survival firearm??????????????

Okay, I've had no luck finding a .357 Mag NEF anywhere online. Anyone know where one can be procured?:confused:

Also, a site that I found one at said the synthetic model (which is what I'm looking for) weighed 7 lbs. That's hard to believe, anyone who owns one have another estimation?
 
Yes, the NEF rifles are comparatively heavy. The breech diameter is the same as a 12 ga, so even with a steep taper the barrels have a lot of meat. ss.
 
SpookyPistolero said:
Okay, I've had no luck finding a .357 Mag NEF anywhere online. Anyone know where one can be procured?:confused:
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What I remember from back aways when I was doing some research,
You had to send your rifle back to the factory and have them put on the .357mag barrel.
They might be all gone by now...:(


might be some info here
 
if you want to go that way, then look at the Marlin levers, the same weight, some more cost upfront, but way more utility.
 
I didn't know the Chipmunk was made in .22 magnum. That has real potential as a base for a survival gun but it kind of negates the "cheap and easy practice to teach kids how to shoot" thing.

I kind of envision a skeletonized, aluminum QD stock (Picture a STEN MKII stock) with a nylon pouch laced in the open area that holds ammo and stuff. The .22 magnum would be great for this but it would lack the versatility of the Short, Long, Long Rifle, ammo availability.

As is the gun was amazingly accurate. The single loading thing is a bit difficult with cold hands. Given the price and availablilty of the M6 I've thought of making something like this based on the Rossi .22/.410. I'm real tempted to buy one of the pistol versions of that gun here and make a survival gun out of it, but it wouldn't be legal to take back to the States and I can't legally hunt or transport the gun here. The only thing that holds me back is that I know myself too well. Mac
 
pict for a little more quality h&r makes a similar model a .410 .22cobo the barrels swap out and the whole things fit down into a back pack, still legal and good to go. henyry also makes a rifle called the minibolt which is similar in sixe to the chipmunk, but is stainless and has a synthetic stock.
 
David E said:
These crossed my mind.

How accurate were they?

Was the .22 magnum more or less accurate than the .22 LR ?

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Just my own experience.

At shorter ranges, say out to 75 yards, 22 WMRs seem about as accurate as LRs. At longer ranges, where you want the added performance is where they start to let you down - the groups really open up - more than just range alone.

Some of this is just the limitations of the projectile - poor internal ballistics of roundnose bullets coupled with a fair amount of variability (most 22 mag ammo is far from precision made.)

But my own suspicion (one I've never bothered to test though) is that .22 WMR ammo tends to exhibit a higher degree of velocity spread - even within a given batch of ammo. With a stiff barrel at shorter range this is meaningless. But once you go out 100 yards or so it starts to matter.

The .17 HMRs seem to do better out to about 150 yards accuracy wise, and I think this is due more to the quality of the ammo than anything else.
 
I really like the .22 caliber, i own several rifles all Ruger 10/22's and a few pistols ,small lightweight and does the small game hunting well, i am now looking into the herny survival.22 that breaks down and stores the butt stock. pretty neat !
 
pict said:
I kind of envision a skeletonized, aluminum QD stock (Picture a STEN MKII stock) with a nylon pouch laced in the open area that holds ammo and stuff. The .22 magnum would be great for this but it would lack the versatility of the Short, Long, Long Rifle, ammo availability.

Mac
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Me too. I would love to see someone reproduce the old M4 survival rifle in 22lr. Here's a link to a pic.

http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/0400/475.htm

A takedown bolt action 22lr would be perfect.
 
I thought there was a bolt action take down, looking like the Ar7 but named the A5- it was .22 and fit in the stock and weighed like 3 pounds, just like the ar7.

For the HR barrel in 357 here you go http://www.hr1871.com/Support/accessoryProgram.aspx
Scroll down till you get to handi rifle barrels
357 357 Mag, 22" $87.00 Has udjustable open sights, a plus and what I think should be on any utility gun.

Those hr guns switching in 410 and 22 look good. But the rossi has the combo in 20 gauge and .22. It runs for 100 bucks new when on sale.

A superlight synthetic stock handi rifle weighs under 6 pounds. That's pretty light!

Seems a .223 would be good to. I have heard of people handloading it down to .22 LR like performance. Common ammo. Fellow I use to go to school with killed deer with a .223. You can get a super light handi rifle in .223 with iron sights.

Also, you can get .22 LR and .22 magnum adapters that will allow you to shoot .22 LR and .22 magnum out of your .223!
Here you go http://www.mcace.com/adapters.htm

If you like .22 hornet maybe get one of those. With iron sights on the handi rifle.

Me, I would go for the super light synthetic stock handi rifle in .357 with iron sights. But I think .223 would be good too, for my location.
http://www.hr1871.com/Firearms/Rifles/handiRifle.aspx

Later,
Scottman
 
Heres some fantasies....

One idea I have for a survival gun is a .22 LR rifle. But Like a revolver, think single six- like those old cowboy carbines. It would have a switch cylinder in .22 magnum, and have like a six shot cylinder.
something like this http://www.19thcenturyweapons.com/gallerypages/coltrevrifle503.html

Wow:):):):):) In my search I found something pretty cool. The Lemat revolving rifle from the civil war. Six shot cylinder revolver like rifle with a single shot shotgun barrel underneath. Maybe a modern version with a .22LR/ .22 Mag switch cylinder, with a 20 gauge barrel underneath. Pretty cool.:)

Take care,
Scottman
 
Scottman said:
Heres some fantasies....

One idea I have for a survival gun is a .22 LR rifle. But Like a revolver, think single six- like those old cowboy carbines. It would have a switch cylinder in .22 magnum, and have like a six shot cylinder.
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There was a gun like that available back in the 1980's. Basically looked like a S&W k-frame with a 16 or 20 inch barrel and a pistol grip stock. In 22 lr and 22mag. Can't remember the make. I remember it from an old outdoors/sporting catalog (S.I.R mailorder from western Canada).
 
Some day I'd like to get a short, "trapper" style lever gun in .357 mag. and a revolver in the same caliber. Are there less expensive but reasonably decent alternatives to the model 94 Winchester?

In the meantime, I'll have to stick with my stock 10/22.
 
http://www.henryrepeating.com/h005_minibolt.cfm
Has good sights, and light weight.

http://www.henryrepeating.com/h001l_levercarbine.cfm
Good weight limit 4.5 pounds, a repeater that you could shoot shorts and long rifles out of. Shorts are pretty quiet.

A pump .357. For those of you who like pump actions, also holds 14 rounds, I repeat 14 rounds more that the lever actions with 10. :)
http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?id=403&category=Rifle

a 4.5 pound .22 LR pump gun, with easy takedown http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?id=421&category=Rifle



Heres my 357 maximum over a 20 gauge in the savage combo gun, expensive but it is a collecters item http://www.auctionarms.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=8173325

More of the cheap Rossi Matched pairs

12 guage and .22 LR http://www.rossiusa.com/products/product-details.cfm?model=S121280RS&category=MATCHEDPAIR
12 and .22 mag http://www.rossiusa.com/products/product-details.cfm?model=S122280RS&category=MATCHEDPAIR

The ruger blackhawk convertable, single action but versatile
http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/FAFamily?type=Revolver&subtype=Single Action&famlst=19

The famous 10/22 one, if not the best .22 LR autoloading rifle on the market. Also note that you can get it in .22 mag. http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/FAProdView?model=1168&return=Y

Take care,
Scottman
 
messer454 said:
Range perhaps? What if you can't get closer without scaring the game away? Hurt leg, bad hunter, etc. I have shot many squirrels with a scoped .22 that were out of range of 2 3/4" 20 ga. shells let alone .410.
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Okay, I can take a well fitted 10/22 out and beat my 40 yard .410 range, but I wouldn't generally consider a scoped 10/22 to be a survival choice for a firearm for packing, storing in a trunk, or longer term camping.

In my experience (and I can outshoot *most* 12 guage 870/1100 shooters on a dove line with a single shot .410 by a huge margin), the .410 does more than it's billed for if you learn it, practice it, and get good.

And that's the final argument for me about survival firearms- if you *can't* powder clay with a .410 a reasonable amount of the time, or field shoot your .357 lever to 3 inch groups at 60 yards with iron, maybe it's not that great a thing to be toting around and relying on. Kinda like a dull knife.

As far as the .410/22 combo things go, I guess you could puty a scope on one, but why? if you want the range and you don't care about the .410 (evidenced by mounting the scope), just carry the lever gun :)

*edit* I'm talking about the over under .410/22 combos, not single shots with barrel exchange. Don't know that I would try one of those, but I suppose....
 
I might have missed it, but I didn't about the wire stock, break down .410. It was mde by Garcia. I carry it broken down, apart, in my backpack and carry a few slugs, buckshot and a handfull of birdshot. Heck the ammo is heavier than the shotgun.:)
 
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