SUBJECT: CRKT M16 and Gerber EVO - - Similarities ? ? ?

CRKT M16 & Gerber EVO - - Do you think that they are similar ?

  • Agree

    Votes: 1 100.0%

  • Disagree

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Gig. . . .you’re blind

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    1
Bob W said:
Probably enough differences to avoid legal trouble; I'm sure they have lawyers.

Still, in my mind it's a rip-off. The similarities in the shape, size, and grind cannot be overlooked and cannot be a coincidence.

I do like the Gerber knives already in my accumulation, but I won't be buying more anytime soon.

-Bob
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What differences? Different shaped holes in the handle?

They just know they are too big to stop.
 
Trying to convince myself that it is just a variation, but I think that it is a blatant ripoff that can get by in court. It's a shame. Are we going to see Military, Law Enforcement, Special Forces and Fire Department versions of the Evo now? At least they copied a good design :rolleyes: .
 
What differences? Different shaped holes in the handle?
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Exactly. And different number of holes. Different type of screws. Thumb stud is nested differently. And a few other minor modifications.

Yep, it's a RIP-OFF with the bare minimum of changes, as suggested by their legal team.

Additionally if Gerber consulted a legal expert prior to releasing their RIP-OFF, their liability is minimized in a court case. Even if a court says the knife is illegally copied, Gerber has documented evidence that they 'sincerely' tried to avoid doing so.

-Bob
 
That's pretty crappy. I've got an M16 and I won't be getting ANYTHING from the gerber gerbils...
 
Bob W said:
Exactly. And different number of holes. Different type of screws. Thumb stud is nested differently. And a few other minor modifications.

Yep, it's a RIP-OFF with the bare minimum of changes, as suggested by their legal team.

Additionally if Gerber consulted a legal expert prior to releasing their RIP-OFF, their liability is minimized in a court case. Even if a court says the knife is illegally copied, Gerber has documented evidence that they 'sincerely' tried to avoid doing so.

-Bob
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The holes are a minor cosmetic change. If it were just a different color, would you say it was a copy? A single screw is also a very minor change.

The only thing that is even possible arguable is the thumbstud. However, the thumbstud acts as the blade stop in both the open and closed positions. It is a rip-off of the function even if it is not identical.
 
The holes are a minor cosmetic change.
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Exactly, a couple of minor cosmetic changes that make the knives easily distinguishable when laid side-by-side. That's probably all that's necessary. Unless Gerber stole a unique patented design feature or is using a copyrighted name...

Materials could play a roll too, in addition to the very slight cosmetic changes. Are both of the blades and the handles made of the same materials?

I sincerely wish CRKT success if they decide to pursue the issue legally. But I'm not convinced there's a case.

Best Wishes,
-Bob
 
GarageBoy said:
I miss the OLD pete Gerber Gerber. He's probably rolling in his grave right now =/
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For the record, Pete Gerber is very much still with us.
The company that exists today bears little resemblance to the company he founded years ago, though.
 
GarageBoy said:
Lets see when Kit Carson chimes in
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Kit is well aware of this knife, and has been for some time now. So, I assume CRKT is too. I'd take a look at Lifters first post as I am sure he knows more about it than I do..
 
Just looked at the poll. I'm curious as to who would vote disagree.
 
I've been trying to lower the sensitivity on my rip-off detector, but even on low, there's no getting away from it ... rip-off.
 
and ask ;how is the quality compared to the CRKT let alone the custom by Kit Carson?Is it comparable to the CRKT offering in terms of blade steel used,liner material ,lock strength and fit/finish?A rip-off is one thing but an inferior rip-off is very reprehensible act indeed. :confused: :confused: :confused:
 
Stickbait said:
and ask ;how is the quality compared to the CRKT let alone the custom by Kit Carson?Is it comparable to the CRKT offering in terms of blade steel used,liner material ,lock strength and fit/finish?A rip-off is one thing but an inferior rip-off is very reprehensible act indeed. :confused: :confused: :confused:
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With the materials Gerber has been using lately, I'm sure it is worse!

Sure enough, checked Gerber's site and they are using 400 series stainless. Absolute crap!
 
Stickbait said:
. . .how is the quality compared to the CRKT let alone the custom by Kit Carson?Is it comparable to the CRKT offering in terms of blade steel used,liner material ,lock strength and fit/finish?A rip-off is one thing but an inferior rip-off is very reprehensible act indeed. :confused: :confused: :confused:
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Sorry. . . .but I've been out of town trying to take care of family business.

The EVO blade come in 440 stainless, whereas the M16 is AUS-8. I don’t know what type of liner material is used in either the M16 or the EVO. EVO scale material is aluminum. The M16 comes in a variety of scale material (titanium, aluminum, zytel).

As far as fit and finish. . . .as I stated before. . . .the CRKT is a hands down winner. The EVO liner and scales and very thin when set next to the M16. Lockup on the M16 is like a tank (the one that I have even has a lock on the spine). The EVO lockup is flimsy, IMO.


If I had to use a comparison scale of 1 to 10 to rate the two knives. . . . .

CRKT M16 = 10

Gerber EVO = 2 (maybe a 3. . . .if I was having problems with seeing and touch senses) :D
 
This should be over in GB&U where it would be brought back to the top on a regular basis.

I have absolutely no use for companies that think that stealing designs is the right way to do business. The people that run Gerber can kiss my ass.
 
Well, it IS a very lightweight knife, the EVO. Beat the crap out of it then? I paid only 24 bucks for it, and it even came with thier mini multi-plier, gerber "crunch."

CRKT has the lawks.
 
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