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I have:
Benchmade 710 D2
Zero Tolerance ZT0300
Spyderco Endura 4 G-10

I know my Endura is "only" VG-10 but I consider it a "premium steel. At least in Spyderco's use of it. The fit and finish of my Endura 4 G-10 just flat out amazes me :thumbup:.
 
DarkoMaledictus said:
Problem I have with cold steel is they don't seem to use premium steel for their blades and their Kraton handles seem cheap to me. Had a bad experience with Cold steel... now kind of keep away nowadays..
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The new Recon 1 and some of their others have G10 handles.
I think AUS 8 is a pretty good steel not the best but not bad.
The new Tri-Ad lock looks like it may be as tough as any lock on the market.
I know people on here dont like Cold Steel but they are putting out
some new designs for their knives. That is all I was saying. It does not mean they are the best but the New Recon 1 is pretty nice. Thanks. Kevin
 
kda89508 said:
The new Recon 1 and some of their others have G10 handles.
I think AUS 8 is a pretty good steel not the best but not bad.
The new Tri-Ad lock looks like it may be as tough as any lock on the market.
I know people on here dont like Cold Steel but they are putting out
some new designs for their knives. That is all I was saying. It does not mean they are the best but the New Recon 1 is pretty nice. Thanks. Kevin
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Just had some bad experience in the past. They might be good now, but you know how it is, when you get burn the fire doesn't look as friendly as the first time you saw it ;).
 
Emerson CQC7b wave, Spyderco Waved models, Cold Steel American Lawman, Cold Steel Spartan.
 
knarfeng said:
Nonsense. I defy you to tell the difference in performance between VG1 and VG10.
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Hi Knarfeng,

I can tell you that VG-10 is more expensive than VG-1 by a fair amount.

I can tell you that when I met with Mr. Mitchisugo Kono last month, he assured me that VG-10 was considerably more effective as a knife blade steel than VG-1. Mr. Michistugo Kono is the president of Takefu Steel. He makes both VG-10 and VG-1. He is probably a reliable source of information about his own steels.

sal
 
Josh K said:
That's like pointing to two cars and saying "they're both painted red."

That may be a ridiculous example but carbon content is not the only thing that goes into a knife.
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He said something about the carbon content so that's why I posted that. LOL

You would have to read the other posts to understand. LOL
 
Sal Glesser said:
Hi Knarfeng,

I can tell you that VG-10 is more expensive than VG-1 by a fair amount.

I can tell you that when I met with Mr. Mitchisugo Kono last month, he assured me that VG-10 was considerably more effective as a knife blade steel than VG-1. Mr. Michistugo Kono is the president of Takefu Steel. He makes both VG-10 and VG-1. He is probably a reliable source of information about his own steels.

sal
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I am sure. :D

But from a user standpoint the edge retention is so close you can't tell the difference between them. :)

I have another Spyderco Coming in VG-10 to runs some test on so I will do another run.
 
Ankerson said:
He said something about the carbon content so that's why I posted that. LOL

You would have to read the other posts to understand. LOL
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The point still stands, carbon content is not a definitive factor in evaluating steels....
 
DarkoMaledictus said:
For one, its a high carbon steel, which means it will rust easier. Did a bit of research on it :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VG-1(steel)

Some claim it chips easier. but been disputed.

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Josh K said:
The point still stands, carbon content is not a definitive factor in evaluating steels....
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Josh, don't get me started today, I am not in the mood..... :grumpy:

I was responding to the above quote about the high carbon content of VG-1...

VG-1 and VG-10 have the same carbon content...
 
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Ankerson said:
I am sure. :D

But from a user standpoint the edge retention is so close you can't tell the difference between them. :)

I have another Spyderco Coming in VG-10 to runs some test on so I will do another run.
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Maybe you can't tell the difference. We certainly can.

We introduced VG-10 into the maketplace more than 10 years ago. We have 10+ years of testing Takefu steels. We've been working with Hitachi, Aichi, Takefu and Myodo foundries in Japan for 30 years. We test edge retention Using CATRA, We test corrosion resistance using Q-fog and we test toughness using Charpy.

sal
 
Sal Glesser said:
Maybe you can't tell the difference. We certainly can.

We introduced VG-10 into the maketplace more than 10 years ago. We have 10+ years of testing Takefu steels. We've been working with Hitachi, Aichi, Takefu and Myodo foundries in Japan for 30 years. We test edge retention Using CATRA, We test corrosion resistance using Q-fog and we test toughness using Charpy.

sal
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Sal,

I never said I doubted what you said. :thumbup:

I believe you 100%. :)
 
Ankerson said:
Josh, don't get me started today, I am not in the mood..... :grumpy:

I was responding to the above quote about the high carbon content of VG-1...

VG-1 and VG-10 have the same carbon content...
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Never had a VG-1 knife, but AUS-8 straight up sucks! I am not a steel snob, but I have had too much problems with aus-8 in the past, which cold steel seems to love


but back to original post, I think one particular knife that has really earned its place here over the years is the Al Mar Sere 2000

Also, I really am fond of the fit and finish of the BM Rift
 
res1cue said:
Never had a VG-1 knife, but AUS-8 straight up sucks! I am not a steel snob, but I have had too much problems with aus-8 in the past, which cold steel seems to love
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Maybe the AUS-8 you used wasn't really AUS-8.... ;)

I have been using CS's AUS-8 for over 20 years and NEVER had an issue with it. :)

Anything you say I can prove you wrong about it.... ;)
 
maybe i was unlucky and got lemons but

-my CS spartan started spotting the day after i got it (live in VA, not too humid, never had this problem with any other knives, even other beadblasted ones)
-my CRKT M21 (the aluminum handled aus8 version) would never hold an edge,
-my CS recon-1 was a PITA to sharpen, more so than my 710 D2, and wouldnt even hold it, so i gave up and made it my beater, same issue with my SOG trident, which I sold bc of problems with it

but still, could just be my luck
 
Ankerson said:
I am sure. :D

But from a user standpoint the edge retention is so close you can't tell the difference between them. :)

I have another Spyderco Coming in VG-10 to runs some test on so I will do another run.
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Additionally, the VP(Mitchisugo) is not going to say that VG-1 is almost as good if VG-10 is a fair amount more expensive if he wants to sell VG-10...I reckon he would want to hype the benefits of VG-10 over VG-1 and sell more.
 
Ankerson said:
Sal,

I never said I doubted what you said. :thumbup:

I believe you 100%. :)
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Thank you Ankerson, I appreciate that.

Res1cue,

Too bad you had a negative experience with Aichi's AUS-8. Aichi is a good foundry and they make very high quality steel. In it's day, AUS-8 was one of the better steels. It is not a powdered steel, but properly made, it does have a very homgenous grain structure and will take a very sharp edge. Compared to modern "exotic" steels, it is not as effective, but by no means a "bad" steel. "all good, just different".

I agree, Al Mar knives has been making high quality knives for more than 35 years. Al helped us make our first knives and his assistance was most valuable. For many years, Al Mar knives set the standard that all others tried to meet. Al Mar quality helped many of us raise our bars, including Chris Reeve, William Henry and Spyderco.

sal
 
Sal Glesser said:
Thank you Ankerson, I appreciate that.

Res1cue,

Too bad you had a negative experience with Aichi's AUS-8. Aichi is a good foundry and they make very high quality steel. In it's day, AUS-8 was one of the better steels. It is not a powdered steel, but properly made, it does have a very homgenous grain structure and will take a very sharp edge. Compared to modern "exotic" steels, it is not as effective, but by no means a "bad" steel. "all good, just different".

I agree, Al Mar knives has been making high quality knives for more than 35 years. Al helped us make our first knives and his assistance was most valuable. For many years, Al Mar knives set the standard that all others tried to meet. Al Mar quality helped many of us raise our bars, including Chris Reeve, William Henry and Spyderco.

sal
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Thanks for the info Sal! And I agree that its not "bad" steel. I just feel like many blade designs are very well thought out and do not reach their full potential with AUS-8.

Actually in your byrd models, I have had very good experiences with your 8Cr13MoV steels, which I know I have heard to be comparable to AUS-8. It sharpens easy and keeps it for a fair amount of time.

And yes Al Mar knives rock!
 
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