T-Shirt Design Contest!!!!!

[Evolute]

I'm hoping the winning entry this year won't be more of this juvenile demon head/bloody snout/evil skull type of stuff. :barf:

No offense intended to the people who like to do that kind of doodling – some of you are certainly talented – but that stuff leaves me cold.

I just want to make clear that there are plenty of hogs and piglets out there, such as myself, for whom that stuff does not go over well, at all.

 

[leatherman]

I'm hoping the winning entry this year won't be more of this juvenile demon head/bloody snout/evil skull type of stuff.

No offense intended to the people who like to do that kind of doodling – some of you are certainly talented – but that stuff leaves me cold.

I just want to make clear that there are plenty of hogs and piglets out there, such as myself, for whom that stuff does not go over well, at all.

ditto

Irony is not just a river in Africa...

uh, whut?

 

[pushingmongo]

I'm hoping the winning entry this year won't be more of this juvenile demon head/bloody snout/evil skull type of stuff. :barf:

No offense intended to the people who like to do that kind of doodling – some of you are certainly talented – but that stuff leaves me cold.

I just want to make clear that there are plenty of hogs and piglets out there, such as myself, for whom that stuff does not go over well, at all.

I don't think the artists who create the images you dislike will be offended by their work not appealing to you.
Now, having their work referred to as doodles may be another story.

 

[knife hunter]

I would llike to see the design incorporate some much more natural tones, and even possibly have some camo patterns. Mainly , I would like to see the heart of the company come out with something like they do on a daily basis along the lines of supporting our troops. I think it was Flatlanders quote.

=Knives you swear by and not at. would be good too, but something on the front chest crest similar to this with a pocket if possible

and then a great design/slogan saying on the back.

My grandfather and 1st cousin

gran's house

If not, then I would want something to do with the great outdoors, hunting, fishing and a bottle of bourbon


I would much prefer anything along this line over the demons, and cartoons of the past.

 

[Evolute]

I would llike to see the design incorporate some much more natural tones, and even possibly have some camo patterns. Mainly , I would like to see the heart of the company come out with something like they do on a daily basis along the lines of supporting our troops. I think it was Flatlanders quote.

=Knives you swear by and not at. would be good too, but something on the front chest crest similar to this with a pocket if possible

I completely agree.

Perhaps they can bring back "Camo Man".

If not, then I would want something to do with the great outdoors...


I would much prefer anything along this line over the demons, and cartoons of the past.

I agree with this, too.

 

[DowntownDM]

I'm hoping the winning entry this year won't be more of this juvenile demon head/bloody snout/evil skull type of stuff. :barf:

No offense intended to the people who like to do that kind of doodling – some of you are certainly talented – but that stuff leaves me cold.

I just want to make clear that there are plenty of hogs and piglets out there, such as myself, for whom that stuff does not go over well, at all.

I agree, wholeheartedly, but don't think of them as doodles or juvenile.

it's just a different sense of style.

there's room for both (not on one shirt of course, but in the product line).

Rob is a talented artist, and his style appeals to many - which is cool.

but please, please make some that are more work-friendly and less like a Megadeath tee from '87 (and I like the band, and saw them back then...).

 

[Jaxx]

I would llike to see the design incorporate some much more natural tones, and even possibly have some camo patterns. Mainly , I would like to see the heart of the company come out with something like they do on a daily basis along the lines of supporting our troops. I think it was Flatlanders quote.

=Knives you swear by and not at. would be good too, but something on the front chest crest similar to this with a pocket if possible

and then a great design/slogan saying on the back.

If not, then I would want something to do with the great outdoors, hunting, fishing and a bottle of bourbon

I would much prefer anything along this line over the demons, and cartoons of the past.

I'm with you & Evolute... :thumbup: I like the concept of the cartoonish shirts of 2007, but I'll bet someone here with the skills could improve upon it. They showed more... camaraderie, so to speak.

The skulls artwork is pure bada$$, and well done, but I'd also like to see a return to the basics... Old School, if I may. "No Regrets", "Just In Case you CAN Take It With You, Anatomy of a Busse, "Knives you swear by", etc., the face of Busse logo... :thumbup::thumbup: Newer designs based on or similar to the classics with the time-tested mottos/slogans. Although combat oriented among its many other uses, Busse ain't about blood lust... JMHO.

Strength, integrity, honor and camaraderie over skulls dripping blood... What do ya say??
(I know that you have the skills, Rob, no matter the canvas, inspiration or subject, brother!!! :thumbup

 

[knife hunter]

I'm with you & Evolute... :thumbup: I like the concept of the cartoonish shirts of 2007, but I'll bet someone here with the skills could improve upon it. They showed more... camaraderie, so to speak.

The skulls artwork is pure bada$$, and well done, but I'd also like to see a return to the basics... Old School, if I may. "No Regrets", "Just In Case you CAN Take It With You, Anatomy of a Busse, "Knives you swear by", etc., the face of Busse logo... :thumbup::thumbup: Newer designs based on or similar to the classics with the time-tested mottos/slogans. Although combat oriented among its many other uses, Busse ain't about blood lust... JMHO.

Strength, integrity, honor and camaraderie over skulls dripping blood... What do ya say??
(I know that you have the skills, Rob, no matter the canvas, inspiration or subject, brother!!! :thumbup

Amen!:thumbup:

I agree. Rob and many others her have the talent. I would like to see soemthing that would reflect the beauty of Recondo's presentation or something like it.

THe cartoon were cool, Robs designs were a vast improvement on that

I would like to see it "EVOLVE" into something like more of what we have all discussed.

Go easy on Evolute guys. He didnt mean exactly what he said. He's a good guy and and OLD HOG. See his sig lines and pics and see he's an old school naturalists and thats where he was coming from....

Knowing him, I doubt there was any disrepect intended.

Turn that glass up!

 

[Amy-0]

Well I was out of town yesterday and had no access to a computer...kinda glad that I did not

This a a thread that we started for a T-shirt design contest..not a "I do not like this and that and comparing people's ART to doodles and what not"...

I am very excited that Jerry is doing this and I have a idea.......

Instead of complaining about it WHY DON'T ALL OF YOU THAT DO NOT LIKE SOMETHING come up with a design and submit it

But remember if you are chosen there could be a thread next year started about your design and how people do not like it either...Just sayin

So let's get this thread back to what it is suppose to be:thumbup:

Send us those e-mails.... we have gotten some great feedback already You all are so creative:thumbup:

I need a drink....
Thank you,
Amy-0

 

[mymindisamob]

Well I was out of town yesterday and had no access to a computer...kinda glad that I did not

This a a thread that we started for a T-shirt design contest..not a "I do not like this and that and comparing people's ART to doodles and what not"...

I am very excited that Jerry is doing this and I have a idea.......

Instead of complaining about it WHY DON'T ALL OF YOU THAT DO NOT LIKE SOMETHING come up with a design and submit it

But remember if you are chosen there could be a thread next year started about your design and how people do not like it either...Just sayin

So let's get this thread back to what it is suppose to be:thumbup:

Send us those e-mails.... we have gotten some great feedback already You all are so creative:thumbup:

I need a drink....
Thank you,
Amy-0

Thanks for that Amy. I was angry enough about the "anti" geared posts that I just left it alone. As my drawing professor said "Not everybody wants a pretty picture that goes with your furniture. So be true with your art".
I will be working on a couple designs, but I am more excited to see what others have come up with.
Thank you for this opportunity.:thumbup:

 

[Evolute]

Since some of you have taken issue with my uses of the words "juvenile", and "doodling", as well as expressing my hope that the winning entry this year won't be demon head/bloody snout/evil skull type of stuff – I feel it's necessary to expand and clarify my statements.

Juvenile?

Yes. I consider reveling in bloodlust to be categorically immature. I'm not seeking to be offensive by saying so, but – if some find this truth hurtful, I'm willing to live with that. It doesn't make it less true. And, within the context of last year's bloody-snouted-evil-monster-hog/dog/rats t-shirts and such, as well as the previews of entries in this year's t-shirt contest, it's worth mentioning.

Jaxx had a more positive spin, so if you'd rather listen to his words, then please do:

I like the concept of the cartoonish shirts of 2007 ... They showed more... camaraderie, so to speak.

... Although combat oriented among its many other uses, Busse ain't about blood lust... JMHO.

Strength, integrity, honor and camaraderie over skulls dripping blood...

Doodling?

Yes. I'll try to explain what I mean, when I say this.

This is not necessarily derogatory; it's referring to a type of creative process, and a kind of endeavor, not the quality of the results. It's referring to the kind of creative process that is relatively undirected – doing what works, as you go along ... in this case, to make it look cool and fierce, for example – instead of beginning with an intent to work a specific larger theme and create a deep expression, having a very well fleshed out vision of the finished work, and then building each element of the creation to work together toward construction of a complex overall meaning.

Well I was out of town yesterday and had no access to a computer...kinda glad that I did not

This a a thread that we started for a T-shirt design contest..not a "I do not like this and that and comparing people's ART to doodles and what not"...

I am very excited that Jerry is doing this and I have a idea.......

Instead of complaining about it WHY DON'T ALL OF YOU THAT DO NOT LIKE SOMETHING come up with a design and submit it

But remember if you are chosen there could be a thread next year started about your design and how people do not like it either...Just sayin

So let's get this thread back to what it is suppose to be:thumbup:

Amy, I'm dismayed at the way you've taken what I and others have said.

I hope you and the rest of the Busse team can hear resinguy, leatherman, knife hunter, DowntownDM, Jaxx, and I, among others, as we tell you that we do not feel that angry, evil, bloodthirsty imagery resonates with us nor represents us. It's up to you whether you choose to act on our preferences, but it's in your interest to at least hear that these are the preferences of this portion of Busse friends and customers.

I also hope that the t-shirt designers for this contest realize that there are other alternatives besides bloodthirsty imagery.

 

[u812]

I would buy just about any design picked but for myself I like simple.
A thought I had and I am not sending an email as I can not image it is a OD shirt with BUSSE Combat Knife Group running down the left side front in yellow letters and the Busse,Swamp Rat and Scrap Yard logos across the upper back.
BTW I still want a shirt with the logo in my sig on the back.

 

[Last Visible Canary]

Doodling?

Yes. I'll try to explain what I mean, when I say this.

This is not necessarily derogatory; it's referring to a type of creative process, and a kind of endeavor, not the quality of the results. It's referring to the kind of creative process that is relatively undirected – doing what works, as you go along ... in this case, to make it look cool and fierce, for example – instead of beginning with an intent to work a specific larger theme and create a deep expression, having a very well fleshed out vision of the finished work, and then building each element of the creation to work together toward construction of a complex overall meaning.

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I hope you and the rest of the Busse team can hear resinguy, leatherman, knife hunter, DowntownDM, Jaxx, and I, among others, as we tell you that we do not feel that angry, evil, bloodthirsty imagery resonates with us nor represents us.

I agree with you in regards to the art that has been used by the busse sister companies in the past year, but not on the genre in it's entirety. the movie audition, the silent hill games 1-3, the photography of joel peter witkins and the artwork of vincent locke are all in the dark fantasy/gore genre, and each has a great deal of artistic merit.

on the other end of what busse has previously used as advertisement and gear, I would never of my own free will wear anything remotely related to the military. I respect soldiers and what they can and have to do, but I would never affiliate myself with service (having never served) or anything associated with it, including camo of any pattern. I would rather go shirtless then wear one that said army on it.

but I won't fault someone for wearing one themselves.

I've always been an all black kind of guy o_0

not much of an artist myself, so most of what I'd want to wear is beyond my ability to create.

 

[DowntownDM]

debates and such aside, I'd pay extra if I had to for shirts that looked similar to this hat (in terms of simplicity, that's it's monochromatic, and the fact that it's embroidered rather than screened):

 

[Evolute]

I agree with you in regards to the art that has been used by the busse sister companies in the past year, but not on the genre in it's entirety. the movie audition, the silent hill games 1-3, the photography of joel peter witkins and the artwork of vincent locke are all in the dark fantasy/gore genre, and each has a great deal of artistic merit.

You're not disagreeing with me. I never said I was against dark or gorey genres of art. Nor do I feel that art needs to be pretty, as mymindisamob seems to be implying. Not at all. There's plenty of dark, ugly, gorey art in the world that I like. If you think what I've said, above, implies that I'm making a negative comment which applies to the works of Joel Peter Witkin – let me be clear that I'm not. (I'm not familiar with the others you mentioned.)

 

[mymindisamob]

I've kept to myself as much as I can stand because this doesn't need to be a debate about art. But this is advertisement. What Jerry feels is acceptable for representing his company is what will fly no matter what we say.
Evolute, as far as my implications go, I quoted a saying that I respect and felt applied to the situation. I made no accusations nor comments on your tastes or style. In fact I like much of what you do, as I worked in your field for quite some time with Art Wolfe. Some of your work has much the same feel and I enjoy it. On the other hand, I wouldn't condescend to trivialize the work I don't like with what borders on name calling. Just saying that's the way it came across.

Just have to comment on the mention of Joel-Peter Witkin (yes, I am a fan). If a person wanted to have a much more broad understanding of art and it's history and how photography has been a factor, understanding his work and the writings of John Berger is essential.

Hopefully we can now get back to working on good friendly designs for some of our favorite brands.

 

[mymindisamob]

I love that hat! That and the "Got INFI?" shirts are my favorites.:thumbup:

 

[Jerry Busse]

Okay gang. . . Let's put this back on track. . .

We have plenty of room for more than one winner. . . but no room for any "winers"!. . .

If we get 3 or 4 great designs. . . We'll make 'em all. . . . :thumbup:

Keep in mind that we have many different groups that we sell to and finding just ONE T-Shirt design that will appeal te everyone is a pipe dream.

I love Rob's work and Mike's work as well as many others. . .

I don't like derogatory comments about other's ideas or work. There is no need to degrade anyone else's work in order to make your idea sound better. . . If you think there is a need for this then perhaps you need to rethink your idea!

Now let's get back to drinking!!!!:thumbup:

Jerry



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[Jaxx]

I feel that I owe all the artists, who have either posted to this thread or have created artwork for Busse, a major apology...

I am very humbly sorry to you all, including Amy & Jerry for my post below. I'm embarrassed that my first mistake was not reading each post on this issue with full concentration and that I followed this mistake by making a bigger second mistake, which was posting without full knowledge of what I was agreeing to based on what I missed.

This post was the one I somehow missed reading while catching up with this thread back on Saturday...

I'm hoping the winning entry this year won't be more of this juvenile demon head/bloody snout/evil skull type of stuff. :barf:

No offense intended to the people who like to do that kind of doodling – some of you are certainly talented – but that stuff leaves me cold.

I just want to make clear that there are plenty of hogs and piglets out there, such as myself, for whom that stuff does not go over well, at all.

Now having read this post, I feel that I need to backpedal.... I just want to make it clear that I DO NOT agree that anyone's artwork is either juvenile, nor would I refer to it as doodling. YES, I'd like to see other styles submitted, but as mymindisamob posted:

Thanks for that Amy. I was angry enough about the "anti" geared posts that I just left it alone. As my drawing professor said "Not everybody wants a pretty picture that goes with your furniture. So be true with your art".
I will be working on a couple designs, but I am more excited to see what others have come up with.
Thank you for this opportunity.:thumbup:

His professor is absolutely right and I certainly hope that I've not discouraged anyone from submitting their work, whatever the subject matter is, based on my post and especially the way it was used in Evolute's post.

Jerry & Amy... I also wish to offer sincere apologies to you both for contributing to this issue. It is my mistake that I didn't read all posts fully before posting my opinion out of hand, and I'm also very sorry for how it has contributed to further negative posts.

To Evolute... I would suggest that you exercise caution the next time you feel it necessary to quote anything I write in such a way as to to bolster your argument, especially when you wish to harshly criticize other peoples artwork. As an artist yourself, you should know better. If you want to call anyone's work juvenile doodling, don't expect me to back you up and don't lump me in with those who will. It is one thing to say that you don't like something and hope for alternatives, but it is another thing entirely to flat out bash what you don't like by insulting it and those who created that which you don't like with the words that you used.
Also, I believe that Amy is on point with her post and I'd be careful taking issue with her for what she wrote because I believe that she saw exactly what I missed until now. One thing I've learned about Amy... She's usually right.

OK, enough outta me... I look forward to seeing the best artist(s) win! Good luck to all who enter their designs. :thumbup:

 

[Matteo Escobar]

How about just a giant "Busse Logo" shirt? The FSH one.