strider threads will always go like this. I suggest staying out of them if you don't want to read these things.

 

[knerd]

You forgot a couple. Like the guy that shows up and bitches about what everybody else has said because he's sick of reading it. THAT guy should ignore Strider threads. And the guy who owns ONE Strider knife, that had no problems, and therefore thinks everyone else is full of BS when they report THEIR problems.

And let's not forget the guys who simply don't care about all the things Mick Strider did to build his business, don't care about all the people in our armed forces he insulted and impugned.

You forget that I actually gave my honest opinion on MY SNG in my first post. I never said I'm sick of reading the other posts, I said I'm sick of seeing every Strider thread turn into a comparison between Strider's and CRK's. Never said anything about everyone else being full of BS. Try not to jump to too many conclusions when reading my posts (big pet peeve of mine).

I don't care about the companies past, I like the knives and I paid for a knife.

 

[John T Wylie Jr]

This thread is worthless without picts....

 

[redisburning]

IMO you are a free loader if what YOU did caused the knife to fail and then you EXPECT that the manufacturer should repair or replace the knife for FREE!

I paid for it in the price of the knife.

Think about an SnG as being a 300 dollar knife with a 100 dollar insurance policy that is a no questions asked (assuming you dont pimp your knife), life time insurance policy.

Because that is what it's sold as and I paid for that, I sure as hell expect to get my knife fixed if it breaks, regardless of what I was doing with it. Luckily for me, Strider does just that.

 

[J85909266]

I don't see anything wrong with someone unfamiliar with a certain company/certain knives asking questions. This is a discussion board after all. However, I am sick of seeing every Strider thread turn into a clusterf!#k between Strider and CRK. If you can''t stay on topic then don't post. Strider =/= CRK, so stop bringing it up. Also, if you don't own or haven't owned a current Strider knife then you really shouldn't post. QC has gone up from what I've read/seen, my SNG has a centered blade with none of these problems I see the same people mention over and over. You at one time owned an SNG, good for you but it doesn't help if it years ago when the QC wasn't the best. And if you don't even own a Strider then don't post. I've seen this way too much around here, people hear the "groups opinion" and just go with it without ever owning the knife.

The OP asked a question about Strider knives, not a comparison with other knives, not about CRK, not about your opinion if you've never owned a Strider. It's always the same people that show up to say "CRK are better." "Strider sucks!" "I have no idea about Strider but I heard some things so I'm not supporting them!" "Striders are the best!" Just give an honest opinion, is it so hard?

:thumbdn: The OP specifically asked if they are worth the price, so it is only natural that comparisons will be made with other knives in the price range. There is a reason that Busses and CRKs come up in every Strider discussion, it's because they are the other popular companies in Strider's demographic.

Ever wonder why Benchmade, Spyderco and Kershaw always wind up together in conversations? Yeah, same reason, because they are all brands competing in the same demographic amongst enthusiasts.

It is perfectly relevant to the discussion and topic post. How else are you to explain why you feel positively or poorly about a product without drawing relevant comparisons?

 

[knerd]

:thumbdn: The OP specifically asked if they are worth the price, so it is only natural that comparisons will be made with other knives in the price range. There is a reason that Busses and CRKs come up in every Strider discussion, it's because they are the other popular companies in Strider's demographic.

Ever wonder why Benchmade, Spyderco and Kershaw always wind up together in conversations? Yeah, same reason, because they are all brands competing in the same demographic amongst enthusiasts.

It is perfectly relevant to the discussion and topic post. How else are you to explain why you feel positively or poorly about a product without drawing relevant comparisons?

I understand where you're coming from, but fail to see how comparing Strider knives to other companies/brands has any relevance to the topic of "Are Strider's worth the price tag?" Not to mention every Strider thread turns into this debate between CRK's and Strider's. It's comparing completely different products just because they're around the same price. Apples to oranges.

The OP is asking for opinions about Strider Knives and not for a comparison of products. Are Strider's worth the price implies questions about the specific knives (Strider knives in this case), not other knives.

*ETA, I also hate when other brands (Spyderco, Benchmade, Kershaw) get brought up in topics asking about a specific brand. Just because it's what happens regularly around here doesn't mean it's right. If someone wants info on Spyderco knives why would someone post about Benchmade/Kershaw? I fail to see the logic in that, and that's exactly what's happening here.

 

[redisburning]

I understand where you're coming from, but fail to see how comparing Strider knives to other companies/brands has any relevance to the topic of "Are Strider's worth the price tag?" Not to mention every Strider thread turns into this debate between CRK's and Strider's. It's comparing completely different products just because they're around the same price. Apples to oranges.

The OP is asking for opinions about Strider Knives and not for a comparison of products. Are Strider's worth the price implies questions about the specific knives (Strider knives in this case), not other knives.

*ETA, I also hate when other brands (Spyderco, Benchmade, Kershaw) get brought up in topics asking about a specific brand. Just because it's what happens regularly around here doesn't mean it's right. If someone wants info on Spyderco knives why would someone post about Benchmade/Kershaw? I fail to see the logic in that, and that's exactly what's happening here.

because consumers will act rationally through the allocation of scarce resources (ie monies) to maximize utility (ie enjoyment).

something is only worth the money if there are not near substitutes of a sufficiently higher enjoyment/cash ratio.

if a knife costs 400 dollars but only delivers enjoyment to the owner equal to some or many 100 dollar knives it is not worth the money. CRK & Strider is a good comparison because you compare similar prices and similar materials, and each has their own thing that they offer and you can decide which fits your needs better. if you dont like, I suggest skipping on down to the next post. Im not going to tell you what is/isnt appropriate since it's not my place or decision, but I might suggest to you that you could better spend your time doing something else if certain things anger you.

 

[knerd]

I still fail to see how asking about a certain brand of knives should involve comparisons. People are just trying to argue. Again, comparing CRK's to Strider's is apples to oranges. Designs are totally different, specs are different, costs are even different, the list goes on. Strider's imo are overpriced, but I can't find any other knife out there like the SNG that even compares to the design/materials.

 

[mongomondo]

You can still compare the value a Strider gives you vs. other brands and knives. Taking such a parochial approach when evaluating a knife isn't a good way to get the best bang for your buck.

There's nothing wrong with arguing. This is a forum, a place where you discuss things. It won't harm anyone to view all their options when they are spending 400 clams.

 

[J85909266]

I understand where you're coming from, but fail to see how comparing Strider knives to other companies/brands has any relevance to the topic of "Are Strider's worth the price tag?"

It's directly relevant because in order for something to be worth any more than anything else, it must be comparatively better. That's pretty simple, logic, man. I don't know how else to explain it to you.

Strider and CRK are both knife companies, both use similar and mostly the same material and they both are in the same price range. They both appeal to the same kind of customers.

The only difference is that they are geared towards different niche groups in the knife community. Even then, most enthusiasts own models from both, as a knife lover is a knife lover.

Again, I have a very hard time understanding why you don't get how they both come up when mentioning the relative worth of their products, as they are directly comparable.

 

[knerd]

It's directly relevant because in order for something to be worth any more than anything else, it must be comparatively better. That's pretty simple, logic, man. I don't know how else to explain it to you.

Strider and CRK are both knife companies, both use similar and mostly the same material and they both are in the same price range. They both appeal to the same kind of customers.

The only difference is that they are geared towards different niche groups in the knife community. Even then, most enthusiasts own models from both, as a knife lover is a knife lover.

Again, I have a very hard time understanding why you don't get how they both come up when mentioning the relative worth of their products, as they are directly comparable.

It's pretty easy actually. When someone asks about a Strider knife (in this case) you discuss Strider knives. When someone asks if they are worth the price you either say yes or no and possibly give examples behind your reasoning. I see where comparing can get added to the discussion here, but it's not directly related to the discussion because the OP wants to know about Strider Knives. I could compare buying a Spyderco at full MSRP to buying an SNG, say both are around the same price, see how it's inneffective comparing two different knives because they're around the same price/materials? People asking about Strider's are obviously drawn to the designs and probably don't care about other knives currently, hence why this is a "Strider Knives?" thread. I understand where you're getting at about comparing the quality of different knives, but this isn't a Strider vs. Sebenza thread (like I posted earlier, every Strider thread somehow turns into one). Do you see? When someone asks about a specific knife why bring in other knives when it's unwarranted. If someone asks about a G-Shock watch, would you mention a completely different watch that costs the same? I'd hope not. I don't get how people don't understand this. I have a lot more examples I can give if it's still not clicking...

I completely understand about comparing products, but there's no need for it when no one is asking.

Here's another example that might help. Say someone is looking at getting a Hummer, knowing full well that they're gas hogs, and tells a salesman that he's interested in a Hummer. I'd hope that the salesman wouldn't suggest a Toyota just because of their opinion on Hummers. This is not to say that the salesman won't try to sell a different car, but they'll likely lose the business of that customer. Bottom line, if someone's looking for a specific brand (be it cars, knives, watches, clothing) they aren't interested in the competition/a comparison. See how a Hummer vs. Toyota discussion would be completely off topic when discussing Hummers? Same scenario here.

 

[J85909266]

It's pretty easy actually. When someone asks about a Strider knife (in this case) you discuss Strider knives. When someone asks if they are worth the price you either say yes or no and possibly give examples behind your reasoning. I see where comparing can get added to the discussion here, but it's not directly related to the discussion because the OP wants to know about Strider Knives. I could compare buying a Spyderco at full MSRP to buying an SNG, say both are around the same price, see how it's inneffective comparing two different knives because they're around the same price/materials? People asking about Strider's are obviously drawn to the designs and probably don't care about other knives currently, hence why this is a "Strider Knives?" thread. I understand where you're getting at about comparing the quality of different knives, but this isn't a Strider vs. Sebenza thread (like I posted earlier, every Strider thread somehow turns into one). Do you see? When someone asks about a specific knife why bring in other knives when it's unwarranted. If someone asks about a G-Shock watch, would you mention a completely different watch that costs the same? I'd hope not. I don't get how people don't understand this. I have a lot more examples I can give if it's still not clicking...

I completely understand about comparing products, but there's no need for it when no one is asking.

Here's another example that might help. Say someone is looking at getting a Hummer, knowing full well that they're gas hogs, and tells a salesman that he's interested in a Hummer. I'd hope that the salesman wouldn't suggest a Toyota just because of their opinion on Hummers. This is not to say that the salesman won't try to sell a different car, but they'll likely lose the business of that customer. Bottom line, if someone's looking for a specific brand (be it cars, knives, watches, clothing) they aren't interested in the competition/a comparison. See how a Hummer vs. Toyota discussion would be completely off topic when discussing Hummers? Same scenario here.

You're logic is really, really bad.

Comparing Spyderco MSRP is irrelevant because Spydercos are not purchased at MSRP. CRK and Strider are...see where I'm going with this, the whole parallels between the two companies thing that I mentioned earlier?

To identify the value of something, it must be compared to it's competition.

"Hey, I'm a knife enthusiast, and I'm interested in Strider, are they worth the price?"

How are you to help this person, based on your knowledge, without drawing comparisons?

My logic is sound, yours is not. I'm stepping away from the discussion, at this point because there is nothing more that can be said. If you don't get it, then I may as well move on.

 

[SteelSnob]

Well my experience with the Strider PT I have I would say no they're not worth it. Knife came bad, sent it in, sent many emails and made phonecalls got one response, when 2 1/2 months went by I sent a email asking what the heck is going on and got a response saying they fixed the knife and did what I requested. Got the knife back and the blade is still uncentered, they sharpened it and left half the blade dull, the lock sticks bad, and the tip of the blade is exposed( which I didn't notice at first but STR did and he ground it down so it's at least safe to carry) so they basically lied to me in when they specificaly said the blade was no centered when I asked and I'm not happy with their CS to say the least. The one thing they did do was smooth out the action but it's still rougher and harder to open/close than any other knife I own, my hand it sore right now from operating it in attempts to maybe break it in.

Yes they have a warranty but after my experience with their HORRIBLE CS I doubt I will be using the warranty even if it's free. I would rather pay someone else to fix rather than wait forever and then get a knife back that didn't have what I asked for done. It is a good knife somewhat and I will still carry it but if it were up to me I never want to deal with Strider's CS ever again.

it's a digi camo blade but here's a pic. STR had to gring the spine to get rid of the very exposed tip. And notice the blade is still uncentered? Like I said it's a good knife that I will use but it's dissapointing to get CS that bad.

 

[SteelSnob]

Here's a pic after STR ground it down so you can imagine how exposed it was.

 

[knerd]

You're logic is really, really bad.

Comparing Spyderco MSRP is irrelevant because Spydercos are not purchased at MSRP. CRK and Strider are...see where I'm going with this, the whole parallels between the two companies thing that I mentioned earlier?

To identify the value of something, it must be compared to it's competition.

"Hey, I'm a knife enthusiast, and I'm interested in Strider, are they worth the price?"

How are you to help this person, based on your knowledge, without drawing comparisons?

My logic is sound, yours is not. I'm stepping away from the discussion, at this point because there is nothing more that can be said. If you don't get it, then I may as well move on.

Just can't leave the arguement without the last word?

It's easy to help someone asking if a knife is worth the price. Describe the knife. Discuss the materials. Talk about the quality. Talk about origin of production. Talk about the blade steel. Discuss the design. Mention pros and cons.

There's no need for comparison. If you really think my logic/common sense is flawed then care to shed some light on the examples from my previous post(s)?

To identify the value of something, it must be compared to it's competition.

If you have to compare something every time you need to determine its quality/value then that's pretty sad.

 

[J85909266]

There is no quality without standards, there are no standards without a basis for comparison. Please, use your brain.

 

[knerd]

There is no quality without standards, there are no standards without a basis for comparison. Please, use your brain.

You just can't stop can you? Keep fueling the argument, comparing different products is irrelevant to the topic when the intent of this thread was to get opinions about Strider knives and the quality/value of said knives.

Keep the insults coming.

 

[Bierkameel]

I owned 4 SNG's and only 1 was perfect, the other 3 all had little flaws.
Sold all of them and got a Extrema Ratio MF0, I would call this a Italian Strider and it's perfect, really solid and a good design.

 

[effer]

There's no need for comparison. If you really think my logic/common sense is flawed then care to shed some light on the examples from my previous post(s)?

If you have to compare something every time you need to determine its quality/value then that's pretty sad.

In most cases consumer is trying to find the value of a product.

Value definition (from the dictionary):
–noun
relative worth, merit, or importance

Relative definition (from the dictionary):
–adjective
considered in relation to something else; comparative.

As you can see, drawing a comparison when trying to determine value is very logical.




Back to the topic:
I see the value in Strider. I like the design, comfort, toughness. I like the warranty. As someone before mentioned, it is good to evaluate Strider as knife+warranty. It is a shame if quality control is still lacking and customer support is not as responsive as it should be when selling such a high dollar product. On the other hand, if knife gets seriously damaged, gets broken in half due to hard use or abuse, the fact that one can get a replacement even if it is a one of a kind knife (like their customs) is pretty darn good. How much is it worth? Well, if one doesn't use knives hard, it might not worth too much. But if your knife use goes beyond cutting, then it might worth a lot.

My suggestion to people looking to buy a Strider is to get one form a reputable source where initial quality can be checked before shipping by a distributor. Or better yet, buy one on a secondary market. If not clear, ask questions about the blade centering, lock action etc. This way you will not have to deal with quality control issues.

 

[knerd]

I'll get back on topic, sick of trying to argue my point.

Is it worth the value? It depends on what you do with the knife, if you buy a Strider just for eye candy then it's definitely not worth the price. If you buy a Strider to use then you'll probably find more value in the knife. Value is subjective, and goes hand in hand with personal opinion. Price doesn't necessarily correspond with value. I don't determine value by direct comparison or price, but rather through my personal experience. I actually use my knives and that's the main determining factor in the overall value I find in a knife. Example, I value my Spyderco Paramilitary more than my Strider SNG when it comes to the task of slicing, however I value my SNG more when it comes to ergonomics, strength, and heavier tasks.