Students: Do You Carry At School

I remember one time about fifteen years ago, I was in eigth grade. I took out my new SAK knock off to show A friend.A teacher saw it and said..hey, you can't have A knife here! I said it's not A knife, it's A pocket tool box. She said oh, ok. Of course these days things are different...A friend of the family's son got stabbed at school with an ink pen.............

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I carry a BM Leopard to college all the time. It generally stays in my pocket, but a few times I have pulled it out to cut something and nothing was said. I'm not too worried about it. Now that I think about it; I carried a Buck 500 Duke in a belt pouch through high school as did most other guys did. Times have changed.
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[This message has been edited by Easyrider (edited 07-30-2000).]
 
medusaoblongata,
According to section 626 of the California Penal Code, it is illegal, with a few exceptions, to carry a knife while on campus at any of the UC's, CSU's, or community colleges in our state. Also, a violation of this law can apparently bring a felony or misdeanor charge in addition to getting you thrown out of school.
Despite the harsh penalties I would face if caught, I carry my Emerson CQC7 with me each day at SFSU. I feel that the added protection of carrying a knife is neccessary in the often dangerous urban environment of SF and is worth the legal risks. This is especially true at an institution like SFSU where seven armed robberies took place on campus last semester in one three week period!
 
This discussion is really depressing. One unpleasant side-effect of the schools' zero-tolerance policies is that students will have a hard time unlearning the knives-are-evil doctrine after they graduate.

Many times I've told my story here in these forums about how I used an Endura to free myself and several students from a classroom with a defective doorknob. (I'm a college professor.) No, there was not a fire in the building, and yes, I could have yelled really loud and waited for someone to rescue us. Sort of makes you stop and think, though, doesn't it.

I can understand why people want to keep knives away from small children and bad guys.

There are other things in life to be afraid of besides bad guys.

David Rock

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Hey Alfalfa- I go to SFSU as well. Maybe we should meet up on campus or something sometime. Your profile doesn't have an email link, so email me at medusaoblongata@hotmail.com. (Anyone else is free to email me as well
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It's a terrible judgement call when there have been muggings and assaults on and near campus. We're squeezed from both ends - the less safe the campus is, the more they crack down on any attempt we make to protect ourselves. I'd say it's a pretty phuqued up situation.

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Originally posted by Jeff Clark:
However, at the end of the last school year district policy tightened some more and the principal was obliged to pass dire zero tolerance edicts to the school. Steve decided the risk is too great. I'm going to give him a multitool with the knife blade cut off for school.
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Good idea, Jeff. Another idea, though, that I'm just wondering about, though... what are the possibilities of some parents (I can't include myself, since I'm not a dad) getting something done about zero tolerance policies, ahead of time. I mean, before their son or daughter gets expelled. I have always thought that the school system, in general, was rendering a service for society in general, and parents specifically. So, shouldn't the parents have some say in the school policies? Especially in a district such as Jeff mentions, where the community sounds like it is a little more solid between the ears than some of the inner city, or suburban areas.

Just wondering out loud. To add to the topic, I went through 17 years of school, 12 of which were in a system that said that pocket knives were not to be allowed in classes. I was never without a pocket knife, as long as I had a pocket. I work in an environment that supposedly does not allow either >3 inch blades, nor fixed blades, in the building. I carry both regularly. I live in a state that supposedly regards fixed blades as illegal.Oh well, someday that may become a problem for me. Too bad for me.

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I used to carry a little lockback to school everyday and the dumb teachers all thought that it was illegal. Like I said thought it was. At the begining of every year they would gives us the rules of the campus and it said pocket knives smaller than the lenght of your hand longways or with a blade smaller than your hand palmways was legal. even my superintendent didn't know that. They never changed the ruled though even after they tried on many many occasions to confiscate my knives. I'd just show them the good book o law.

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Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me.
 
I carry my only good knife to school, the Stiff KISS (i can hear some of you laughing, but im a newbie
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anyway, its usually around my neck the whole day, do you think there is much chance of being caught with it?
(I think there are strict rules against carrying weapons to school, although im not actually sure)

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Daniel

 
I carry my only good knife to school, the Stiff KISS (i can hear some of you laughing, but im a newbie
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anyway, its usually around my neck the whole day, do you think there is much chance of being caught with it?
(I think there are strict rules against carrying weapons to school, although im not actually sure)

Thanks
Daniel

 
I always have my SAK, wherever i go (except into areas with metal detectors). It is borderline illegal to carry, depending on whether or not i can convince the LEO that i need it for things other than slaughtering innocents. I've been arrrested for carrying it once, but the constable was reprimanded and i was released with profuse apologies.

I sometimes carry my Wave, depending on what's happening that day.

My school has an absolute zero tolerance for knives, but they cannot search us without just cause, so as soon as i get my SIFU i'm going to start carrying it.

avpshadowman - If you get caught with that, expect biiiiiiig trouble. Probably expulion and referal to police.

James

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avpshadowman/Daniel - The way you'd most likely get caught is if a student or teacher sees it and reports it. If you don't have to change clothes for gym class or anything, they're not likely to see it. Unless they do random searches w/metal detectors..

James - I don't know what counts as "just cause" in Australia, but here in the US, schools can search anyone at anytime, "reasonable suspicion" is what they call it, and it's easy to manufacture. They had no good reason to search me, except that they didn't like me, so they made a reason up. They didn't need any kind of proof.

Whatever you carry, especially in high school, make sure that no one sees it at all.

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I am sorry to sound negative, but wow. In my opinion knives have no place in school--especially in high school.

The only thing that I associate a knife in a school with is a thug.

Again, excuse my being negative, but I think this sort of thing is what epitomizes that which gives a bad name to those who carry weapons.

Furthermore, your quote about all of the switchblades, brass knuckles etc that you were carrying when you were kicked out of 8th grade leads me to believe that you don't carry knives for DEFENSIVE purposes. I know that that is a long time ago, and probably has changed--but I believe it is not quite in keeping within the boundaries of that for which this forum exists.


Matt
 
Even risking that I don´t sound PC, I carried knives for years in school, since I bought my first Endura. I sometimes carried fixed blades, even a Gerber Mk1 (evil dagger, ATTENTION: THUG ALARM!). It was completely legal to carry knives in my school, no laws or regulations against it, no harassing searches. Nearly everybody knew I usually carry knives, they often borrowed them to cut something etc. The only really dumb thing I did was taking a Cold Steel Voyager (4" tanto) over to Great Britain when my school class went there for two weeks in a students exchange program. Didn´t know that it was illegal, and even carried it inside a British court and school buildings. That could have gotten my into deep trouble, luckily it didn´t.

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All this fuss about who is carrying what. In just about every school district in every province or state in North America the simple possession of a knife is a big mistake. I am going to date myself by asking if anyone remembers the Bic pen add where they shot the pen though a pine board and it still writes. Bet school boards would love to see that pen penitration test on TV again.
I personally carried a pocket knife every day of my school life 60's to late 70's and every one knew it. The only thing that ever happened was that I got suspened for 3 days when I reached into my pocket to get my knife in art class and some live .22 ammo fell out.

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[This message has been edited by R Dockrell (edited 07-30-2000).]
 
For bowler1- When I was in school (late 60's-early70's)just about every guy in school was carrying a pocketknife, all in everyone's open knowledge. Many useful purposes were served, and there was no mass slaughter(!)
Now I am a Jr. High School teacher. I carry a pocketknife every day and I would not say anything to a student with a knife if they were using it responsibly.
Bowler1- children learn. That is what they do. A zero-tolerance policy is a zero- common-sense policy. If you treat a tool like a weapon then that tool becomes a weapon rather than a tool in the minds of the students. We don't need more adults that think that everything in the world is evil and animated with the need to cause harm.
A tool is a tool, damn it, and it is people who commit evil acts that need to be controlled, not tools.
There I go, I made a speech and it isn't even time for school yet!

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And please don't go to school with switchblades, daggers, ninja stars, knuckle-dusters, etcetera, etcetera, and flunk the attitude test to boot, or when your school declares "zero tolerance" we'll all be blaming you!
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Daniel/Avpshadowman, nobody will laugh at your Stiff KISS. I owned a customized (black titanium carbon nitride coated) Stiff KISS (later sold to Richard Rosvall). Sold it because it scared people for some reason.
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This will be my last year at the University of Washington. At first I was reluctant to carry there, then I got a Cricket for the specific purpose of doing so. It rode in my watch pocket. Then, I figured I might as well carry my Endura, deep pocket carry of course. That's what rides with me whenever I go.

The way I see it, Dr. Welch's cost/benefit analysis comes out heavily in favor of carrying a knife regardless of regulations. I've spent all this time learning how to use one in case someone does something criminally stupid. To be without it when I would most likely need it (the UW parking lot late at night) would be a grave error.

I also carry a Victorinox Soldier. I figure that if someone asks me if I have a knife they can use, the SAK will help me to preserve my pride as a knife-carrying individual without raising eyebrows.
 
Why bother if it's going to be in the bottom of a pocket?? The reason I love my Spydercos is the pocket clip(or the carabiner-like system of the Remote Release that never leaves the belt loop on my left side). I had to get a new SAK since the old one was falling apart, and I went bonkers when I found out they sent little nylon pouches out with them now! No more fishing around in the bottom of my pockets... Just reach right over to the pouch! Now, with a Maglite, SAK and Remote Release(bright orange) on one side and a Gerber multi-tool and Uncle Mike's silent key holder on the other, I imagine that some people turn around and look at me wierd when I'm looking the other way... And this is just the beginning! I'll be adding another pouch soon, containing CPR mask and latext gloves(yeah, I'm going nuts. And taking EMT classes, too!). And next year when I get me CCW, I'll probably end up with a Thunderwear holster - there's no where else to put anything! And I'd probably have to go up two sizes in pants to fit an IWB... And by then I'll have tons more knives to get in the way! I'm already overweight, adding all these knives and guns is gonna put me over 200!
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