Survival equipment ponderings

I shot a small buck (fork horn) through the eye (about twenty yards deer standing still quarter on to me) when I was 13 with a .22.....it dropped dead on the spot. Dad kicked my butt bigtime when I got it back to the house (about 300yard drag through the woods). I knew we needed the meat, and we didn't have much money. My Dad knew that it was 3 days before season (very law abiding father), and that I shouldn't have shot it with a .22. I learned my lesson right then. Been 26 years and I still remember the incident like it was yesterday. A .22 is completely capable of taking a deer, as long as the person doing the shooting takes the time to set up the shot, and does his or her part. The problem that arises is that many people are too impatient to set up the shot, and/or aren't really good enough to make the shot.
 
bigbcustom said:
I shot a small buck (fork horn) through the eye (about twenty yards deer standing still quarter on to me) when I was 13 with a .22.....it dropped dead on the spot. Dad kicked my butt bigtime when I got it back to the house (about 300yard drag through the woods). I knew we needed the meat, and we didn't have much money. My Dad knew that it was 3 days before season (very law abiding father), and that I shouldn't have shot it with a .22. I learned my lesson right then. Been 26 years and I still remember the incident like it was yesterday. A .22 is completely capable of taking a deer, as long as the person doing the shooting takes the time to set up the shot, and does his or her part. The problem that arises is that many people are too impatient to set up the shot, and/or aren't really good enough to make the shot.
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That about says it.
I like the youth gun that I have two of,and no I don't carry them everywhere I go,but, they sure would be easy to if you wanted. Other threads have talked about deer guns and This one for survival would do more than the trick if need be with slugs and 22 ammo. Comes with two barrels, 22lr and .410, single shot. Carrying case is available.
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Although it is entirely possible to kill a deer with a 22 LR, or a Grizzly bear for that matter, it is only something I would attempt to do in a serious survival situation. The chances of wounding the animal and it dying a lingering suffering death with out being recovered are much too high with so small a caliber. Deer are relatively easy to snare, they are creatures of habit and tend to walk the same trails and feed in the same areas until the food is gone, instead of "hunting" them with a 22 I would more than likely snare the deer and then use my 22 as a close range coup de grace.

Keep in mind I am talking about a root hog or die, SHTF, TEOTWAWKI situation, snaring deer and hunting them with a 22 Lr is very illegal everywhere. Chris
 
i recently bought a savage arms .17 hmr. deadly little thing. i've been trying to find a deer to kill with it but havent seen one this year. i've got a leepers 6-24x50 long range scope on it. from what i've read this bullet will travel up to 2700 fps which is really close to a much larger caliber rifle bullet. very accurate, i enjoy it. only thing i dont like is it didnt come with iron sights. at close range my scope is way too powerful. anyone know about any other stocks i can put on this? i've checked with the manufacturer and they say they havent put anything else out, i know 22 mag magazines will work with this gun, maybe 22 mag stocks will work too?
 
If hunting with a .17cal isn't illegal in your state it should be! DO NOT hunt deer with this cailbre. It is not ethical!
 
Keeping the feed ramp of the breech clean of lead residue will help with decreasing jam frequency on the AR-7. A Q-tip and a little solvent will help with this. Of course bullet shape is the greatest deciding factor so probably best to stick with the CCI since that's working.
 
My brother and I were both talking about this the other Day. We both live in relativeley suburban areas. our Survival bags both include 40 cal handguns.

Mine also includes a Marlin Papoose, A two piece breakdown 22 rifle. costs about the same as the navy arms rifle. The newer version is polymer and stainless. its very reliable and acurate and has a nice hooded front site. it comes in a decent carry bag and can fit easily into a day pack or in the side pocket of a larger frame pack. I also carry 200rds CCI hollowpoints

I also have a ruger mark 2 with a 5 1/2" bull barrel this would also be a good option if i had the space in a pack or wanted something for my Girlfreind to back up her 38

A 22 is great for almost any concievable survival situation including urban, the ammo is cheap and you can fit much more ammo in a space than you can
with any other round.
 
mewolf1 said:
That about says it.
I like the youth gun that I have two of,and no I don't carry them everywhere I go,but, they sure would be easy to if you wanted. Other threads have talked about deer guns and This one for survival would do more than the trick if need be with slugs and 22 ammo. Comes with two barrels, 22lr and .410, single shot. Carrying case is available.
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They also make a 22/20guage version which might have wven more utility and a tripple 22/243/20 guage that seems like it would handle just about anything
 
2dogs said:
If hunting with a .17cal isn't illegal in your state it should be! DO NOT hunt deer with this cailbre. It is not ethical!
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Agreed, there can't be any way that a .17hmr is legal in any of the 50 states. For all of the above reasons.

Wonder if there is a hunting or DNR website with any charts showing a state-by-state comparison? In MD I think it's .243 and larger for whitetail. I know anything beginning with .22x is not allowed.

As Runningboar pointed out, there is big difference between a survival situation, SHTF, or "trapped in the wilderness", vs. a standard/normal hunting season. A lot of times we are talking "what ifs" and "what may be possible" , not what is legal. Nor are we suggesting anyone kill a PolarBear with a bb gun.
(But if you try, please film it). :D
 
cssims said:
The only problems I have had with it jamming is using Remington Thunderbolts.
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They jam up everything semiauto. Not sure why, they just always have.

Anybody remember who else made the Armalite AR-7? It's on the tip of my brain...

edit: never mind, it was Charter Arms
 
As far as the deer caliber thing is concerned, I agree that they shouldn't be hunted with anything short of a .243 Winchester. Except for that one deer I shot through the eye with the .22 when I was a kid, I have taken upwards of 25 deer through the years with 30-06, 45-70, and .44mag revolver. I have no doubt that I could consistantly and cleanly take deer on a regular basis with a .22 rifle because I have the patience to set up the shot, and I have the skill to make it 99% of the time. Just because you can do something doesn't make it right though. In a survival situation, go for it, if you have any better option, take it. As for the .17 hmr thing, those bullets are light and frangible enough that they may splash wound even with a neck or skull shot.....not even as good as a .22 IMHO for larger animals...I sure wouldn't try it if I didn't have to.
 
Do you really need any kind of gun for a short term survival kit? I mean, you can survive for a few days without any food whatsoever. Sure, if you intend to be in the wilderness for a week or more, but my usual idea of a "survival kit" is something intended to keep me alive overnight if I get lost in the woods, or something intended to keep me alive for a few days in the event of some kind of disaster.
 
kresky said:
Do you really need any kind of gun for a short term survival kit? I mean, you can survive for a few days without any food whatsoever. Sure, if you intend to be in the wilderness for a week or more, but my usual idea of a "survival kit" is something intended to keep me alive overnight if I get lost in the woods, or something intended to keep me alive for a few days in the event of some kind of disaster.
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No you do not need a gun for overnight survival, when legal I like to carry a "meat" gun and supplement the food I have with game. I don't need to but I enjoy it, I usually always have fishing gear and my purple pistol and like to go to the woods when it is the proper season for either or both. Chris
 
what about the 5.56 for a deer sized animal??? If you can take a deer down with a 22 shouldnt a 5.56 be much better and is it legal to use it.... Just to make it clean i have no intention to use a 5.56, just asking.
It might not be the best round but it might be next best thing to a 22 in a survival.
 
I am not a hypocrite, I know I just killed two deer and talked about it on here with a .223. I know my .223 very well, reload for it, shoot it more than any of my other CF guns and I am a very good shot with it and have the trophies to prove it.

I believe that the .223 under the right circumstances can be pressed into service as a deer cartridge however I would not recommend it and I do not think it is optimum as such. I think the .243 is the minimum for whitetail deer, why did I use my .223, because I was a 6 hour drive from my home and was invited to go on a hunt, the only guns I had with me were a blackpowder shotgun and my .223. I was not planning on deer hunting on this trip, I had a chance to borrow a rifle but decided I would rather shoot a gun I am very familar with as a strange one. Chris
 
bigbcustom said:
Was just thinking about when I was a kid (13-16), and a friend and I used to do our little "survival trips" out in the North Idaho woods. During the summers, my friend and I used to take a few 4-6 day forays into the woods with knives, .22 rifles, good clothes, matches, canteens, and maybe some twine. That was all we had, but we managed pretty darn well. I think that the most important pieces of kit we had were the rifles, knives, and matches with the rifle being the most important (we never went hungry, birds and squirrels were in plentiful supply). I almost never see even a .22 listed in survival or bugout kits in these pages, and I got to wondering why...even a little pistol (if you are accurate with it) would seem to greatly improve your chances under adverse conditions. These days, of course, there are fifty more items to add to your kit (for good reasons). I just thought I would post and get other's opinions on this, and maybe hear some quick anecdotes from other's early experiences. Those were some good times when you look back.
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There is another thread on hunting rifles but this one is about carrying a survival weapon. What I have made reference to above is that a small youth gun that breaks down for ease of transport in .410 with 3"slugs would make a nice meat gun(obviously bird shot would be carried too) Just so happens that it also comes with a .22 barrel. Unless the worst was at hand and at close range, a 22 would not be a choice for big game,heII few guys in the rifle thread wanna use anything smaller than a 308.
 
Serious shooting guys. I just bought a CZ-452 five round bolt action .22 LR; I also have a Mark 1 Ruger, and a Taurus PT-22. Ammunition conservation. Have I actually shot anything with them yet? No. No deer or polar bears. But I would if I could. just .02
 
You are saying you would shoot a deer or a polar bear with a 22, why? If you would like to hunt, for sport, why would you not buy the proper rifle? Chris
 
to get back to the original issue...
i remember when i was 9 to 10 years old, i had a buddy that lived at the foot of a small mountain, and his back yard let out onto probably a couple of acres at least. we spent plenty of time exploring the woods and sneaking paring knives from his dad's cutlery drawer out into the woods to whittle sticks and things (in the pockets of my oversized BDUs that my uncle sent me from the airforce). we always were trying to find the perfect spot to build a long term fort, but we never did. we did make it to the top of the mountain though...quite an accomplishment for the time.

we never did get to spend the night any farther than the yard in a tent, but we had alot of fun.
 
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