Survival firearms...

JRF

I think you are spot on. One of the guys who works for me has been feeding his family with his .22 for years. When he was a kid he started deer hunting with his .22. Over the years he claims to have shot over 200 deer with his .22. I know how well he shoots and I sure wouldn't dispute it.

He does use a larger caliber (7mm Rem) for Elk and regular (no dogs) bear hunting.

Ron

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I recall a test several years ago in I think gun tests or gun report. Not sure. It was expensive to subscribe to but had no advertising and was very honest about the test results. They tested an AR 7. As I recall it sank quite nicely. That was something that stuck with me since at the time I was interested in buying one. I am not sure which company made it though. Back to lurk mode here heh.

Regards,

Tom Carey
 
I agree that the .22 is the premiere single, long term survival weapon.., if for no other reason than its (relatively) lightweight ammo.

Actually.., I should probably qualify that statement... the .22 is the premiere single, long term *portable* survival weapon. A Ruger 10/22T with Leupold scope is what I have with my "bugout bag". Plus 2200 rds of ammo. The .22 is also nice 'cause you have the option of including the CCI CB Longs.., which, while underpowered compared even to a .22 short, they're very quiet, and comparable in power to a quality .22 pellet gun. (Fine for head shots on small game out to 30-40 yds.)

I've tried adding a Steyr Scout and 200 rds. ammo to my bugout bag, but that pushed the weight up significantly.
 
I tossed the floating stock on my AR7. I picked up an extendable at some gun show. Now the little thing just breaks down into two parts, the barrel and the receiver/stock assembly (three if you include the mags). This all slides into a little cordura case I stitched up. It sure doesn't float now!

The rifle is not as accurate or dependable as my 10/22 or any of the others but it works "good enough". I have a little 3x scope that snaps on the thing and of course that helps some. Out to 100 yards I can kill beer cans all day which means that marmots are easy kills for it.

There are some other cool survival rifles available in .22 now.

Sometimes I carry my Ruger Standard, it weighs almost as much but fills the pot just fine.


Ron


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My experience with the accuracy of the AR-7 is much the same as Ron's -- not as accurate as my 10/22, but entirely acceptable. BTW, I replaced the standard rear peep sight with a hooded peep with somewhat larger opening. I also replaced the standard front blade sight with an orange one. Both were done to improve low light sighting.

I mentioned the collapsible skeleton stock above and, since installing it, don't even bother to remove the barrel for stowing. Collapsed length is about 26 1/2" and I also store it in a simple cordura slip case.

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I may be goin' to hell in a bucket, Babe, but at least I'm enjoyin' the ride.


 
Hey does anybody have manuals for the AR-7? I was just wondering, and I'm also curious, does anybody else but me have trouble with winchester wildcat ammo in the AR-7? I keep jamming up with it. but CCI mini mags (full metal jacket baby!) just rock in it
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Yeah Tim,

The thing has food (ammo) preferences. I shoot a few mags before I carry the ammo on trips. That is one of my biggest irritations with the tool.

Ron

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This is my survival gun. A standard Ruger 10/22 with the chamber setback and the barrel threaded into the receiver. The muzzle is threaded for an AWC Backdraft suppressor and attached. Bolt headspaced and jewelled with PowerCustom titanium extractor, bolt handle, and firing pin. Trigger job with no creep and slack and set at 2lbs. Butler Creek folding stock and Eagle hi-cap mags plus standard mags. Weaver integral base and rings and Tasco 3x9 w/mil-dot. This gun is capable of 0.4 inch at 50 yards and 3 inches at 200 yards with PMC subsonic Moderator ammo and the suppressor installed. CPC in Connecticut did most of the smithing on the gun and I highly recommend them.
 
well I was also wondering if you could groove the reciever so you could mount a scope on there, and I also wanted to say that Remington Thunderbolt ammo rocks with the AR-7
 
So... Is the consensus on the AR-7 that it is a good pack/survival gun?

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well crap, does anybody know the address for Ram Line Magazines, I just got one that fits mine, I loaded it up and it split on me sending ammo all over my room. crap
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TIMMYTT: Ramline got bought out by BLOUNT Industries, they are a conglomerate which has RCBS, SPEER, and Outers. They will only do one of two things for you, replace the magazine with Ramline 10 rounders or give you about $10 of credit towards ordering more merchandise. I had a 30 rounder malfuntion along with TWO 25's and I got about $40 worth of merchandise for the three of them.

Look in hunting/outdoor magazines for phone numbers. Any one of the BLOUNT companies can direct you to the right place/number!

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All weather Ruger Mini-14. Light in weight and powerfull. The ammo is also easy and light to carry.
 
A .50 BMG Barrett, semi-auto clip fed.

You don't have to hit the squirrel, just aim at the trunk of the tree about 2/3 way up and

*F O O M*

The impact of that big ol' slug knocks hell out of the tree, shaking whatever's loose among the branches - squirrel, chipmunk, hoot owl...

They fall to the ground, stunned. You run around and smack 'em with your Uluchet and stuff 'em in your goodie bag. Ummm-um, makes for good beggars stew later on!

Scares hell outta the neighbors, too - they'll be a leavin' ya alone after hearing that shoulder cannon's report, I'm here to tell ya!

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Nick
 
Hi all, count yourself all very lucky with your laws on (hand)guns. Over here in Holland one can get guns licensed uop to the absolute maximum of 5 pieces but one then has to at least practice 35 separate days a year for those 5 guns! to be able to keep them.
Goodies like a AR7 or a takedown survival gum like the M6 ? I believe you call it with a 410 gauge barrel and 22 or 22 hornet rifle barrel are ABSOLUTELY forbidden in Holland. The AR7 is classified on the same level as having a 50 caliber browning machinegun or a dozen handgrenades in ones possesion. The M6 can be bought but then only with welded takedown bold so that it stays in one piece.

Everyone have a very good Christmas and a happy New Year, Bagheera

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22 lr/22 mag NAA miniature revolver. I have a couple, but for insurance in the woods I often take the mini-master with 4” barrel. It has lr and mag cylinders. The gun is quite light, so you don’t hesitate to pack it, and accurate enough. Other times I carry a snub nose 38 special, just because I have it and practice with it frequently. Again, not the most accurate of firearms, but easy to carry.

A rifle won’t do you any good if you don’t have it with you. Those of you who advocate rifles, how often do you take them with you into the wilderness?
 
As with any survival situation, you make due with what you have. These may not be ideal, but they are always on me when I venture into the woods. I wear a Smith & Wesson 686 6 inch .357 magnum. (Stainless) In my pack I also carry an American Arms P-98 .22 caliber pistol. What's nice about the .357 is that it's big enough for large game, but also shoots shot shells. CCI makes shot shells for the .357 and some other calibers. I have shot squirrels, rabbits, and birds with them. You do need to be close with these though.
Jim
 
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