Swick (refined SPOT) update

Hi Carl, the finish is smooth, just not like a hand polished satin finish that we usually put on our knives.

The two Natives should have been about the same in corrosion resistance.

sal
 
Sal Glesser said:
I'd like to know if there is any interest?

I'd like to know sheath preferences?
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I am in for one. Maybe two!

As far as the sheath goes, I felt the SPOT sheath was a bit for a "low profile" tool. If it was as small as possible, without compromising retention, with just enough material to attach a clip, that would be a good thing.

I prefer the sheath on the La Griffe, but the Swick looks like a more useful design for EDC, utility, and SD if needed.
 
Sal,

When do you estimate these will be available for purchase?

Any idea of about the price?

Thanks
 
Great to see the SWICK is getting consideration. The Wharny blade should make for a fine little knife.

With regard to the sheath, neck sheaths don't really appeal to me. They are impractical and uncomfortable.

A small belt/in the waistband sheath would be ideal for the SWICK.
 
I'm happy to see the interest in these! Once you get YOUR hands on one, you'll know why! As I've stated before, this is easily the best low-profile fixed EDC I've owned, and I've owned a few (stiff K.I.S.S., LaGriffe, SPOT, Nimravus Cub, etc.). YOU'LL LOVE IT!
 
J. Davey, I am really looking forward to this. It looks very practical.

I've been thinking and playing with my current SPOTs, and I think horizontal belt mount and IWB would both work well for me. Due to living in the UK I would likely just drop it in my pocket for work though, but it's always nice to have different mounting options if I'm out in the hills.
 
I'll definitely get myself one of these. I found the SPOT to be the best on the market (except for that rivet that holds the knife in the sheath), and I think the Swick is a level higher. :) Belt mounting at 45° (or even IWB) works the best for me. Hopefully, the knife will stay by itself in the sheath, without the need for that aditional rivet like there is at the SPOT.
 
I would prefer a flat sheath, without a clip, and I would prefer VG-10, but yes, I definately interested.
Thank you for asking our opinion. That's one of the things that makes Spyderco great.
 
i'm definitely liking this idea of a wharnie swick. i'm in for a test run piece. the thicker stock and minimalist sheath are winners, in my opinion.

a rescue swick sounds great. that guy must be a genius. oh, what, no, that couldn't be right, it's me. can't wait to have the prototype in hand, every river guide and swiftwater rescue team member that i have talked to about it wants one already (actually, a lot of people). it will at least be popular in western nc. any finalized pictures yet? thanks for helping bring this one to life.
 
I haven't bought much lately, but I'm definitely interested in one of these. Is there a picture somewhere that we can see?

Thanks,

Leo Gilbert
 
Sal, any news on a release date for these yet, or even the type of sheath you decided upon? I can't wait to get one! Oh yeah, If this has been asked already, I apologize, but are there going to be the holes in the blade like on the original SPOT? I personally liked them and thought they added greatly to its asthetic appeal.
 
J.Davey, I asked this a while ago on the Spyderco forum, but alas, no response. I hope you do get one this time, as I'm also eagerly awaiting this knife :).

As for the holes, I don't think they would fit on this blade...it's already so small.
 
On the "Warnie" version, I'm sure it will take a couple of months to run through production.

There have been a few pics shown, you'll have to search.

We won't use the holes in the blade (to honor Ken's patent).

We will use S30V.

Sheath will be a minimal slip sheath drilled for a tecklok or ?

On the "rescue version", you'll have to get pics from the "testers".

sal
 
Hi Sal

I would most definitely buy at least one! You may also want to offer Tecklok fasteners available as an accessory for those who may opt to have one.

I would like to throw the idea of Spyderco offering this knife with a fully serrated blade as well. Being a long time user of Spyderco knives, I have experienced that on the same knife and steel the serrated edge will outperform the plain one by about 50% (in terms of depth of cut). Should you need to confirm that, take a leather jacket, fill it up with Styrofoam to simulate human flesh and perform a draw cut with any knife you choose: one with a plain edge and one with a fully serrated. You will immediately see the difference!

Some people might say that serrations are more difficult to sharpen than a plain edge is and this is true. However, one must also think that serrations last twice as much as the plain edge does. Therefore, this means that one will be sharpening the knife half as frequently than if he had a plain edge.

Like one of the pre-eminent knife experts (i.e. Michael Janich) says in his book “Knife Fighting – A Practical Course”

“As with all cuts… draw the full length of the edge through the target to cut deeply. This is much more effective than hacking into a target. The knife-edge is very much like a miniature saw…To cut effectively, especially in flesh, these teeth must be drawn through the material being cut. It’s just like cutting a steak. You don’t hack away at it, you use the entire blade edge to slice the meat efficiently.” (page 32)

Last word is yours however, I am sure you concur that a knife like SWICK made primarily for self-defense, which is made to cut and not to hack, will cut deeper and hold its edge longer if it is equipped with a fully serrated edge. Add to that S30V and one will seldom have to touch its edge with a Sharpmaker.

Kind regards,

George
 
Hi George,

The model is an experiment or test if you will. We'll make a plain edge first (500 pcs planned) and then we'll "hide-n-watch" reaction.

If you (the market) says yes and we want teeth also, then you'll get teeth.

Also, Fred Perrin must approve (the finger hole is his concept).

In our testing, serrations cut deeper and stay sharper about twice as long on the same model. But ultimately, it's the ELUs that will determine te future of the "Swick" variations.

sal

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The entire "business chain" from; raw materials, manufacturing, marketing, selling, distributing, shipping, warrantees, insurance, credit, etc. ALL EXISTS to service the ELU (End Line User). Remove the ELU from the equation and the entire business chain falls like a house of cards. We all work for you!
 
Hello Sal

It appears that your experience as far as the overall qualities (or behaviour if you will) matches exactly mine. I have been using Spyderco knives since the release of the first Endura. Currently I own 8 Spyderco knives ranging from the Q-knife (in peak condition!) to two Police SE one of which has a handle modification that has increased its grip significantly (and quite a few others in between).

Being a professional marketer, I understand your disposition about looking for market reactions. However, I think you will agree that the market needs education too. A simple paradigm is what your company has already done: It introduced the idea of a pocket clip, it presented the notion of the one-hand opening folding knife, it launched this unique type of serration that performs so well and the list goes on and on.

So, yes your reply (In our testing, serrations cut deeper and stay sharper about twice as long on the same model. But ultimately, it's the ELUs that will determine the future of the "Swick" variations) comes natural from a company who has always respected its clientele however, the very heritage of this company requires that you enlighten this very clientele about the aforementioned advantages of the serrations for a knife made for the purpose the SWICK came to being.

Greetings from Greece

George
 
Hi George.

The problem of education is in the fact that not all serrations are equal in their performance. Most serrations made by many companies are poor performers.

I've had people tell me that they don't like serrations because they tried serrations from XYZ company and they didn't cut.

In the knife world, the market is pretty ignorant in many areas. The assumption is that all ABC's are the same, and they're not.

G-10 varies as much as Kia vs Ferrari.

FRN, the same. It's difficult to "Edge-u-cate" customers to the fact that there are vast differences in materials and applications of various concepts.

Not all Linerlocks are the same.

Not all steel is the same.

Not all lockbacks are the same,

etc.etc......

sal
 
One thing I don't like about serrated edges is how when I cut off the top of a bag of food stuffs, sometimes one or two tiny flakes of the bag will come off freely. This happens much more with tied off grocery bags (the top is all wrinkled together), but I hesistate to use a serrated edge to cut open food packaging because I fear getting a piece of the packaging in my food.
 
Good morning Sal

I have to agree with you by plain experience. Then again, if you are the maker of FERRARI's you are who you are and people have to realize that. At the end of the day, it all boils down to the matter of trust: people trust FERRARI because it is synonymous with total quality; so, if a KIA fails, that doesn’t mean that Ferrari just turned bad too. ;)

Kind regards,

George
 
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