Survival Knives...again.

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Greetings, one and all. I’m relatively new to the forums and this is my first post.

I’m prior military, a former mountain guide, a Scout Master and I enjoy the outdoors all the way around. I’ve even taught survival for a short while but I still have a lot to learn.

I’m looking for a survival knife. I know there is no “The One Knife That Can Do It All.”
At least I haven’t found it. I have a large folder (Spyderco Military in CPM440V) and I like the convenience of it, and I’m considering getting the AG Russell Featherlite knife with FRN handles, ATS-34 steel and a kydex neck knife sheath. I have various SAKs but they don’t make the perfect one for me (I want a one-hand opening plain blade, a saw, a metal file, and a glow-in-the-dark handle with a high-pitch whistle and a high-intensity LED built into it, all with a higher quality steel. Wishful thinking, I know!). I always carry at least 2 pocket knives in the outdoors, along with a Leatherman P4 and scalpel blades in my survival kit. My survival equipment is one of the heaviest things I carry because I’ve put myself in too many hairy situations before and actually use these things.

I want it to build debris shelters, snares, use it to prepare food and for general camp chores. I want to be able to baton the knife to make kindling if I need to, but I want it to be relatively light and convenient (I’m an ultralight backpacker and alpinist). I know that an axe would be better for this, but they’re heavy (I’m looking at the GB Small Forest Axe and the Roselli Long Axe, and am leaning towards the latter.) I know that I could carry a saw, but saws are not multi-use (I have an Ultimate Survivor Pocket Chain Saw and a Sawvivor). Again, weight is always an issue for me.

This is what I’m looking for, so please tell me if I’m off.

I’m looking for a blade between 4” and 6” long. I know there are plenty of proponents of large blades like the RTAK, Battle Mistress, machetes, parangs and goloks (I’m eye-balling a BRKT golok right now with orange G-10 handles), but again weight is an issue and they’re much more difficult to carry.

I’m looking for a blade that is thicker than typical moras, which I find too thin for batoning. Great knives, but I want something heavier duty, even though that means heavier weight.

I like G-10 for scales (although I’ve never owned a knife with micarta handles as I’ve read that they can absorb moisture), and I like the idea of bright handles because without a knife I’m in trouble (plan on learning to knap but that’s a ways down on the list of skills to acquire).

I like low maintenance, so I usually buy stainless. Steels I own and like are ATS-34 and ATS-55 (Gerber EZ Out and Spyderco Dyad with carbon fibre handles), 154CM (Emerson Commander and MOD Scorpion neck knife), and 440C (multiple knives, as I find this to be a good all-around steel). I understand that VG-10 and BG-42 are supposed to be good, but I’ve never used them. I don’t have much experience with carbon and tool steels other than 1095 machetes. I understand that 01, A2, D2, and INFI are good but I don’t know the differences in them so am not knowledgeable enough to make informed decisions about them. This is obviously an area that I need the most help in, and the area that is probably in the most debate on these forums. I should also note that I’m crap at sharpening. I use a little pocket sharpener from Gerber or a Lansky sharpening system because I’m too inept at everything else. (SIGH!) Another skill set to learn.

Drop points seem to make the most sense to me. Clip points are supposed to be good also, but I fear that the thinner tip may make batonning more difficult. Any opinions on this? The Loveless drop point design seems most ideal to me, but knives shaped like Canadian belt knives (Grohmann #1SF Large Camper Knife or a DH Russell Canadian Belt Knife) seems like they would work well as an all-around knife but I’ve never handled one.

What grind? A flat ground seems best for my purposes, but I keep hearing convex grinds are good. Keep in mind that I suck at sharpening?

I know this is long, but any help that you can provide would be greatly appreciated. I’m sure I’ll have lots of questions and I’m sure this will be a long search.

Thanks in advance!

Kage
 
The first knife that jumps in my mind is the Foster Fears Survival Knife.

I was in a passaround for them and was very impressed.

http://www.fosterknives.com/fears.php

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You might want to look into having Justin Gingrich of Ranger Knives making a knife for you to your specifications for a very reasonable price. For example, he could make you a spear-point RD-4 (4" blade) or RD-6(6" blade) or something in-between. He generally works with 1095 or 5160, but he'll also use other steels if you prefer (though this could drive the price up. His RDs are .25" at the spine, but he'll also work with thinner stock if you prefer. His knives are excellent.

www.rangerknives.com
 
Based on what YOU are looking for, one of the Bark River Bushcraft knives would be a potential.

http://www.barkriverknifetool.com/bushcraft/index.html

A2 is a high carbon tool steel which is not considered stainless, however, it does "stain less" than other high carbon steels, so it does not need the attention a Mora or 1095 would need.

I have batonned a fair amount with Moras, and my Bark River Northstar and Woodland Special. Never had a problem with the Mora, but the convex grind and thicker spine on the Bark Rivers is more efficient for the task.

However, when it comes to the knife I carry to the woods, I go for the Mora everytime.

- It is lighter around my neck
- The rounded handle is more comfortable for extended use, especially heavy tasks like carving or taking down small saplings or limbs
- Scandi ground couldn't be easier to sharpen and stays consistent over time
- When doing fine work, the thinner blade works better for me.
- Being a consistent thickness
> it is easier to choke up on the blade for fine work using the tip
> easier and safer to use when striking a spark

But like you said, you want something a little heavier than the Mora, I would definately look at the Bark River knives, great quality and functionality.
 
I would suggest a RAT-5, because I love the RAT series knives. Not to expensive, but very well built, good design and materials. You can have custom orange handles made, you could even go with G10 :) here is a pict.
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If you really want the micarta handles I would suggest a RAT-5 or RAT-7 the a D2 blade from Ontario Knife Company. Ive never held one so I cant comment on the weight but they look to be build solid and I have heard nothing but good things. The Cold Steel SRK would be a good one to conciter, its large enough for light batonning and small trees and such but Im finding it also works well around camp too. The 3/16" blade is thicker than the moras. If you are willing to go a little smaller a Cold Steel Master Hunter is an excellent choice as well. I own both the SRK and the Master Hunter and I have to say I am rather impressed with them.
 
Wade and ghostguy said it.
Too bad your limiting yourself to 4" to 6".

The Rat-7 has the heft and would baton very well. But, if 7" is just too much, go to the Rat-5.

Carbon steels are great, especially on thicker knives. 1095 is an easy steel to sharpen, relatively speaking. They tend to be "coated" and resist corrosion pretty well. I personally like SS in smaller kinves an folders, but veer away from it on bigger thicker knives.

D2 is quite durable, but, given the comments about sharpening, I'm hesitant to suggest D2.
 
so far there have been some great sugestions.....:thumbup:

i am a big fan of bark river knives i have about 10 of them.. i can recommend the northstar, scout, or the aurora as awesome all around camp/bushcraft knives.... www.dlttradingcompany.com is the BRKT dealer that i use.. great folks...

ranger knives are also very nice for the $$$.. i have an rd-7...:D
 
Hey Guys...

The Last Confederate...

That's a nice looking sheath on that Fears..

:)

ttyle

Eric
O/ST
 
I would like to suggest taking a look atwww.scrapyardknives.com

a new addition to the Busse family that shares the impeccable warranty.

The Resiprene C handles are tough, and light compared to micarta. They are also easier on the hands for extended work, and have the distinction of being the only "rubber" handles on the market that are unconditionally warranted.

Modified S7 steel (SR77) Insanely tough.

Great price too. A Scrapper 6 could suit your needs well.

Or, if Money is not too limited, a Busse Satin Jack would be another great choice.

Oh, and welcome to the forums!
 
One thing we never establish....Price Range.

i think if folks would give us a good $50 range ( $50 to $100, $100 to $150, and so on) we could probably narrow down the suggestions.

I normally don't offer up or suggest expensive ones, due to budgets and availability.

Kage actually did a great job of describing his use, experience level, etc.
One of the best laid out questions I've seen for a while.

"Survival Knife" Sticky Thread would be nice.

RatFinkenstein, man that avatar makes me laugh everytime i see it! :)
Scrapyard is a good suggestion.
 
Another Cold Steel Master Hunter user/fan here. The full flat grind gives it very good cutting ability, yes, I tested it on slicing onions as well as cutting/splitting kindling ;) It's definitely sturdy enough for the uses you describe, and comfortable enough that I've used it for hours just whittling and goofing around, with nary a cramp or blister. (I questioned whether it was too big for general utility use when I got it, I proved myself wrong.) Not too big or heavy on the belt, either. The sheath is butt-ugly IMO but it's very secure. It's available in high carbon steel, or in AUS-8 stainless. http://www.bladematrix.tv/index.asp...H&txtSearch=master+hunter&btnSearch=GO&Page=1 I paid <$50 for mine (NIB) last summer. If it was the only edged tool I had camping or hiking, I would be totally confident.

There are literally dozens of great quallity kinves that fit your criteria, in many price ranges. Your biggest challenge will be choosing just one :D Half the battle is already one, clearly you know what you want and need.
 
I love my BRKT NorthStar and Aurora. They are hair popping sharp and slice right through wood. The Auroa has a better handle and more comfortable over extended use ,as well as a longer blade. Although the NorthStar is also a good pick. Another good one is the Fox River. It has more of a belly than the two Bushcraft knives, more toward the hunters, but Mike Stewart (owner of BRKT) says its his "go too blade" for fieldcraft use. Moras are also good, they cheap and are good use knives (the NorthStar's design is somewhat based off of the mora's). Also mora's and some BRKT models come in 12c27 (a stainless) steel. The best way is to pick one that pops out to you and try it out, good hunting.

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Great answers so far everybody! I really appreciate all of the quick responses and the friendly tone.

I haven't figured out the format here so I'll just respond to everything I can remember instead of quoting.

As far as my specifications go I'm not locked into them and I'm very open to other ideas about size, steel, grind, etc. I'm just looking for options and hoping to find a tested knife (as opposed to buying and hoping for the best. Been there, done that.)

As far as price goes I'm not opposed to spending money on a good knife. I'll save up my pennies and buy whatever best suits my needs.

The Foster Fears looks like a good knife for a good price, but I'm not familiar with this company. I'll have to do some research on this knife and thank you for another option, The Last Confederate.

The Ranger looks like another good option and they're surprisingly cheap. I've read a couple of reviews about them but only looked at them in passing. How do you guys like yours? The RD6 & 7 both look promising. How do you like 5160? Is it easy to sharpen and how badly does it rust?

I've been looking long and hard at Bark River, but I'm having trouble deciding the best one for the job. They seem to be more readily available than many other knives and seem about average on price for a good quality fixed blade. For the most part, the reviews on BRKTs have been very favorable, but as we all know most major knife companies have their hardcore, diehard fans. I'm curious to see the OMF II when it comes out.

Quiet Bear, I'm still going to get a mora to throw into my BOB. I just remember shredding my baton when batonning wood before. I'm considering getting a Mora 2000, although some of the other Scandinavians look great, like the Helle Symfoni and the Roselli Carpenter UHC, which are also relatively inexpensive.

The Rats seem like a lot of knife for the money, but I can't help but feel there are better knives out there. I have read quite a few reviews on them, but they seemed to be a mixed bag. Everybody has their prejudices and preferences though, so reviews need to be taken with a grain of salt. I tend to read a review based on my needs. Thei Rats availability in D2 is nice, but that would mean that I need to move "knife sharpening" up my list of Skills to Learn.

I'm not a big fan of Cold Steel. My experience with them has been mostly negative. Lots of guys in the military have them because of their attainable prices, but they don't seem to survive the (overly) harsh punishment that even my Gerbers do. My Gerber BMF that I picked up back in 1992 came back for more and more with only a chip out of one of the teeth on the saw back (I wish I had gotten it without the saw back). Cold Steels SRK seem like an alright knife design but for just a few dollars more I could get a Ranger or Scrap Yard, which seem like MUCH better knives.

Swamp Rats seem like great knives, but their availability is spotty. If I were to get a large knife, it would be a Busse (INFI seems amazing!). If I couldn't get one of those I would get a Ratweiller, but those are no longer made and I don't want to pay the high prices of after market. The M6 looks great but is it better than some of the other knives that are $50-100 cheaper? Their fans seem to think so, but what is their reasoning? Somebody needs to build a GIGANTIC knife shop that stocks all of the knives that I want so that I can get a feel for them, and they need to build it next door to me.

Rat Finkenstein, do you have a Scrap Yard? They look good, especially coming from the Busse factory, but I've read some negative things about them. Complaints about sloppy finishes and badly ground blades. I really need to learn how to sharpen and grind knives, so that these things are less of an issue. Busse's Badger Attack and Satin Jack look great but Busse's just don't seem to be available.

Ghost93- Great picture and good advice. I like the looks of the Auroras and North Stars, and the fact that they are available in a number of handle materials and colors is nice. They sell for about $100 which is amazing to me! I'm leaning towards BRKT more than any other. How do you like A2. Is it easy to sharpen and does it rust badly?

Thanks everyone for the advice so far! Keep it coming if you can!

Kage
 
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