Survivor 2 update

K Williams

K Williams

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They actucally killed a wild pig on last weeks episode. One guy chased it and killed it with a knife. The pig seemed to be used to humans though. Probably planted by the show or something. The vegetarian(why a vegetarian would choose to be on a survival show, I don't know...) gets upset/angry at them for killing & eating a pig and walks off into the woods. While the guy is butchering the pig, the rest of them were acting like the'y were are going to get sick or something. This show is a joke.
 
Hey, at least Alicia appreciated that he was provivding for the tribe...LOL.

They filmed this one on a ranvh in Australia....maybe the pigs were somewhat domesticated or accustomed to humans...

~B.
 
And of course they didn't show the actual killing of the pig or the chicken(earlier in the show). It makes no sense. You can buy & eat pork or poultry, but it's considered bad to show one get killed on TV.


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And the predicted knee-jerk response from the animal rights groups here.

The scene as a whole struck me with its authenticity. One guy actually has what it takes to hunt, kill, and butcher the pig. The other folks, pretty typical people, are predictably ambivalent. On the one hand, they were a little sickened by the raw brutality of it all, and on the other hand, once the meat was in identifiable form, were thrilled to pieces to have been provided with it.

An ironic note. Maybe the guy who killed the pig is, relatively speaking, the one with the best wilderness-style survival skills. But being a survivor means assessing your situation correctly and making the right moves to ensure your survival. And the biggest survival variable in this show is obviously the group dynamic. By trying to ensure his position solely by being a good food provider, instead of forming tactical relationships with the other members of the group, he's basically ensuring he'll be kept around until the final few weeks when he's no longer needed, and then thrown out by a group who are smart enough to form an alliance.

Joe
 
i like the guy that killed the pig (yes,i watched the show,shame on me,etc);he knows what he's doing,more so than the others,anyway. friggin' sheep.
 
Maurice,maybe I need to start watching the show...especially if they are "friggin' sheep" on there
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Are these folks from Kentucky and Tennesee?
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I saw that particular part of the show, nothing else. It was pretty funny. The pig was either straight out of a petting zoo or well drugged
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He only had to stab it about 10 times before he realized he should probably cut its throat and actually finish the job.Then they take a whole damn day in the sun butchering the thing and none of them make any preparations to smoke the meat or anything else to keep it from spoiling.We'll just smear a little blood on our faces and hang the pig in this tree, it won't go bad
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I was realy impressed with that guys amazing skills at sharpeneing a knife. If I hack the **** out of this jagged rock, It will hit at just the right angle even though I'm not paying any attention and miraculously I'll be able to shave in five minutes
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The same guy that killed the pig just got medevaced out. He was blowing on the fire. inhaled some smoke which made him pass out and fall in the fire. He received some bad burns. Are there any types of wood in Australia that produce toxic smoke?
 
You know we may be missing a trick with this show. Given that enough of us watch it, we have a common reference point in terms of what they have with them to begin to analyze in detail what they are doing wrong - or rather what else they could be doing that they are not - given what they have. We could divide up the recommendations into the traditional areas of food, clothing, shelter, etc. The only thing both sides seem to have gotten going at all consistently at this point is fire (thanks to waterproof matches) and water (thanks to fire).
 
I'm curious about the inhaler they gave the guy for his pain. Anyone have any idea what's up with that?
 
OK i've only watched one episode only because someone wanted me to tape it , it is trash .

A better show is called Pioneer Quest shown on Canada's History channel. It's about two couples who spend a year re-creating homesteading in about 1880, in Manitoba. They go in with $500 of 1880 money. They dig a well , survive the wettest summer on record, hordes of mosquitoes,raise chickens and a pig.Try to plow and farm with horses which proves too tough so they get a neighbour with horses to do it and in trade will cut firewood for him in the winter.They each build a small house of log and lumber.Try to get along with each other. There are two episodes coming up in a month, should be good as the men go hunting with gun and bow.

Anyway the show is about doing things the old way not about some chicks running around in bikinis.
 
Actually, if it weren't for those 'kini's, the show would be a further waste of airtime...

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Pentlatch:
OK i've only watched one episode only because someone wanted me to tape it , it is trash .

A better show is called Pioneer Quest shown on Canada's History channel. It's about two couples who spend a year re-creating homesteading in about 1880, in Manitoba. They go in with $500 of 1880 money. They dig a well , survive the wettest summer on record, hordes of mosquitoes,raise chickens and a pig.Try to plow and farm with horses which proves too tough so they get a neighbour with horses to do it and in trade will cut firewood for him in the winter.They each build a small house of log and lumber.Try to get along with each other. There are two episodes coming up in a month, should be good as the men go hunting with gun and bow.

Anyway the show is about doing things the old way not about some chicks running around in bikinis.
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Again, at the risk of being annoying ...

Being a survivor means being able to assess and understand the risks around you. If you're comparing the show Survivor to Pioneer Quest (which sounds awesome, BTW), you've failed the survivor test, IMO. The show Survivor is a survival test, but what really needs to be survived is the social dynamics, with the wilderness survival component added for drama and to add stress to the players. If you can realize that, and stop holding the show up to "real" survival standards, you might enjoy it more. Plus, the women are way hotter this time around
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Survivor is kind of a embarassing pleasure for me. Sure, it's lowest-common-denominator, but I can't take my eyes off it.

Joe
 
Joe said...
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You hit the nail right on the head. Some people are into watching that dynamic, and some aren't, no problem there. But for those of us who are into watching that dynamic, and at the same time happen to be into practicing survival in the wilderness (on any level) I think we might as well enjoy ourselves with a critique of what is actually going on on the ground that we are privy to watching.

One team has dominated the "rewards challenges" and captured most of the desirable extra items. As the teams merge, it seems obvious which camp is the most desirable, unlike the first show where the two sides were pretty even all in all, though one camp had the fishable reef off shore while the other didn't.

Socially, I think all these people are way too cut-throat, at least for the beginning. For example the first guy kicked out in the first round by Ogakor (the hungriest, wettest, and coldest because the lost most of the rewards) was the guy most likely to get them established. They have found a little food and an occasional fish since then, but he probably had the most food-generating potential. His crime was being away from the social dynamic trying to find food!


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The nasal spray was a substance called Nubain. It is a low potency narcotic that suppodely has a low abuse potential. That is why it found on ambulances and such.


Ron F.
 
Joe- You bet the 'real survival' is the social dynamic part, this does come up very prominently in the Pioneer Quest show as well.

Oh ya - I said the show was trash but I didn't say it wasn't fun watching it
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, especially the Brunette number with the longhair
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Who, Jerry? Amber?

Yeah, I admit I'm a closet Survivor freak. But, more for the dynamic and 'kini's than anything else. I mean, the showdown between the veg and the physical trainer (?) was hysterical. I had wondered about that whole pig thing, too. I thought those things could get mean when threatened?!
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Anyway, I would like to know what kinda smoke knocks ya out that quickly. Or could it just be that he was foolish enough to stand up quickly when the wind shifted. I mean, 100+ deg F heat, he hasn't been eating regularly (apparently), probably more than a little dehydrated, blowing on a fire, and then jumps up. The dude's blood-pressure probably dropped to about 70/30 and out he goes like turning off a light switch. What bothered me is I could easily see it as a mistake I could make, just not thinking. Or maybe that's just me. Definitely made me think, though. Better to learn from someone else's mistakes.

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