Strider Knives?

[jakeyjake4528]

I think the main reason CRK comparisons always find their way in a strider thread is because both make framelocks that are quite expensive. Outside of custom, their aren't many manufacturers that sell knives at this price.

Strider owners that bash CRK bash how a sebenza looks, or feels-CRK doesn't really have quality control issues.

Strider makes a knife with less ti, less tolerances-depending on your view, I believe it-they don't include boxes, papers, all things that should lower the cost of their knives.

But they are more, sometimes a lot more. Even strider fans say their knives would be awesome at 100 dollars less.

I own both, and the above is purely my view on all this.

 

[J85909266]

You are correct.
However, I also wanted to make the point that some remain blindly loyal to their particular brand despite the obvious shortcomings in design, ergonomics and/or construction.

This very true, but it is not the reason CRK comes up often in Strider threads.

Most Strider owners, including myself, acknowledge the occasional shortcomings of Striders, i.e. military type f&f. We may put up wth such issues because few other knive offer the same combo of design, strength and ergos.

There are many shortcomings to notice with Strider knives. There are very relevant shortcomings to notice in, literally, every aspect of their company and management. It's actually outrageous. Honestly, the blind fanboyism you mentioned earlier, and a well established market is the only thing keeping the company successful.

Few CRK owners, besides myself, acknowledge the shortcomings of the design(s) of those knives.

There are very few relevant shortcomings with CRK when compared to Strider, but there are some: The serrations and use of stainless steel on fixed blades marketed for hard use, when the bar for hard use is too high, at this point to allow such flaws in design, and the lack of consideration for customer input are the two largest issues I have with CRK. They also seem to be adverse to hardening steel at high levels, and I'm not a fan of that, either. I am a big fan, but I acknowledge that things could be better. Still, when discussing relative value, in folders particularly, CRK has Strider trumped for miles.

Strider owners rarely chime in on CRK threads that don't pertain to both brands. On the other hand, many CRK owners can't help but interject their blindly loyal opinion in Strider threads that don't pertain to both brands.

They rarely chime in because Strider is the heel of the high end knife demographic. Their marketing and owners have been exposed for ridiculous frauds, they overprice their knives and match nowhere near the level of quality and finish in their competitors. When you consider the attitude of management and the CS track record, it gets even worse. CRK fans and non-biased knife enthusiasts, alike all chime in because Strider knives are overpriced and the company is run by cretins. I honestly feel bad for new knife fans that get suckered into buying this stuff. That's why I chime in, because I want to do my part to direct the inexperienced into what I feel is the right direction.

Start a thread asking if CRKs are "worth it", and you won't see Strider owners crawling out of the woodwork to bash CRKs and promote Striders.

Strider fans won't show their faces because, for one: Strider can't make the claims that CRK can. And secondly, they know that Strider has a lot to be ashamed of, as a high end manufacture, and that they will have very little success making any kind of relevant point.

Start a thread asking if Striders are "worth it" and you will see the opposite happen. This thread, and hundreds of others like it, prove that.

Strider has some very nice knife designs, and they use good materials and offer a great warranty on paper. I would even be willing to forgive them for their marketing shenanigans and lies if they would offer fit and finish on par with other 400+ dollar folders, and take the time and consideration to execute proper customer service practices. If that were the case, I would buy their knives and support them, but as long as I know there is better out there for the price, I will always point uncertain enthusiasts to what I feel is the superior value for the money they want to spend.

 

[wolfmann601]

The most important comment made over there was to simply think with your wallet. If you think Mick's refusal to answer the phone sucks and if you think the comments of his supporters are childish just buy a knife made by someone OTHER than Mick Strider.

makes no sense to even comment about attitudes over there, no one there cares!!!

 

[Josh K]

I think the main reason CRK comparisons always find their way in a strider thread is because both make framelocks that are quite expensive. Outside of custom, their aren't many manufacturers that sell knives at this price.

Strider owners that bash CRK bash how a sebenza looks, or feels-CRK doesn't really have quality control issues.

Strider makes a knife with less ti, less tolerances-depending on your view, I believe it-they don't include boxes, papers, all things that should lower the cost of their knives.

But they are more, sometimes a lot more. Even strider fans say their knives would be awesome at 100 dollars less.

I own both, and the above is purely my view on all this.

I would guess that the G-10 is actually more expensive to mill out then just slapping another piece of titanium on there. It's also provides much more grip.

You think the price should be lowered because they don't ship in a $0.25 cardboard box with a piece of paper?

 

[redisburning]

they overprice their knives and match nowhere near the level of quality and finish in their competitors.

have you considered the possibility that this is your opinion and not fact?

having had both Strider knives and CRK knives, I know that in the future my money will without question go to Strider. My sebenza was flawless in F&F but I didnt want to carry it. It's not that I was afraid I would break it or ruin the value, but because I just didnt want to carry it. IMO the Strider knife design is so much better than the sebenza, in addition to the warranty, that it more than makes up for the F&F.

p.s. email is your friend when it comes to Strider CS

 

[SteelSnob]

p.s. email is your friend when it comes to Strider CS

Not in my experience. I sent many emails in the course of two months and the couple of responses I got turned out to be lies.

I bought one Small Sebenza and got a oppurtunity to deal with CRK CS which was a pleasure and I decided to buy 3 more due to the quality and all the benefits of CRK.

I bought one Strider and had to deal with their CS which took 2 1/2 months and I was left feeling neglected, disrespected as a customer and basically conned. I will never buy another Strider as long as I live. The knife came bad and their inept handling of "Making it right" actually did more harm than good.

To me the idea of CRK vs Strider is silly. Strider is not even close to being in the same league as a company or manufacturer with CRK. Add to that the owners are proven liars and cons I shouldn't be suprised at the con game that is Strider Knives. I had to try it for myself and see and what people said about Strider turned out to be true.

 

[mm3]

have you considered the possibility that this is your opinion and not fact?

having had both Strider knives and CRK knives, I know that in the future my money will without question go to Strider. My sebenza was flawless in F&F but I didnt want to carry it. It's not that I was afraid I would break it or ruin the value, but because I just didnt want to carry it. IMO the Strider knife design is so much better than the sebenza, in addition to the warranty, that it more than makes up for the F&F.

p.s. email is your friend when it comes to Strider CS

I too love the design of my SnG. I own Striders, CRK, XM-18, ect. I prefier the design of the Strider. It would be nice if the SnG had the F&F of my Sebenza or XM-18. The fact that it doesn't still doesn't change the fact that the design is pure awesomeness! I still like and carry my other high end knives but seem to carry the Strider more.

I wish Strider answered the phone and that the F&F would be more up to par with $ amount (not to say the F&F is crap either) they cost but that's not gonna happen. If you can look past those 2 things, then by all means a Strider is for you. If you can't buy something else

 

[Josh K]

I believe Strider still uses some of the cost of consumer (non-military) knives to help discount the knives they sell to the military.

I could be wrong, but I know they started that way.

 

[Pbsteve77]

^^^dang, they sell knives to the military...wish I could have known this before I made my purchase oh well..Thnx to all who recommended suggestions for the G-10 on my GGs.

Before I knew about blade forums, I did not know about the rep strider has with the QC and CS. However, I am sure as a consumer this board and others would have definitely swayed me in another direction for the purchase of my first high end knife. In the end though, my strider has little problems and I love it, just hoping that Strider will come through in the future if something happens to the blade.

 

[SteelSnob]

I've said this before but I also like the design and the HT of their S30V. The design becomes meaningless though when you can barely open the knife, the lock always sticks even with lubrication on it and the tip of the blade is so exposed it caused it to cut someone. I just think the warranty is useless to me because of how bad the service was to make the knife right without even damaging it.

My $30 Kershaw Ener-g beats the the f&f and design exucution by a mile. Plus they actually have CS.

 

[Josh K]

^^^dang, they sell knives to the military...wish I could have known this before I made my purchase oh well..Thnx to all who recommended suggestions for the G-10 on my GGs.

Before I knew about blade forums, I did not know about the rep strider has with the QC and CS. However, I am sure as a consumer this board and others would have definitely swayed me in another direction for the purchase of my first high end knife. In the end though, my strider has little problems and I love it, just hoping that Strider will come through in the future if something happens to the blade.

Well you don't have to get completely sarcastic while you misinterpret what I said.

 

[knerd]

This very true, but it is not the reason CRK comes up often in Strider threads.

There are many shortcomings to notice with Strider knives. There are very relevant shortcomings to notice in, literally, every aspect of their company and management. It's actually outrageous. Honestly, the blind fanboyism you mentioned earlier, and a well established market is the only thing keeping the company successful.

There are very few relevant shortcomings with CRK when compared to Strider, but there are some: The serrations and use of stainless steel on fixed blades marketed for hard use, when the bar for hard use is too high, at this point to allow such flaws in design, and the lack of consideration for customer input are the two largest issues I have with CRK. They also seem to be adverse to hardening steel at high levels, and I'm not a fan of that, either. I am a big fan, but I acknowledge that things could be better. Still, when discussing relative value, in folders particularly, CRK has Strider trumped for miles.

They rarely chime in because Strider is the heel of the high end knife demographic. Their marketing and owners have been exposed for ridiculous frauds, they overprice their knives and match nowhere near the level of quality and finish in their competitors. When you consider the attitude of management and the CS track record, it gets even worse. CRK fans and non-biased knife enthusiasts, alike all chime in because Strider knives are overpriced and the company is run by cretins. I honestly feel bad for new knife fans that get suckered into buying this stuff. That's why I chime in, because I want to do my part to direct the inexperienced into what I feel is the right direction.

Strider fans won't show their faces because, for one: Strider can't make the claims that CRK can. And secondly, they know that Strider has a lot to be ashamed of, as a high end manufacture, and that they will have very little success making any kind of relevant point.

Strider has some very nice knife designs, and they use good materials and offer a great warranty on paper. I would even be willing to forgive them for their marketing shenanigans and lies if they would offer fit and finish on par with other 400+ dollar folders, and take the time and consideration to execute proper customer service practices. If that were the case, I would buy their knives and support them, but as long as I know there is better out there for the price, I will always point uncertain enthusiasts to what I feel is the superior value for the money they want to spend.

And that is not the purpose of this thread. The OP was interested in Striders knives, not CRK or anything else. You personally don't like Strider knives, you've stated it several times, so why are you here posting in a Strider thread? You gave your opinion on the knives, good. You don't need to battle everyone that disagrees with you and you sure as hell don't need to try and convince everyone that CRK's are better.

Opinion isn't fact, if you think CRK's are better than Strider's then good for you, but that's not the purpose of this thread (I find myself repeating this a lot for some odd reason...). Just try to understand not everyone, especially in a Strider thread, is going to like your beloved CRK (I personally hate a lot of the designs). Again, this isn't a debate between Strider and CRK, it's a thread asking about Strider knives.

 

[knerd]

Pics. :thumbup:

I don't see much wrong with fit and function on my SNG. The G10 slab overlaps by like a millimeter which doesn't bother me, everything else is great.

 

[redisburning]

I believe Strider still uses some of the cost of consumer (non-military) knives to help discount the knives they sell to the military.

I could be wrong, but I know they started that way.

They sell the SMF at a significantly discounted price to the military. There is a list of prices and the SMF was, iirc, 100 dollars less. It is also issued to some units.

In the beginning civilian knives were used to offset the price, whether that has continued I dont know.

I don't see much wrong with fit and function on my SNG. The G10 slab overlaps by like a millimeter which doesn't bother me, everything else is great.

Dont you know? It's a strider, so it has to be worse.

I have the exact same deal on my SnG. Im sure a CRK owner would go fricken ballistic over that though, and frankly since that's what they are buying that's fine. TBF it's still better than any benchmade or spyderco (or even emerson) I've ever owned with one exception (gayle bradley folder).

steelsnob at least you speak from personal experience. you might be a little worked up, but I can respect that you arent just copy pasta'ing someone else's thoughts.

 

[unwisefool]

Soooooo... Anybody know where in MD you can at least get to hold a Strider? Any stores sell them?

 

[Josh K]

Pics. :thumbup:

I don't see much wrong with fit and function on my SNG. The G10 slab overlaps by like a millimeter which doesn't bother me, everything else is great.

Nice knife. I have the SMF CC and haven't had any issues with it.

 

[cziv]

I believe Strider still uses some of the cost of consumer (non-military) knives to help discount the knives they sell to the military.

Unless Mr. Strider? is of an unusually charitable nature, this is not the norm.

I was an accountant in the USMC and there are allocated funds that must be spent before the next allotment is given. The brass would be making appointments at closeout time to see, to the penny, how much they'd spent and how much was left to spend.

Fast forward, I sell to Government agencies all of the time and they're by far the most lucrative sales. They'll take 10 of these and 5 of those, even if they're out of stock they want their card charged for the items (high ticket) and ship them whenever they come back into stock. They even tell me they have to spend the money by xx/xx/xxxx. They might spend 5 or 10K and never ask for a discount either.

I apologize for being off topic but the thread has gone here, so I thought you all should know (who don't) that the Military spends our tax dollars like water...but I don't mind when it's coming my way.

 

[tjsulli790]

Unless Mr. Strider? is of an unusually charitable nature, this is not the norm.

I was an accountant in the USMC and there are allocated funds that must be spent before the next allotment is given. The brass would be making appointments at closeout time to see, to the penny, how much they'd spent and how much was left to spend.

Fast forward, I sell to Government agencies all of the time and they're by far the most lucrative sales. They'll take 10 of these and 5 of those, even if they're out of stock they want their card charged for the items (high ticket) and ship them whenever they come back into stock. They even tell me they have to spend the money by xx/xx/xxxx. They might spend 5 or 10K and never ask for a discount either.

I apologize for being off topic but the thread has gone here, so I thought you all should know (who don't) that the Military spends our tax dollars like water...but I don't mind when it's coming my way.

The military doesn't buy Strider knives. If a solider wants a Strider then they have to buy it themselves, that's why they are offered at a cheaper price for them.

 

[Josh K]

Unless Mr. Strider? is of an unusually charitable nature, this is not the norm.

I was an accountant in the USMC and there are allocated funds that must be spent before the next allotment is given. The brass would be making appointments at closeout time to see, to the penny, how much they'd spent and how much was left to spend.

Fast forward, I sell to Government agencies all of the time and they're by far the most lucrative sales. They'll take 10 of these and 5 of those, even if they're out of stock they want their card charged for the items (high ticket) and ship them whenever they come back into stock. They even tell me they have to spend the money by xx/xx/xxxx. They might spend 5 or 10K and never ask for a discount either.

I apologize for being off topic but the thread has gone here, so I thought you all should know (who don't) that the Military spends our tax dollars like water...but I don't mind when it's coming my way.

I understood that they started off selling numbered knives to individuals in the military, and other numbered knives to collectors or non-military personnel. The increased cost to non-military persons helped to offset (discount) some of the cost for the military persons.

So if I bought a knife for $450, some of the (say $100) would go to help offset the cost to a member of the military purchasing a knife. If the "balanced" price is $350, subtract my $100, they are getting a knife for $250.

Like I said, I don't know if they are still doing this or not.

 

[cziv]

I understood that they started off selling numbered knives to individuals in the military

That would make sense then Josh K. An "individual" Army serviceman for instance, would be much different than selling to the U.S. Army. So then, that's a good thing if he does that IMO. Giving the guys in the field or who serve in any capacity is a good thing. I wonder if he'd give a discount to former Marines...lol