War Child,
Where do I find info on this filter? Web site?
Not doubting your word, but this is phenomenal compared to the MSR Mini-Works and other filters we have used.
The MSR has an advertised flow rate of 90 seconds per litre new, and it only filters to .3 microns.
I've used other filters with higher flow rates but higher micron rates usually accompany that.
Does this filter have a ceramic cartridge and also what is the average lifespan of the elements? What about size and weight...I'm interested and need input.
The problem we run into mainly is the tannic acid enriched tributaries play hell with filters. Usually leaving a thin scummy film clogging or greatly reducing water flow. We have found that muddy creeks do better than clear tannic acid streams. - Jeff
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Where do I find info on this filter? Web site?
Not doubting your word, but this is phenomenal compared to the MSR Mini-Works and other filters we have used.
The MSR has an advertised flow rate of 90 seconds per litre new, and it only filters to .3 microns.
I've used other filters with higher flow rates but higher micron rates usually accompany that.
Does this filter have a ceramic cartridge and also what is the average lifespan of the elements? What about size and weight...I'm interested and need input.
The problem we run into mainly is the tannic acid enriched tributaries play hell with filters. Usually leaving a thin scummy film clogging or greatly reducing water flow. We have found that muddy creeks do better than clear tannic acid streams. - Jeff
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100#+ is a ballbuster. You will need to get that weight down as even a 60 to 70 pound pack is hard to negotiate any real terrain with. I was wondering if anyone here had experience with a travois? We used these as kids and coud haul more than our body weight for long stretches. Assume fairly flat ground. In the mountains and marsh they may not be useful but otherwise they are pretty good. I gould see 100#+ on one of these.
I was thinking of building a travois with a off-road bike wheel at one end. If you were able it could hook to your bike. If not, a good belt and shoulder harness rig and off you go. Could be used for all sots of things... Sound feasable?
Sam-
I was thinking of building a travois with a off-road bike wheel at one end. If you were able it could hook to your bike. If not, a good belt and shoulder harness rig and off you go. Could be used for all sots of things... Sound feasable?
Sam-
The kayak seems to work well, and is probably better suited for rougher water considering that it was developed for use in the Bering sea and such. They didn't seem to be as well as developed for carrying heavy loads though, like some of the large canoes. The ulu was also an interesting development, as were snow goggles.
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Snickersnee sez:
>>The great thing about burning dung is that it makes you your own powerplant; the food you eat gets excreted and then you form it like clay into bricks, and dry it in the Sun. You can then burn those bricks to provide heat and light for purifying water, cooking food, or just warmth.
Wow! You must really be "full of **it" to produce that much dung.
Sorry. Couldn't resist that one...
BTW, my personal survival kit always includes plenty of hand grenades. Useful for fishing, killing small game, etc. I also like to carry a car door, because when it gets too hot outside, I can always roll down the window.
>>The great thing about burning dung is that it makes you your own powerplant; the food you eat gets excreted and then you form it like clay into bricks, and dry it in the Sun. You can then burn those bricks to provide heat and light for purifying water, cooking food, or just warmth.
Wow! You must really be "full of **it" to produce that much dung.
Sorry. Couldn't resist that one...
BTW, my personal survival kit always includes plenty of hand grenades. Useful for fishing, killing small game, etc. I also like to carry a car door, because when it gets too hot outside, I can always roll down the window.
This site: http://www.generalecologyeurope.com/firstneed.html says the purifier rate is 1.7 liters per min. They probably mean 1.7 pints. I would go with what general ecology (USA) states, since the make the product. I don't know how that compared to what you have used. Hope that helps.
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I hope you guys realized all that talk of dung was "tongue in cheek"(yuck!)... I don't really have a scat fetish.
People have been traveling via watercraft for longer than there have been people, well, modern humans anyway. Homo Erectus
was plying the oceans a million years ago and thusly populated the islands of Java, and possibly even Australia.
The Australian Aborigines have been in Australia for 40,000 years, that's as long as modern humans have been around. There is good evidence that they reached South America before the Asiatic peoples who are the direct ancestors of the modern Native Americans arrived.
A travois is a pretty good idea, if terrain allows. Wheels are definately a good idea, even improve terrain handling. Just like how wheel barrow is a hundredfold improvement over barrow.
I don't see a difference between gear needed for short term or long term survival, or rebuilding society for that matter. It's just a matter of using your time to improve your lot in life through the mass production of devices and inventions. Besides, there'll be plenty of crap left over after the fall of civilization. Don't you ever watch Mad Max?
If I'm gonna live somewhere, I'm gonna build a permanent shelter. If I have a permanent shelter, and a few friends, we've got the begining of a new civilization. Oh yeah, you need some weapons too.
Stone Age to Iron Age doesn't take so long for a well read modern human. Now Iron Age to Space, that takes a while. You can definately do the late 19th, early 20th century thing without too much trouble, then it all grows exponentialy from there. Unless you're in some really God-forsaken country without the most basic raw materials and recources.
People have been traveling via watercraft for longer than there have been people, well, modern humans anyway. Homo Erectus
The Australian Aborigines have been in Australia for 40,000 years, that's as long as modern humans have been around. There is good evidence that they reached South America before the Asiatic peoples who are the direct ancestors of the modern Native Americans arrived.
A travois is a pretty good idea, if terrain allows. Wheels are definately a good idea, even improve terrain handling. Just like how wheel barrow is a hundredfold improvement over barrow.
I don't see a difference between gear needed for short term or long term survival, or rebuilding society for that matter. It's just a matter of using your time to improve your lot in life through the mass production of devices and inventions. Besides, there'll be plenty of crap left over after the fall of civilization. Don't you ever watch Mad Max?
If I'm gonna live somewhere, I'm gonna build a permanent shelter. If I have a permanent shelter, and a few friends, we've got the begining of a new civilization. Oh yeah, you need some weapons too.
Stone Age to Iron Age doesn't take so long for a well read modern human. Now Iron Age to Space, that takes a while. You can definately do the late 19th, early 20th century thing without too much trouble, then it all grows exponentialy from there. Unless you're in some really God-forsaken country without the most basic raw materials and recources.
My personal survival kit depends on where I am venturing at the time. Mostly when I go on hiking trips into remote locations I always include the following in my survival kit:
1. several band aids in various sizes.
2. water proof matches.
3. bottle of aspirin.
4. lip balm.
5. iodine tablets.
6. solar survival blanket.
7. 50' monofilament.
8. 10 small fish hooks.
9. large leaf bag.
10. a hand held flare (found at most boating supply stores).
You will notice that I didn't include a compass in my kit....thats because I usually have a compass around my neck
Lonnie
1. several band aids in various sizes.
2. water proof matches.
3. bottle of aspirin.
4. lip balm.
5. iodine tablets.
6. solar survival blanket.
7. 50' monofilament.
8. 10 small fish hooks.
9. large leaf bag.
10. a hand held flare (found at most boating supply stores).
You will notice that I didn't include a compass in my kit....thats because I usually have a compass around my neck
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A few notes. I keep a cleaning kit for my pistol in a cigar tube. The cigar tube is wrapped with duct tape for future use.
Paper coffee filters can be used to prefilter dirty water, thus saving the cartridge in your filter.
A light weight solar powered LED light like the Startronics will handle most of your lighting needs. Four hours of light on an eight hour charge. It's like having four Photons on at once.
If it's a real disaster or martial law related bug out, the tiny Sony SW100 will all you to listen in to shortwave, broadcast and SSB Ham or military radio. You will need information on what's going on. Of course a home brew solar charger or the Startronics AA charge adapter would be necessary.
If you are severely paranoid and running from the New World Order, forget a GPS or any electronic stuff. Even an electronic wristwatch can be tracked via satellite.
Paper coffee filters can be used to prefilter dirty water, thus saving the cartridge in your filter.
A light weight solar powered LED light like the Startronics will handle most of your lighting needs. Four hours of light on an eight hour charge. It's like having four Photons on at once.
If it's a real disaster or martial law related bug out, the tiny Sony SW100 will all you to listen in to shortwave, broadcast and SSB Ham or military radio. You will need information on what's going on. Of course a home brew solar charger or the Startronics AA charge adapter would be necessary.
If you are severely paranoid and running from the New World Order, forget a GPS or any electronic stuff. Even an electronic wristwatch can be tracked via satellite.
SammyB,
Yeah, I agree... 100 lbs is an awful lot, and I'd really like to get it down to no more than 80 lbs..., which would seem do-able (though it might require accepting less time-range, and redundancies.)
Hopefully, I'll have use of my car, and the weight discussion will be academic. In the car, I'd add a clothing kit, a "primary survival kit extension", plus very heavy items like an extra few thousand rds. of .308, maybe 10-15,000 rds. .22, a cast iron dutch oven plus several other cast iron cooking pans, Katadyn drip filter, 15 gal. Water carrier, 5 gal. Water carrier, .45 ammo, Kimber Pro Carry Custom .45, BM59, Flak jacket, Dishwashing detergent, Soap, Snare wire spools, several extra pairs boots, Froe, Leather punch, Washboard, Clothing soap, Wash tub, Bucket, Solar shower, a thick sleeping mat.
Though..., if I'm relegated to "on foot", I've got several carts, or a large wheeled "hand truck", that might suffice to get my hundred pound pack into the mountains, even if it means wrestling it through woods.
Kirk
Yeah, I agree... 100 lbs is an awful lot, and I'd really like to get it down to no more than 80 lbs..., which would seem do-able (though it might require accepting less time-range, and redundancies.)
Hopefully, I'll have use of my car, and the weight discussion will be academic. In the car, I'd add a clothing kit, a "primary survival kit extension", plus very heavy items like an extra few thousand rds. of .308, maybe 10-15,000 rds. .22, a cast iron dutch oven plus several other cast iron cooking pans, Katadyn drip filter, 15 gal. Water carrier, 5 gal. Water carrier, .45 ammo, Kimber Pro Carry Custom .45, BM59, Flak jacket, Dishwashing detergent, Soap, Snare wire spools, several extra pairs boots, Froe, Leather punch, Washboard, Clothing soap, Wash tub, Bucket, Solar shower, a thick sleeping mat.
Though..., if I'm relegated to "on foot", I've got several carts, or a large wheeled "hand truck", that might suffice to get my hundred pound pack into the mountains, even if it means wrestling it through woods.
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I won't bore you with my kit. I have gone the whole spectrum from increasing it every time I think of a need that lacks ..... 90% of the stuff is never used and replaced when expired.
We tend to start from a mind set of starting where we are now ....civilisation. We need to start from the other end ....what is the essence of our needs ?
Survive what? Remember that all the kit won't help if you haven't got the grey stuff between the ears with experience included. We tend to make up for our lacking knowledge by increasing our kit. Doc Ron and Jeff, what have you seen true survivalist in the third world carry ?
No more comments ;-)
Aubrey
We tend to start from a mind set of starting where we are now ....civilisation. We need to start from the other end ....what is the essence of our needs ?
Survive what? Remember that all the kit won't help if you haven't got the grey stuff between the ears with experience included. We tend to make up for our lacking knowledge by increasing our kit. Doc Ron and Jeff, what have you seen true survivalist in the third world carry ?
No more comments ;-)
Aubrey
While I have been reading the forum about bug out kits and what to carry, I enjoy all the peoples opinions. The question I have is what about the price of these kits (I know that most of these are made to suit each individual, but what about the cost? Some of these are high end, what about people with smaller budgets? Are there any barter groups?
I found a couple on the web but you trade services for barter dollars to be spent with them. (Not really for me) I really enjoy the forum and would like to see others thoughts on this.
I found a couple on the web but you trade services for barter dollars to be spent with them. (Not really for me) I really enjoy the forum and would like to see others thoughts on this.
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My Project 1 cost more than all items in my kit put together. Most high end knives cost significantly more than all my kit put together.
You don't need a whole lot, and it doesn't have to cost a lot.
Most "true survivalists" in the various uncivilized parts of undeveloped countries use junk. Most of their stuff sucks and we can do a lot better here. Not that their stuff doesn't work, but it tends to be of low quality, and hence low cost. Oh yeah, they tend to be minimalists too. Well, except for things like cultural artifacts, because they aren't survivalists at all, they're just people who live in primitive conditions.
In context, a Wall Street banker in New York City is as much a "true survivalist" as a bushman out living in some jungle. Neither will do too well in the others environment; though the New York buisnessman probably has a higher liklihood of having been exposed to wilderness survival skills through adventure or ecco-tourism than the bushman has liklihood to have been exposed to trading stocks and high finance; yet alone tackling or formidable tax code.
You don't need a whole lot, and it doesn't have to cost a lot.
Most "true survivalists" in the various uncivilized parts of undeveloped countries use junk. Most of their stuff sucks and we can do a lot better here. Not that their stuff doesn't work, but it tends to be of low quality, and hence low cost. Oh yeah, they tend to be minimalists too. Well, except for things like cultural artifacts, because they aren't survivalists at all, they're just people who live in primitive conditions.
In context, a Wall Street banker in New York City is as much a "true survivalist" as a bushman out living in some jungle. Neither will do too well in the others environment; though the New York buisnessman probably has a higher liklihood of having been exposed to wilderness survival skills through adventure or ecco-tourism than the bushman has liklihood to have been exposed to trading stocks and high finance; yet alone tackling or formidable tax code.
In response to an earlier post, I would not choose Bradford Angier's book for edible plants. A better book would be Peterson's "A Field Guide to Edible Wild Plants." I prefer this to even the colorful Outdoor Life Book, "Field Guide to North American Edible Wild Plants." With the Petersen Guide, you will be more successful and more safe in keying out unknown plants. The book is very detailed, the illustrations are excellent, and there are some color photos for the botanically phobic.
Although many edible plant books will tell you what is edible, you will find that you will tire quickly from eating most of the "edible plants" unless you spend some time in proper peparation. Therefore, if your goal is extended survival, you may want to invest in a good edible plants cookbook. One of the better ones is Billy Joe Tatum's Wild Foods Cookbook and Field Guide. Another is "Wild Greens and Salads" by Christopher Nyerges.
At any rate, if you are serious about surviving on wild plants, I wouldn't wait until you are faced with a survival situation to learn about plants. It takes years of experience to survive *well* on edible plants.
For instance, many of the foods that have high survival value are starchy roots or tubers. Often you will only find them by an above-ground rosette. Unless you've keyed these plants out before and have become familiar with them, you will have a difficult time in identification. Same is true for young shoots that are some of the most flavorful of edible plants. Young shoots are next to impossible to key out unless you know the plant from experience.
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Although many edible plant books will tell you what is edible, you will find that you will tire quickly from eating most of the "edible plants" unless you spend some time in proper peparation. Therefore, if your goal is extended survival, you may want to invest in a good edible plants cookbook. One of the better ones is Billy Joe Tatum's Wild Foods Cookbook and Field Guide. Another is "Wild Greens and Salads" by Christopher Nyerges.
At any rate, if you are serious about surviving on wild plants, I wouldn't wait until you are faced with a survival situation to learn about plants. It takes years of experience to survive *well* on edible plants.
For instance, many of the foods that have high survival value are starchy roots or tubers. Often you will only find them by an above-ground rosette. Unless you've keyed these plants out before and have become familiar with them, you will have a difficult time in identification. Same is true for young shoots that are some of the most flavorful of edible plants. Young shoots are next to impossible to key out unless you know the plant from experience.
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One thing I haven't seen mentioned in this thread, but is always in my kit is a small bottle of Tabasco sauce.
Is it essential to survival? No. But in some situations, we may have no choice but to eat some things that may be down right revolting(been there, done that). A few drops of Tabasco go a long way towards making just about anything, even rat meat or rice bugs, more agreeable to the taste buds.
Blackdog
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Is it essential to survival? No. But in some situations, we may have no choice but to eat some things that may be down right revolting(been there, done that). A few drops of Tabasco go a long way towards making just about anything, even rat meat or rice bugs, more agreeable to the taste buds.
Blackdog
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