Knowing that a year old order ships does not help knowing when a 3 year old order will ship when dealing with a company like survive. That is one of the many reasons they are not allowed to spread criticism free information here anymore.Yes I know it a mess, the only thing with the pre-sale and pre-orders was there was never a specific date of shipping ever promised vs the 90 day on the weekly sales. A person always had the right to cancel their order which to the best of knowledge nobody has ever been stiffed on. They stopped taking weekly sales orders for about a year, are making progress on 3-4 models and some headway on the backlog albeit never enough until they are all caught up. I still have pre orders from 2015 I am waiting on as well, so yes it would have been nice to have a thread to be able to see what was shipping recently. Sorry for getting involved Oyster, I thought it was a good idea for a thread. Mike out-