Survivorman, sorry...

Cliff are we even talking about the same show? Les uses shelter, or tries, in all of the episode, except when he's trying to beat the clock. Sometimes he gets stuck due to poor planning, or lack of resources or resourcefulness. Have you seen the show where he demonstrates how the show is filmed? It is time consuming to say the least.
I wouldn't tell people not to purify water, and neither does Mr. Stroud.
And yes there was an episode where he uses a camera, but that camera was part of the gear he said he was going to use. He usually has a bag with a coulpe of items in it, if he's not taking bits and pieces of the bike, or snowmobile. And in those cases, he has predetermined what parts he's going to take, and what they will be used for.
And, I was not referring to Survivorman, I was referring to your gun swinging comment. It reminded me of Bugs Bunny.
 
For the record, I don't know anyone who has dropped a 6 foot boulder on a coyote, put an anvil behind a red sheet and made a bull run into it, or cut out a circular hole in the floor and had the entire house collapse while the round piece of floor stayed put,
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You're killin me Jim!

XXOO
-Ebb
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I wonder how much input Mr. Stroud has regarding the editting of the show.
 
X39, from the looks of the "making of" episode, you'd think he had done most of it himself, but that is just the appearance... Actually, it's too bad we haven't seen him on the forum. That would probably settle a few things.

BTW, I settled down now, and I am allowed sharp objects once again. That said, I cannot seem to remember which multitool he always carries. I am a little surprized we haven't seen the manufacturer using the old, "As seen on Survivorman..." routine.

Regards

Jim
 
Jim Craig said:
... I cannot seem to remember which multitool he always carries...
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I know in at least one episode he used a red SAK. The other episodes, they are leatherman like if not a leathermen. But, he just refers to them as "multitool" with the exception when he specifically said he had a SAK.
 
Jim Craig said:
Les uses shelter, or tries, in all of the episode, except when he's trying to beat the clock.
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Several shows he decides not to build a shelter and hopes that the weather doesn't turn, and counts on an open fire for warmth, other times nothing.

As for time constraints, he could narrate the episode at his leisure at home. Or even put up additional web commentary.

However even if he addressed some issues in this manner, it doesn't fix the impression that the instructer doesn't obey the rules he preaches.

I wouldn't tell people not to purify water, and neither does Mr. Stroud.
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He is a survival instructor, self-described on the show, who demonstrates this behavior several times while simulating a survival situation.

-Cliff
 
Les fan :thumbup:

Cool show with flaws but we some need to see things done and thus get enthused about these skills!
 
Jim: I lived in the High Arctic of Nunavut for 9 years and was nodding in agreement about your findings re arctic gear. I was a strong arrogant SOB when I first moved North and it took me several months of pain to get smart about adopting local ways and to hide the high tech gear under the bed. In fact it took a bad case of frost bite where parts of my nose turned black and I thought I might lose a bit of it.

No worries my ugly mug had suffered no permanent damage but it was the scare I needed to open up my mind a bit.

Years later I was given an Inuit name in jest by my Inuk friends and mock adopted into their family. These folks are the greatest on Earth and know how to thrive in a very hard environment, they taught me so much and not just about the outdoors.

I haven't seen the show but my hat goes off for anyione who is raising the profile of wilderness adventure and survival and who has the guts/smarts to live the life and get paid for it.

I wonder if the quibbling that takes part on these threads is jealousy plane and simple... I know I have a twinge of it whenever some bastard turns what we all love into a paying gig.

Oh well I do have much of the next two weeks off.

North61
 
North,

Yes, I feel the same way. Being a cop in Inuvik (hint,hint) does not allow much time to be a TV star. But, if I ever came up with a good idea like Les did, I would certainly think about the possibilites. He is lucky to be able to do all the stuff he does. But then again, he's living his dream, and the guys that do usually make it happen and don't rely on luck....

You should at least try and catch a few of the shows. It isn't perfect, as has been mentioned, but I really enjoy it.
Don't let the :grumpy: crowd sway you.

Jet.
 
Well my Northern police friend, there is a guy down here in the bananna belt of the territories who works as an RCMP officer and is a liason with search and rescue and coast guard.

He gets to play on the land quite a bit, so there are some career moves that can be made.

As for the show my wife is allowing me the choice between high speed internet or cable. So far I have gone internet. Think the Survorman will ever make it to Global or CBC?
 
North,
If I can figure a way to tape it, I will send it to you. I don't have a DVD recorder, and my crappy VCR won't record from my new TV. I will see what I can do, and let you know.

And, I think I know the fellow you're talking about. I may be coming down there for a course that he teaches, sometime in the next year. Save me some bananas. (The Northern Store up here never has any good ones.)

Jet
 
On the water thing there is more than one point of view about whether to purify or not. I've never used a purifier in my life (except on tap water...). I've been camping and climbing for over 40 years, and they didn't start selling them until well into the 3rd quarter, for me. Sure we had chlorine and such, but I have drunk a lot of water also, and never been sick up north.

It's mostly comerce. Someone is making money selling this stuff, and they have to make it seem like a crazy act to drink the same water most of the world would sell it's soul for. Since the Walkerton water tragedy here in Ontario, we have seriously upgraded our water purity standards, and we previously had good ones anyway. SO every municipal system had to be re-examined for compliance. Turns out a heck of a lot of places are cruising along with really bad water systems, with basically their intakes in ponds and such that the Survivorman might well be drinking out the other end of. Big deal.

Ray Jardine noted that he was always getting sick while drinking purified water, and that he later did fine when he just drank straight from the source. His explanation is just that he was more choosey about where he drew his water. If the stuff you are filtering is really a major biohazard, there are lots of points of contact even if the water coming through the filter is fine.

Anyway, real survival is what happens when your regular commercial flight crashes and you aren't carrying anything useful at all. Been there and done that. Funny thing, a guy dribbling blood, urine, and crap on your head, is hardly an inconvenience when the real fun starts.
 
Protactical said:
Anyway, real survival is what happens when your regular commercial flight crashes and you aren't carrying anything useful at all. Been there and done that. Funny thing, a guy dribbling blood, urine, and crap on your head, is hardly an inconvenience when the real fun starts.
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Dude, if you've survived a plane crash in the wilderness, you have to tell us some stories!
 
Jim Craig said:
...Actually, it's too bad we haven't seen him on the forum. That would probably settle a few things...
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I am not surprised at all. I think it would be a disaster! There are numerous "know it all" types on the web forums; Each "knowing it all" about their particular area of interest and/or experience...I am sure I will be accused of it too:D .

I can only imagine the useless sparring and back and forth that would go on if he did show up. I am also sure we would hear someone say it isn't even him, etc...

The dude makes money in a specific ENTERTAINMENT niche of television. He seems to have some characteristics like Howard Stern...that is, 1. people watch to be entertained, or 2. people watch because they think there is something educational, or 3. people watch because they can't stand him/his show and are waiting for his next mistake so they can once again point out just how bad they believe he is.
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this came on and I figured I'll take down some notes on what he did.
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What ever the reason, he is getting paid and people are watching.
 
Usless sparring?
Here?
Nah.

I saw the cast adrift/island episode last friday and thought of this thread...

How may have direct experience using less than potable water for enema hydration?

Now that's entertainment :D
 
LSkylizard said:
I think it would be a disaster!
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That would depend on him. Lots of information comes out of web based discussions, the knife FAQ's for example, Swaim's posts on edge profiles and sharpening, Clark's information on sharpening, specifically on burr removal, Alvin's posts on steels/heat treatment, Steve B.'s huge website and followup book, possom's posts on large bowie balance and construction, all of those guys are active on various web based discussion forms, lists or usenet groups and you can have exchanges with them where you tell them directly they are wrong or disagree with them and it doesn't turn into a disaster, you just hash out both sides of the arguement and figure out what is causing the difference in perspective, some times it goes to email, some times it runs on the web. I have done it with all of them and each of them has done the same in responce to comments I have made, different experience is usually the cause or simply different expectations of performance or level of physical ability. It is productive if the participants want to learn, it isn't otherwise. It is fairly easy to spot the difference and that is what ignore lists and filters are for.

-Cliff
 
The water reminds me of that other survivor show... The all star show when Rudy drank the un purified water, the 73 + year old former Seal. "I drank worse than that" was his reply. I've had a touch of Beaver Fever in 1991 I'm sure there is still a brown spot under a rotted log in Algonquin park from and emergency pitstop! IF the log wasn't rotted when I started it is now.:barf:

I guess Les heard the critiques so he dug up the enima trick so someone could stick it:eek:
 
I was in a real bad crash, but it was one of those accelerated instances where if the first responders don't stop hanging back waiting for the plane to catch fire, we are all bleeding or freezing to death, whichever comes first. My core temp was in the 80s, you can only be so warm in a shirt in -20C. I bled a lot and was bled on (best case) a lot. Multiple compound fractures, crush inguries. the leg of a seat through my bags. It only lasted 3 hours right on the grounds of the airport, but there were still quite a few survival skills that I applied to the situation. But as far as the image of a survival scenario is concerned, making impromptu fires and lots of fancy knifework, it was a big disappointment. But that's all I meant if we are really talking survival, it may not be what one expects.

The stuff I applied was mostly the mindset stuff. Don't expect early rescue, don't die without a fight. The former is from offshore racing where distinguished special ops guy and long distance racer Phil Weld once remarked that on average it takes like 12 ship sightings before one stops to pick you up. The other is just what underpined the original outward bound movement - people pack it in because they no longer expect rescue. Plane folks are an impatient bunch who expect business class rescue services.

The only tool they had on board was a dull Ti axe multitool, which as far as I could see was completely useless. It certainly reduced any fear of canabalism one might have felt, since it would have been hard work with that thing.
 
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