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Could someone tell me what some of the following things are? Kirk, most are yours, so you'd know best..
Rust eraser
moleskin
a rustfree
legal pads
eze-lap diamond rod
First Aid Kit - I know what this is, but what kind exactly do you carry and what do you recommend putting into it?
This is a rather big order Kirk has. anyone, Kirk included have a somewhat modified version of like 2 dozens or so things to put into a backpack, maybe listing the most vital things, then some really useful secondary things. I'd like to have a kit ready, but would like some more expert advice on the best things to pack in a smaller sack if I had to.
Surprised nobody mentioned duct tape...
Rust eraser
moleskin
a rustfree
legal pads
eze-lap diamond rod
First Aid Kit - I know what this is, but what kind exactly do you carry and what do you recommend putting into it?
This is a rather big order Kirk has. anyone, Kirk included have a somewhat modified version of like 2 dozens or so things to put into a backpack, maybe listing the most vital things, then some really useful secondary things. I'd like to have a kit ready, but would like some more expert advice on the best things to pack in a smaller sack if I had to.
Surprised nobody mentioned duct tape...
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Could someone tell me what some of the following things are? I have ideas on some, Kirk, most are yours, so you'd know best... but whoever knows, please tell me what are..
Rust eraser
moleskin
a rustfree
legal pads
eze-lap diamond rod
snare wire
First Aid Kit - I know what this is, but what kind exactly do you carry and what do you recommend putting into it?
This is a rather big order Kirk has. anyone, Kirk included have a somewhat modified version of like 2 dozens or so things to put into a backpack, maybe listing the most vital things, then some really useful secondary things. I'd like to have a kit ready, but would like some more expert advice on the best things to pack in a smaller sack if I had to.
Surprised nobody mentioned duct tape...
Rust eraser
moleskin
a rustfree
legal pads
eze-lap diamond rod
snare wire
First Aid Kit - I know what this is, but what kind exactly do you carry and what do you recommend putting into it?
This is a rather big order Kirk has. anyone, Kirk included have a somewhat modified version of like 2 dozens or so things to put into a backpack, maybe listing the most vital things, then some really useful secondary things. I'd like to have a kit ready, but would like some more expert advice on the best things to pack in a smaller sack if I had to.
Surprised nobody mentioned duct tape...
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I DO have duct tape. The camo kind. Little flat "rolls" of it.
I keep a pack in the car and one at the house. The car pack is downloaded a little less than the house pack. I don't know why, I live in the middle of nowhere and could make a stand here.
Typical items in my packs.
Magnesium fire starter block
Assorted knives - at least 3 (sm,med,lg)
EZ Lap diamond "stone"
Water purification tabs
canteen
Ruger Polymer-framed 9mm
5 - 15 Round mags
Assorted Ammo - 125gr +P+ and "snake shot"
assorted first aid stuff
Pepper spray - you don't always want to shoot!
MRE's - just in case you can't find any good grubs, bugs, or snakes to eat.
Trip wire flares (perimeter protection!)
smoke grenades (real ones)
Arial flares
A medium sized hammock (for the kids to sleep in, to hoist food stuffs off the ground, or to use as a net)
Extra sewing needles (besides the suture kits in the first aid bag)
small pistol cleaning kit and lubricant
toilet paper (roll removed and smashed flat)
compass
big clip-on cyalume sticks (coast guard issue?) Clipped to the packs - extras inside packs.
socks (2 pair)
gloves (leather and warm)
drag harness / carabeaners (can be used for rapelling)
100ft roll of line
6 - 30 round AR-15 mags (home pack)
Machete (home pack)
wool blanket
quilted nylon ground cover (thin, light)
2 or 3 silver "space blankets"
trioxane bars
waterproof matches (the kids can't use the magnesium bar very well)
Storm whistle - loud sucker!
strobe beacon light
extra D cell battery for strobe
nylon wire ties
field guide card of edible plants (hey, I don't know everything!)
small bottle of citronella oil (safer than DEET, but not as effective)
medications (Immodium, sudaphed, benadryl, tylenol with codeine, ibuprofen, lots of others)
hand sanitizer (gelled alcohol)
bar soap
pic of the wife and kids (in case we are separated)
Instead of thread, fishing line, and snare wire, I use 40 or 60 lb test SpiderWire. (The original braided stuff.) You can do everything with that stuff and it's already a nice OD Green color.. A cousin of mine used some 200lb test HEAVY DUTY stuff he bought at a sporting good store's going out of business sale and made a bow with it. (Actually killed a rabbit with it!)
All the item really don't weigh that much. (Except the Ar-15 mags!) Looking back on the list I can't believe how much it looks like, but I left a good 1/3 of it off.
I keep a pack in the car and one at the house. The car pack is downloaded a little less than the house pack. I don't know why, I live in the middle of nowhere and could make a stand here.
Typical items in my packs.
Magnesium fire starter block
Assorted knives - at least 3 (sm,med,lg)
EZ Lap diamond "stone"
Water purification tabs
canteen
Ruger Polymer-framed 9mm
5 - 15 Round mags
Assorted Ammo - 125gr +P+ and "snake shot"
assorted first aid stuff
Pepper spray - you don't always want to shoot!
MRE's - just in case you can't find any good grubs, bugs, or snakes to eat.
Trip wire flares (perimeter protection!)
smoke grenades (real ones)
Arial flares
A medium sized hammock (for the kids to sleep in, to hoist food stuffs off the ground, or to use as a net)
Extra sewing needles (besides the suture kits in the first aid bag)
small pistol cleaning kit and lubricant
toilet paper (roll removed and smashed flat)
compass
big clip-on cyalume sticks (coast guard issue?) Clipped to the packs - extras inside packs.
socks (2 pair)
gloves (leather and warm)
drag harness / carabeaners (can be used for rapelling)
100ft roll of line
6 - 30 round AR-15 mags (home pack)
Machete (home pack)
wool blanket
quilted nylon ground cover (thin, light)
2 or 3 silver "space blankets"
trioxane bars
waterproof matches (the kids can't use the magnesium bar very well)
Storm whistle - loud sucker!
strobe beacon light
extra D cell battery for strobe
nylon wire ties
field guide card of edible plants (hey, I don't know everything!)
small bottle of citronella oil (safer than DEET, but not as effective)
medications (Immodium, sudaphed, benadryl, tylenol with codeine, ibuprofen, lots of others)
hand sanitizer (gelled alcohol)
bar soap
pic of the wife and kids (in case we are separated)
Instead of thread, fishing line, and snare wire, I use 40 or 60 lb test SpiderWire. (The original braided stuff.) You can do everything with that stuff and it's already a nice OD Green color.. A cousin of mine used some 200lb test HEAVY DUTY stuff he bought at a sporting good store's going out of business sale and made a bow with it. (Actually killed a rabbit with it!)
All the item really don't weigh that much. (Except the Ar-15 mags!) Looking back on the list I can't believe how much it looks like, but I left a good 1/3 of it off.
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Walt, great idea with the oral antibiotics. Enteritis is horrible.
I love Lomotil!!! It has saved me many times! Sure beats activated charcoal supositories! (That happened! Ick!)
Word of caution everyone!!!- Erythromycin (E-Mycin)(and I think Cephalexin and Keflex also) become EXTREMELY toxic once expired. Heat will speed the expiration date right along as well as the toxicity of the drug. ROTATE ROTATE ROTATE! (Walt, you already knew this part, so you can skip it.)
If you don't have a "legitimate" source for (good) drugs locally, they can be had off the internet. Reputable brands, prescribed by doctors (who never see you), distributed through loop-holes in laws. If you aren't too concerned about "human pure" USP drugs, vetrenary supplies can suffice. (Although I know a few who use this method of obtaining drugs, I don't recommend it.)
The only other caveat that I have would be toward using the steroid creams on ANY rash. If you have a staph or other bacterial infection that is causing your rash, steroid creams can cause the rash to worsen. That's all you need is a bunch of bateria on steroids!
I love Lomotil!!! It has saved me many times! Sure beats activated charcoal supositories! (That happened! Ick!)
Word of caution everyone!!!- Erythromycin (E-Mycin)(and I think Cephalexin and Keflex also) become EXTREMELY toxic once expired. Heat will speed the expiration date right along as well as the toxicity of the drug. ROTATE ROTATE ROTATE! (Walt, you already knew this part, so you can skip it.)
If you don't have a "legitimate" source for (good) drugs locally, they can be had off the internet. Reputable brands, prescribed by doctors (who never see you), distributed through loop-holes in laws. If you aren't too concerned about "human pure" USP drugs, vetrenary supplies can suffice. (Although I know a few who use this method of obtaining drugs, I don't recommend it.)
The only other caveat that I have would be toward using the steroid creams on ANY rash. If you have a staph or other bacterial infection that is causing your rash, steroid creams can cause the rash to worsen. That's all you need is a bunch of bateria on steroids!
Tuff,
>>Rust eraser
moleskin
a rustfree
legal pads
eze-lap diamond rod
First Aid Kit<<
Rust eraser is a little.. well..., eraser.., about the size of one of those stand-alone erasers you can buy anywhere. Except this one is abrasive. It can be used not only to remove rust (though it can mar a shiny finish), but it's excellent for cleaning ceramic sharpening rods.
Moleskin can be obtained anywhere that carries "Dr. Scholl" stuff. It's a sheet of soft, adhesive backed material that you can cut to size and stick on parts of your foot that are developing blisters. Usually the heel.
Rustfree is a product sold by AG Russell. Comes in a little squeeze bottle. Put a drop on your knife blade and smear it around. Protects the knife from rust.
Legal pads are just bound pads of plain, lined paper. I figured it might be nice to be able to write something..., even if it's a goodbye note
EZE-Lap diamond rod is a diamond impregnated steel rod, especially useful for sharpening recurved edges.
The first aid kit is a fairly basic "Hiker" kit. Nice little bag with various bandages, Tylonal, anti-fungals, EMT scissors, tweezers, etc.
To all the other comments..., yes, I KNOW my pack is too heavy. At least 20 lbs. too heavy. But I figure even if I can only drag it 5 miles a day, I'll be in the mountains in a week... with enough equipment to sustain me for years, *and* create a cache with at least the basics (sort of like Ron Hood's "maxi-kit"), in case the absolute worst happens, and I'm displaced from my camp.
And, yeah..., to whomever asked, I do expect to settle into one area. I'd probably take a hint from the deer, and make my camp in the middle of the thickest thicket I can find. Maybe in the middle of a rhododendren <sp?> hell. That would at least offer moderate protection from having my camp raided while I'm away.
As for the ammo.. I'm tempted to throw in even *more* .22
, not less. I'm don't foresee a lot of opportunity to trade for more.
And for the person who suggested few knives... SHAME ON YOU!!!
Why do you think I'm here???
Kirk
>>Rust eraser
moleskin
a rustfree
legal pads
eze-lap diamond rod
First Aid Kit<<
Rust eraser is a little.. well..., eraser.., about the size of one of those stand-alone erasers you can buy anywhere. Except this one is abrasive. It can be used not only to remove rust (though it can mar a shiny finish), but it's excellent for cleaning ceramic sharpening rods.
Moleskin can be obtained anywhere that carries "Dr. Scholl" stuff. It's a sheet of soft, adhesive backed material that you can cut to size and stick on parts of your foot that are developing blisters. Usually the heel.
Rustfree is a product sold by AG Russell. Comes in a little squeeze bottle. Put a drop on your knife blade and smear it around. Protects the knife from rust.
Legal pads are just bound pads of plain, lined paper. I figured it might be nice to be able to write something..., even if it's a goodbye note
EZE-Lap diamond rod is a diamond impregnated steel rod, especially useful for sharpening recurved edges.
The first aid kit is a fairly basic "Hiker" kit. Nice little bag with various bandages, Tylonal, anti-fungals, EMT scissors, tweezers, etc.
To all the other comments..., yes, I KNOW my pack is too heavy. At least 20 lbs. too heavy. But I figure even if I can only drag it 5 miles a day, I'll be in the mountains in a week... with enough equipment to sustain me for years, *and* create a cache with at least the basics (sort of like Ron Hood's "maxi-kit"), in case the absolute worst happens, and I'm displaced from my camp.
And, yeah..., to whomever asked, I do expect to settle into one area. I'd probably take a hint from the deer, and make my camp in the middle of the thickest thicket I can find. Maybe in the middle of a rhododendren <sp?> hell. That would at least offer moderate protection from having my camp raided while I'm away.
As for the ammo.. I'm tempted to throw in even *more* .22
And for the person who suggested few knives... SHAME ON YOU!!!
Kirk
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The Red Cross Emergency Preparedness pamphlet on Food and Water in an Emergency advises the use 5.25% sodium hypochlorite bleach as the only safe means of water purification. They specificaly recommend that you not use iodine. Can the experts comment on this, please?
Regardless of chemical treatment Cryptosporidium parvum is not subject to either chlorine or iodine. The only treatment method I'm aware of is filtration. This nasty organism isn't too dangerous when you have a good support system in place, but I can see it as being a real threat in the back country. What do ya'll think about filter systems in place of treatment?
WRT the 100lb pack: If you have not carried this pack for a day or two hike I advise that you get in some practice doing so. If you are injured by trying to carry such a load you won't be getting anywhere in a few days. Foot, knee, back, neck and arm injuries can all result from trying to carry this weight.
Take care,
Mike
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TANSTAAFL
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Regardless of chemical treatment Cryptosporidium parvum is not subject to either chlorine or iodine. The only treatment method I'm aware of is filtration. This nasty organism isn't too dangerous when you have a good support system in place, but I can see it as being a real threat in the back country. What do ya'll think about filter systems in place of treatment?
WRT the 100lb pack: If you have not carried this pack for a day or two hike I advise that you get in some practice doing so. If you are injured by trying to carry such a load you won't be getting anywhere in a few days. Foot, knee, back, neck and arm injuries can all result from trying to carry this weight.
Take care,
Mike
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TANSTAAFL
[This message has been edited by hso (edited 20 August 1999).]
This is such a reacurring subject I wonder if spark would mind adding a permanent forum for it.After all we have a tactical martial arts forum. One thing it seems that everyone forgets about in planning "bug out" kits is we are a settled industrial contry. There are bountiful wilderness areas around. But even in those areas are man made structures. I suggest you have modern tools available ie. sockets,screwdrivers, prybars , etc. Also if you plan to use yourself as a pack animal keep the load as small as possible. You better plan to live low on the food chain. As to armament, remember you will be the prey. Not the predator. This thought will keep you on your toes and hopefully keep you healthy.
I assume you have scouted out your line of retreat and are familiar with the area and its properties. Remember anywhere you can get to on foot so can a couple of thousand other people and you will be part of a migration. Unless you are lucky enough or paranoid enough to leave at the beginning and be far enough ahead of the others there will be plenty of people out there under equipped, under schooled and of low moral charactor. Low enough to blind side you when possible.
I could ramble on this subject much longer but I think I will stop here. There are too many thoughts/solutions/possiblilities here to continue. I am going to review this again and maybe try to post articulate/concise suggestions and questions for discussion.
Cheers,
ts
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"Cet animal est tres mechant;quand on l'attaque il se defend."("This animal is very mischievous: when it is attacked it defends itself")
I assume you have scouted out your line of retreat and are familiar with the area and its properties. Remember anywhere you can get to on foot so can a couple of thousand other people and you will be part of a migration. Unless you are lucky enough or paranoid enough to leave at the beginning and be far enough ahead of the others there will be plenty of people out there under equipped, under schooled and of low moral charactor. Low enough to blind side you when possible.
I could ramble on this subject much longer but I think I will stop here. There are too many thoughts/solutions/possiblilities here to continue. I am going to review this again and maybe try to post articulate/concise suggestions and questions for discussion.
Cheers,
ts
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"Cet animal est tres mechant;quand on l'attaque il se defend."("This animal is very mischievous: when it is attacked it defends itself")
I agree, a separate 'survival and wilderness' forum on Bladeforums would be a good idea since many of the threads contents surround wilderness and survival issues.
What about it Spark?
Jeff
What about it Spark?
Jeff
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hso,
I have been using a filter in place of chemicals here for several years. The big baddie hereabouts is giardia (Giardia lamblia, a parasite): a good dose of Giardia will ruin your summer (unless you like the two-step), and would be much more serious if medical care were unavailable. Otherwise, sodium hypochlorite does well, and the chlorine will evap off if you leave the bottle open a crack.
Most of the filter tests I have seen pass all filters tested, some are easier to work than others, and some are more robust than others. Read up on them, and consider carrying some chemicals as a backup. Boiling requires a fire which, for you tactical types, will advertise your position. Also, at high altitudes, boiling is slow, and the temperature attained may not be enough to work.
db
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I have been using a filter in place of chemicals here for several years. The big baddie hereabouts is giardia (Giardia lamblia, a parasite): a good dose of Giardia will ruin your summer (unless you like the two-step), and would be much more serious if medical care were unavailable. Otherwise, sodium hypochlorite does well, and the chlorine will evap off if you leave the bottle open a crack.
Most of the filter tests I have seen pass all filters tested, some are easier to work than others, and some are more robust than others. Read up on them, and consider carrying some chemicals as a backup. Boiling requires a fire which, for you tactical types, will advertise your position. Also, at high altitudes, boiling is slow, and the temperature attained may not be enough to work.
db
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hso--
It's been a long time since I looked at water purification, but I specifically remember some relatively recent studies proving that chlorine does not disable all the nasties you need to be worried about. Iodine did (at least I thought it did), but needs more carefully handling and compliance with the time/temperature schedules.
There's so many new things on the market I barely have a strategy for this anymore. A lightweight purifier (like the Pur Voyager) with some vitamin C to neutralize the iodine always seemed reasonable. Polar pure bottle as a backup. 'Course, those new plastic water bottles with the suck-through filter look pretty handy, though they're filters and not purifiers.
Joe
It's been a long time since I looked at water purification, but I specifically remember some relatively recent studies proving that chlorine does not disable all the nasties you need to be worried about. Iodine did (at least I thought it did), but needs more carefully handling and compliance with the time/temperature schedules.
There's so many new things on the market I barely have a strategy for this anymore. A lightweight purifier (like the Pur Voyager) with some vitamin C to neutralize the iodine always seemed reasonable. Polar pure bottle as a backup. 'Course, those new plastic water bottles with the suck-through filter look pretty handy, though they're filters and not purifiers.
Joe
When in doubt, we add the idodine, wait until the alloted amount of time then filter through an MSR or other filter.
Also understand that many filters do not filter as good as others. A .2 or .3 micron filter will usually take longer to filter than high output models that filter at a higher micron level.
Also understand that many filters do not filter as good as others. A .2 or .3 micron filter will usually take longer to filter than high output models that filter at a higher micron level.
Best non-chemical water purification system on the market is FIRST NEED. The only one I know of approved by the EPA (.1 microns) Cost $75. Boiling your water takes fuel. and even more at higher altitudes. Many microbes produce endospores that take over 15 minutes of temperatures at 212 degrees to kill.
War Child,
What's the flow rate on the .1 filter? In my mind, flow rate compared to protection is about like many of the knife debate discussions - it all depends on your particular circumstances.
If I have to be moving fast, then dropping an iodine pill and dunking the canteen may be more life-sustaining than losing the 2 minutes to filter a quart of water. Not to mention the weight difference.
Just a thought...Jeff
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jeff@jungletraining.com
What's the flow rate on the .1 filter? In my mind, flow rate compared to protection is about like many of the knife debate discussions - it all depends on your particular circumstances.
If I have to be moving fast, then dropping an iodine pill and dunking the canteen may be more life-sustaining than losing the 2 minutes to filter a quart of water. Not to mention the weight difference.
Just a thought...Jeff
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jeff@jungletraining.com
I have used a Katadyn filter for 7 years in South America, Africa, Eastern Europe, and the US/Canda. I have had no problems with it so far. I have replaced the ceramic filter twice. We are presently experimenting with Coloidal silver impregnated hydration carriers and are waiting for the results. Other than that I have not kept up with any of the new systems/chemicals. I would be interested in feedback on this.
Cheers,
ts
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"Cet animal est tres mechant;quand on l'attaque il se defend."("This animal is very mischievous: when it is attacked it defends itself")
Cheers,
ts
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"Cet animal est tres mechant;quand on l'attaque il se defend."("This animal is very mischievous: when it is attacked it defends itself")
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If you're worried about boiling at altitude, rig a pressure cooker.
You are never without ample fuel, most anywhere you can find something that burns that won't release toxic vapors. Heck, in the deserts of the Middle East they burn dung. Those vapors may kill you, but they aren't toxic in the true sense.
The great thing about burning dung is that it makes you your own powerplant; the food you eat gets excreted and then you form it like clay into bricks, and dry it in the Sun. You can then burn those bricks to provide heat and light for purifying water, cooking food, or just warmth.
Filters are a good idea too, but they have a finite lifespan, and are just another piece of gear to add weight or get lost. They are a lot lighter than carrying purified water itself, but they clog pretty quick. At least where I am.
Solar stills work for desalination, which is a concern in the 10,000 Islands where fresh water is in short supply, but clear plastic ones degrade pretty quick. I'm experimenting with one made of sailcloth. On a sunny day you can just barely desalinate enough water to live on with one, you'd probably want several going. The plus side is that you can use them to trap rainwater too, and if you have two one can hold the water while the other shades it to slow evaporation.
Two six foot x six foot squares of sailcloth with grommets can be lashed together and used for a bunch of other stuff too. I'm not sure if this would ever become part of my regular gear, but you can live in it at night and make water(hehehe) with it during the day. You could even use them as a sail if you've got a boat. Or skateboard, or roller skates.
Which brings us to a bugout vehicle you may not have considered;
The fun thing to do whenever a huricane comes this way is to get a bedsheet and some rollerskates and a friend, one person at each side of the sheet, each of you hold both the corners on your side, get the wind at your back, and away you go. You can do this with four people too, one for each corner.
You can get some crazy speed this way, I've seen people pass cars... If you want to slow down you just luff the sheet.
Anyway, sail powered rollerskates might just be the ticket for getting that heavy pack on down the road. You could bring all the gear you wanted, since little wheels on your feet is more efficient for hard sidewalks and roads than boots or sneakers anyway, and you won't have to do much work since you've got the sail.
By using what nature provides, harnessing the power of Wind, Sun, and Dung, you can build a better world after the impending economic and social collapse.
You are never without ample fuel, most anywhere you can find something that burns that won't release toxic vapors. Heck, in the deserts of the Middle East they burn dung. Those vapors may kill you, but they aren't toxic in the true sense.
The great thing about burning dung is that it makes you your own powerplant; the food you eat gets excreted and then you form it like clay into bricks, and dry it in the Sun. You can then burn those bricks to provide heat and light for purifying water, cooking food, or just warmth.
Filters are a good idea too, but they have a finite lifespan, and are just another piece of gear to add weight or get lost. They are a lot lighter than carrying purified water itself, but they clog pretty quick. At least where I am.
Solar stills work for desalination, which is a concern in the 10,000 Islands where fresh water is in short supply, but clear plastic ones degrade pretty quick. I'm experimenting with one made of sailcloth. On a sunny day you can just barely desalinate enough water to live on with one, you'd probably want several going. The plus side is that you can use them to trap rainwater too, and if you have two one can hold the water while the other shades it to slow evaporation.
Two six foot x six foot squares of sailcloth with grommets can be lashed together and used for a bunch of other stuff too. I'm not sure if this would ever become part of my regular gear, but you can live in it at night and make water(hehehe) with it during the day. You could even use them as a sail if you've got a boat. Or skateboard, or roller skates.
Which brings us to a bugout vehicle you may not have considered;
The fun thing to do whenever a huricane comes this way is to get a bedsheet and some rollerskates and a friend, one person at each side of the sheet, each of you hold both the corners on your side, get the wind at your back, and away you go. You can do this with four people too, one for each corner.
You can get some crazy speed this way, I've seen people pass cars... If you want to slow down you just luff the sheet.
Anyway, sail powered rollerskates might just be the ticket for getting that heavy pack on down the road. You could bring all the gear you wanted, since little wheels on your feet is more efficient for hard sidewalks and roads than boots or sneakers anyway, and you won't have to do much work since you've got the sail.
By using what nature provides, harnessing the power of Wind, Sun, and Dung, you can build a better world after the impending economic and social collapse.
One thing that would help streamline and direct this thread is the clasification of the type of "survival kit" one would invision needing.
What do you wish to be prepaired for.
E&E, personal disaster survival until rescued, Community survival until help arrives, emergency relocation from a disaster area, or the complete rebuilding of society as we know it.
What time frame do you envision needing to be self reliant? A day, week, month, months, for the rest of your life?
What level of standard of living do you think or wish to be able to support?
I know this is stretching the envelope as far as this forum. But, a fare number of us basic tool users seem to be interested in this thread and the best survival tool man as a species has is his intellect and group experience. Most of us play well together and are willing to share our knowledge.
Cheers,
ts
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"Cet animal est tres mechant;quand on l'attaque il se defend."("This animal is very mischievous: when it is attacked it defends itself")
What do you wish to be prepaired for.
E&E, personal disaster survival until rescued, Community survival until help arrives, emergency relocation from a disaster area, or the complete rebuilding of society as we know it.
What time frame do you envision needing to be self reliant? A day, week, month, months, for the rest of your life?
What level of standard of living do you think or wish to be able to support?
I know this is stretching the envelope as far as this forum. But, a fare number of us basic tool users seem to be interested in this thread and the best survival tool man as a species has is his intellect and group experience. Most of us play well together and are willing to share our knowledge.
Cheers,
ts
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"Cet animal est tres mechant;quand on l'attaque il se defend."("This animal is very mischievous: when it is attacked it defends itself")
The most efficient mode of non-motorized transport is the canoe. This is a universal craft throughout the world. The easiest pathways for travel until the advent of motorcars and highways has been water. A man in a canoe can carry enough tools/equipment to start a nation.
ts
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"Cet animal est tres mechant;quand on l'attaque il se defend."("This animal is very mischievous: when it is attacked it defends itself")
ts
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"Cet animal est tres mechant;quand on l'attaque il se defend."("This animal is very mischievous: when it is attacked it defends itself")