Tabled Out!

[Horsewright]

Yes I use imgur. I've never recieved blue. Makes a guy go hmmmm? When I found out that my orignal post was too long I just copied and pasted the second half into the first comment section and that worked. man how frustrating Jack. Thanks for seeing it through. Ya been getting emails? Wonder if its some of the internet problems ya been having?

 

[Peregrin]

Quite the haul, Jack, and nicely presented! Sorry to hear how much aggravation posting it caused, but it's much appreciated.

 

[flatblackcapo]

Thanks for taking the time to see this post through, Jack. It was a good read,as always.

 

[Jack Black]

Yes I use imgur. I've never recieved blue. Makes a guy go hmmmm? When I found out that my orignal post was too long I just copied and pasted the second half into the first comment section and that worked. man how frustrating Jack. Thanks for seeing it through. Ya been getting emails? Wonder if its some of the internet problems ya been having?

I use Photobucket mainly, but I don't think the code is any longer than Imgur code Hmmmm indeed my friend! Thanks for those Dave, my big catch-up day tomorrow

Quite the haul, Jack, and nicely presented! Sorry to hear how much aggravation posting it caused, but it's much appreciated.

Thanks Gary

Thanks for taking the time to see this post through, Jack. It was a good read,as always.

Thank you Kevin

 

[JB in SC]

Another nice table o' knives Jack

The knot pickers are interesting. Wonder which trade would have used them?

 

[Jack Black]

Another nice table o' knives Jack

The knot pickers are interesting. Wonder which trade would have used them?

Thanks JB I really don't know about those knot-pickers. Herder and I came across them in the Sheffield Industrial Museum. A volunteer was selling them off to raise funds. Judging from the quantity he had of them, maybe they didn't catch on!

 

[JB in SC]

Thanks JB I really don't know about those knot-pickers. Herder and I came across them in the Sheffield Industrial Museum. A volunteer was selling them off to raise funds. Judging from the quantity he had of them, maybe they didn't catch on!

They look like maybe they were used in the garment or textile trade but that is a guess. You have a flair for finding the unusual for sure.

 

[5K Qs]

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This Serpentine Penknife is by John Watts, and also stainless. 3 3/8”.
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This one especially caught my attention, Jack, because of the little symbols on the cover. Is that just an advertising slogan touting the knife's quality (Before any), or is there more to that type of symbol? I have a Schrade-Wostenholm canoe that has markings on the bolster that are similar: four little squares, each containing a symbol, but on my knife, the symbols don't spell out anything I recognize.

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What is the image on the tang stamp on the right in this photo? A king on a throne?

... I hadn't realised just how short posts have to be now I've spent quite a lot of time lately doing research and taking photos for a long thread on the history of the Sheffield cutlers on the River Rivelin, but that's just wasted now
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I hate to see you so discouraged, Jack. Can't you simply package your info on the River Rivelin cutlers into smaller posts, or does that interrupt the flow of the narrative (or the composition)? Thanks for putting up with the frustrations of getting this "table thread" posted. As usual, very interesting and informative to see the variety of old knives you've located!

...I had expected to be able to post less than 20 pics, and I made the initial post, but it posted with lots of blue 'ink' and superfluous ''s. Then when I tried to edit it, I couldn't because the post was too long supposedly. I tried re-posting shorter and shorter sections, but I could only post a small amount of text and pics without getting an error warning saying my post was too long. In each case, I had to re-edit the post 2 or 3 times because random spaces were appearing, more blue 'ink', etc. The changes I made with edit didn't always 'take'. It was a thoroughly frustrating process I don't know what the problem was, but it certainly wasn't fun Do you upload your pics directly Dave, or use an image host (eg Photobucket, Imgur)?

Edit - Darn it! Gone blue again! maybe it's my use of ""? :rolleyes:

Second edit - Well it seems if you include u-r-l in your post, it removes that, and turns the rest blue! Hope you can make sense of my post with the words removed Dave

Wow! No wonder you're frustrated, Jack! I've run into the 20-pic limit, the 10000-character limit (is this Twitter? ), and the draconian and inaccurate character counts when trying to re-post below the limit. That made ME blue, but I've never had my posts turn blue!! Nor have I experienced insertions of spaces or quotation marks (although I've seen pretty bizarre suggestions from the autocorrect spell checker ).

- GT

 

[John A. Larsen]

Nice catches! That 1945 "Burma Knife" is my favorite. John

 

[mykel m]

Thank you for taking the time n trouble to share your box of haul Jack.

 

[GasMan1]

Jack you never cease to amaze me. Another great haul. I enjoy looking through your picks too. Thanks for taking the time to share with us again.

 

[Jack Black]

They look like maybe they were used in the garment or textile trade but that is a guess. You have a flair for finding the unusual for sure.

Yeah maybe Jerry, I must confess I haven't done any research on them at all. Thank you my friend, I'm a junk magnet!

This one especially caught my attention, Jack, because of the little symbols on the cover. Is that just an advertising slogan touting the knife's quality (Before any), or is there more to that type of symbol? I have a Schrade-Wostenholm canoe that has markings on the bolster that are similar: four little squares, each containing a symbol, but on my knife, the symbols don't spell out anything I recognize.

Marks like that were not uncommon on penknives with nickel silver covers GT, and like the marks on your Schrade-Wostenholm knife, they deliberately reference British silver assay marks, which look visually similar, but are actually a complex code to where the knife was made, when, and by whom, example below from a John Cowlishaw Fruit Knife, Sheffield, 1836

What is the image on the tang stamp on the right in this photo? A king on a throne?

Yes indeed Could be Kaiser Bill

I hate to see you so discouraged, Jack. Can't you simply package your info on the River Rivelin cutlers into smaller posts, or does that interrupt the flow of the narrative (or the composition)? Thanks for putting up with the frustrations of getting this "table thread" posted. As usual, very interesting and informative to see the variety of old knives you've located!


Wow! No wonder you're frustrated, Jack! I've run into the 20-pic limit, the 10000-character limit (is this Twitter? ), and the draconian and inaccurate character counts when trying to re-post below the limit. That made ME blue, but I've never had my posts turn blue!! Nor have I experienced insertions of spaces or quotation marks (although I've seen pretty bizarre suggestions from the autocorrect spell checker ).

I'm not easily discouraged GT, but the new software makes it impossible to post threads like the scores of threads I've posted here in the past, and which are now scrambled and uneditible. I'd anticipated writing something akin to the thread I did on the River Porter, which would take several days to write, and would include a great many photos and images. I used to write posts like that in Word, and simply cut and paste them, but that's no longer possible because the new software alters the text in lots of ways, and there's also a degree of unpredictability, like the inaccurate character counts you mention. Text gets scrambled, and you can't even edit it because the system tells you (wrongly) that the text is too long or there are too many images. This thread is comparatively simple, but look how many posts I had to make, and each had to be re-edited several times. I can adjust to new software, but not when its inconsistent, unpredictable, and in my opinion, not fit for purpose

If you want to see blue, just include the consecutively type the letters U, R, and L!

Nice catches! That 1945 "Burma Knife" is my favorite.

Thanks John, it's a shame about the damage to the blade. My domestic can-opener failed last night, so this knife came in handy

Thank you for taking the time n trouble to share your box of haul Jack.

Jack you never cease to amaze me. Another great haul. I enjoy looking through your picks too. Thanks for taking the time to share with us again.

Thanks a lot guys, I appreciate your interest and kind words

 

[supratentorial]

Some nice finds, Jack

 

[Jack Black]

Some nice finds, Jack

Thanks Jake

 

[Pàdruig]

Jack Black , I enjoyed this post immensely, you come across some of the neatest treasures. I know I have not been around here long enough to truly appreciate the efforts you have long put into your various posts and histories, but I know I am not alone in saying that they will surely be missed. Though the forum changes were undoubtedly inevitable, it is a shame that there is such a negative impact on those such as yourself who perpetually put a lot of thought and effort into bringing such rich posts to our little corner of the internet. I hope that it is enough of a problem that it can be addressed in the not so distant future.

Despite what appears to have been a prodigious exercise in patience, I appreciate that you pressed on and delivered yet another fascinating post to your fellow Porch residents. The Croisdale fruit knife is a thing of beauty, it has the cleanest, prettiest lines... and the Burma knives are rather fascinating. I remember some time ago looking for a quality pipe tool and being rather disappointed that there wasn't a greater variety of finer examples out there. I wonder what sort of pipe knives/tools Sheffield might have produced on a regular basis, if any. It has inspired me to do some digging!

Despite your troubles, thank you so much for sharing, it was a real pleasure perusing this thread.

 

[T. Erdelyi]

Thanks for the view inside Jack's Boot Sale Booty some real good finds there. It amazes me how the knives parallel each other in style and method of manufacture. The Tin shell knives, the military stainless and not to leave out the small steel pens with patterns rolled onto the one side. I guess the same financial problems there that closed many plants during the pre and post war years when times were lean and the only people buying knives were the government and they only bought from a select few. The things that worked there worked here, don't matter what side of the pond the knife was made.

Kevin needs to add a multi like to coincide with the multi quote for posts like yours Jack.

 

[Jack Black]

Jack Black , I enjoyed this post immensely, you come across some of the neatest treasures. I know I have not been around here long enough to truly appreciate the efforts you have long put into your various posts and histories, but I know I am not alone in saying that they will surely be missed. Though the forum changes were undoubtedly inevitable, it is a shame that there is such a negative impact on those such as yourself who perpetually put a lot of thought and effort into bringing such rich posts to our little corner of the internet. I hope that it is enough of a problem that it can be addressed in the not so distant future.

Despite what appears to have been a prodigious exercise in patience, I appreciate that you pressed on and delivered yet another fascinating post to your fellow Porch residents. The Croisdale fruit knife is a thing of beauty, it has the cleanest, prettiest lines... and the Burma knives are rather fascinating. I remember some time ago looking for a quality pipe tool and being rather disappointed that there wasn't a greater variety of finer examples out there. I wonder what sort of pipe knives/tools Sheffield might have produced on a regular basis, if any. It has inspired me to do some digging!

Despite your troubles, thank you so much for sharing, it was a real pleasure perusing this thread.

Thanks Dylan, you're very kind I've had a few pipe tools and cigar knives. Most of the pipe knives are Richards ones, like the one shown, and this one below. They are very basic, but were inexpensive.



The best-made ones I've come across, so far, are the Clifton Pipe Tools produced by Dawes & Ball



Thanks again for your kind words

 

[5K Qs]

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Marks like that were not uncommon on penknives with nickel silver covers GT, and like the marks on your Schrade-Wostenholm knife, they deliberately reference British silver assay marks, which look visually similar, but are actually a complex code to where the knife was made, when, and by whom, example below from a John Cowlishaw Fruit Knife, Sheffield, 1836





Yes indeed Could be Kaiser Bill

I'm not easily discouraged GT, but the new software makes it impossible to post threads like the scores of threads I've posted here in the past, and which are now scrambled and uneditible. I'd anticipated writing something akin to the thread I did on the River Porter, which would take several days to write, and would include a great many photos and images. I used to write posts like that in Word, and simply cut and paste them, but that's no longer possible because the new software alters the text in lots of ways, and there's also a degree of unpredictability, like the inaccurate character counts you mention. Text gets scrambled, and you can't even edit it because the system tells you (wrongly) that the text is too long or there are too many images. This thread is comparatively simple, but look how many posts I had to make, and each had to be re-edited several times. I can adjust to new software, but not when its inconsistent, unpredictable, and in my opinion, not fit for purpose

If you want to see blue, just include the consecutively type the letters U, R, and L!
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Thanks for the intriguing information about the knife markings intended to mimic silver assay marks.

Thanks also for the clear reproduction of the German tang stamp; tang stamps that include images of "real stuff" are fascinating to me, for some reason!

I haven't personally experienced most of the new software "glitches" that you described, but I can certainly understand that they'd be incredibly frustrating. I tried to get the blue text using URL, but haven't been able to do so. I can imagine, though, that if one wanted to make an innocent comment about curly maple burl or burlap micarta, the subsequent blueing of the text could make one's lip curl sourly in annoyance, tempt one to act churlishly, inspire one to unfurl a flag of indignation, turn one's attitude surly, and cause one to hurl the computer across the room and wish for hourly furloughs!

- GT

 

[Pàdruig]

Thanks Dylan, you're very kind I've had a few pipe tools and cigar knives. Most of the pipe knives are Richards ones, like the one shown, and this one below. They are very basic, but were inexpensive.



The best-made ones I've come across, so far, are the Clifton Pipe Tools produced by Dawes & Ball



Thanks again for your kind words

Thank you for the fine examples. Like the Clifton Pipe Tool you displayed, the ideal pipe knife for me is one that has a reamer, spike, tamper, and small pen blade. In the pipe smoker's world, there is quite the proliferation of cheaply made tools that don't have a whole lot of visual appeal, though they do get the job done. Like with most things I am interested in, I tend to crave quality made examples and I had discovered awhile back that there simply wasn't much variety to choose from aside from hunting for more vintage ones. Things might be different now though as I haven't looked a whole lot since then. I had even considered embarking on attempting to make my own, which I still might do, but we shall see.

Thank you again for the examples, something to file away for future reference, for sure.

 

[Jack Black]

Thanks for the view inside Jack's Boot Sale Booty some real good finds there. It amazes me how the knives parallel each other in style and method of manufacture. The Tin shell knives, the military stainless and not to leave out the small steel pens with patterns rolled onto the one side. I guess the same financial problems there that closed many plants during the pre and post war years when times were lean and the only people buying knives were the government and they only bought from a select few. The things that worked there worked here, don't matter what side of the pond the knife was made.

Kevin needs to add a multi like to coincide with the multi quote for posts like yours Jack.

Good observation Ted Thanks my friend

Thanks for the intriguing information about the knife markings intended to mimic silver assay marks.

Thanks also for the clear reproduction of the German tang stamp; tang stamps that include images of "real stuff" are fascinating to me, for some reason!

I haven't personally experienced most of the new software "glitches" that you described, but I can certainly understand that they'd be incredibly frustrating. I tried to get the blue text using URL, but haven't been able to do so. I can imagine, though, that if one wanted to make an innocent comment about curly maple burl or burlap micarta, the subsequent blueing of the text could make one's lip curl sourly in annoyance, tempt one to act churlishly, inspire one to unfurl a flag of indignation, turn one's attitude surly, and cause one to hurl the computer across the room and wish for hourly furloughs!

- GT

You're welcome GT, me too Here's some more German marks for you to take a look at: http://www.germandaggers.com/Gallery/Makers.php

I only get the blue when I use the three letters together, and alone. When I do, even in inverted commas, when I was trying to explain what was happening, or in brackets, the letters are removed when I post, and the subsequent text goes blue

Thank you for the fine examples. Like the Clifton Pipe Tool you displayed, the ideal pipe knife for me is one that has a reamer, spike, tamper, and small pen blade. In the pipe smoker's world, there is quite the proliferation of cheaply made tools that don't have a whole lot of visual appeal, though they do get the job done. Like with most things I am interested in, I tend to crave quality made examples and I had discovered awhile back that there simply wasn't much variety to choose from aside from hunting for more vintage ones. Things might be different now though as I haven't looked a whole lot since then. I had even considered embarking on attempting to make my own, which I still might do, but we shall see.

Thank you again for the examples, something to file away for future reference, for sure.

Thank you again I wonder if there were ever any quality bespoke pipe knives made? Considering the number of pipe-smokers, even today, I find it surprising that nobody seems to do a quality pipe tool. Perhaps they do, and I just haven't seen them. I have seen the Richards knives marked with the names of reputable tobacco pipe companies though, and they are certainly not anything more than a functional tool. The Eggington Group make a pipe knife with the Joseph Rodgers name, but it is no better really, and quite similar in style to this older one.



Another one I have is this one, though I've never been able to pin down the (Sheffield) maker.