Tactical pants, bags, wallets.....seriously???

I live in a society where wearing tacticool is very uncool
With general conscription, most men from 18 to 21 and women from 18 to 20 are in uniform
A large percentage of them are prepared to lay down their lives

There is no room in this society for posers
There is no stolen valor here, we are too close knit and know our unit members to let any one try that

So 'borrowed' fatigue pants used as work pants is the nearest you get to see here tacticool
 
The ridiculous cost of extra heavy molle packs and polyester blend pants blows my mind.

The best "tactical" stuff I've every bought are W. German surplus fatigues. $8.

I have a kinda military Sleeka Snugpak. But its main characteristics is that it has a minimum of compartments and was on sale for $55.



I do "get it". Militaria is neato. But fighting the temptation dress like GI Joe to go to Starbucks is what separates adults from kids.
 
The way I look at it is if all the gear is new and looks mil-ish, the person either got sold a bill of goods, or doesn't really know what they are about. If its all the same age and civil, maybe they just bought new stuff, or maybe they don't know anything, but I can get a good clue by where its from and how its set-up. If its old, mismatched mil, then I know that person at least uses their gear enough to know it, and thats good enough for me. In my line of work, trusting someone you've never met is a massive part of getting though a day safely sometimes, and sometimes you need to know that you need to keep an eye on your fellow "instructor"
I think I must own the worlds lowest speed, highest drag maxped remora on the planet, between the neon zipper pulls, three key rings, and a heap of random crap, it looks about as military as charlie sheen in hot-shots.
 
Tactical:
Of, referring to, or constituting actions carefully planned to gain a specific military end.

So most people are using the word incorrectly. But people do that with lots of words, so the definition should now be:
Of, referring to, or constituting equipment or actions...

Do you like freeze dried food?
Cargo pants?
Synthetic insulation?
Kifaru backpacks?
KA-BAR?
Fuel tabs?
GPS?
Digital cameras?
Maps?
Canned food?
Do you use a belt made from sturdy webbing?

What do they all have in common? They're all tactical. Each was developed as a part of the War machine.

Some of the stuff marketed as tactical is just silly, but a lot of it is designed, developed and employed to assist in the killing of bad guys.
So tactical has become a giant industry to assist good guys beating bad guys any way possible. That's a good thing in my book. And as a result, normal people have access to all kinds of cool stuff.

I don't understand all the hate surrounding this word. Does marketing stuff as tactical get some people to spend money on stuff they don't need? Sure it does, that's marketings job. To get you to buy stuff.

Essentially, I see two broad groupings of things there. 1] Heap of stuff that has properties X,Y,Z that someone advertises as available. 2] Heap of any old crap that someone is trying to manipulate you into buying, using whatever means.

Sure, there is a bit of overlap between those two groups, and to a point that's fine. Caveat emptor and all that. A guy walks into a surplus store to be told that a “58 pattern sleeping bag is a real bargain, you just wont find a down bag which is that warm on the civilian market at anything approaching that price”, whilst playing down or omitting everything that is rubbish about it. I don't have a problem with that. The savvy buyer knows his subject and wont trip on that. Game on, cherry picking.

Where I have a problem is with stuff that is damn near exclusively in group 2. Group 2 concerns mind molesters. Propaganda, theories of attitude change, persuasive communication, call it what you like, there is a dirty great machine that spends billions finding out how to leverage others to their will. And I am extremely resistant to that.

It doesn't make much difference to me whether they are telling a Minister, President, King that holding his hands in such a way a using key hook words will secure more votes, or that tagging as invented by NASA for use in space sells more pens on the home shopping channel. Those that know tell those that don't how to sell any old crap to people that know even less. It doesn't really matter what the crap is, nobody cares, the goal is simply to get you to buy it.

Pertaining to the stuff that concerns us here, a lot off the current peddle involves the “tactical” hook. Before that we had the “bushcraft” hook, and all the junk foisted on to feeble minds that wanted to identify with the imagery from some TV show. Before that “L00K W0W, SURVIVAL TIN OPENER”. And so on.

It's not like this stuff bothers me as such, it rather effortlessly goes down the spam filter chute, but it can be fun to take the piss out of it. I'll just has happily dig at the idiot buying into QVC manipulation and watches designed for space as I will the Copro Winfrey influence machine, or the guy that buys-in to the tactical needle and thread repair kit at some massively inflated price.
 
I asked the doctor before my vasectomy if I cold have a tattoo artist present to black out half my sack so I cold have a tactical testicle.....he wouldnt have it though :(

It would be better to have webbing sewn onto it so you could accessorize as desired.
 
Funny how perceptions affect this also...

On another board recently there was a thread where a member asked for suggestions for luggage for a family member who was a frequent traveling career Air Force officer, Almost every post by non-military types (and probably some tacti-cool posers) ASSUMED that being military he's want MOLLE'd out bags screaming "tactical". I was one of the first who suggested rugged but CIVILIAN luggage for him to blend in which the OP ultimately went with. I think a lot of "tactical" dressers WANT to be "mistaken" for someone in the military or with a cool military background. In his world, blending in is "tactical"...dressing like little Lord Fauntleroy is not... ;)

Also, I know a man who owns a semi-local "tactical" store. He runs some mail-order business and does some small shows. Several years ago he was at one of the "machine-gun" shows (Knob Creek?) when the "tactical" craze was in full swing. He said that ANYTHING and EVERYTHING black and "tactical" sold. He said he was CERTAIN that if he's painted the log chain in the back of his truck black and described it as "tactical" it would have sold. And 90% of the customers were not police or military.

And one last random thought. While I totally recognize their RIGHT to do this, I'm amazed at how many folks pay good money and buy expensive "tactical" gear to take shooting classes if they are not police or military. AGAIN..yes I see the right to do so and understand they are free to spend money how they see fit, but I've seen pics of people wearing MORE gear (plate carriers, Rhodesian chest rigs, thigh holsters, etc.) than some operating in hot zones! We make our folks wear what they will be wearing in a fight for realism, but why train with a plate carrier and a Rhodesian rig if you are a civilian CCW holder who wears a Ruger LC9 on your strong side hip??? Admit it...you're playing adult dress-up! :D

I'm going to host a class where we simulate being awakened in the night. Clothing will be underwear only, and gear will be one flashlight and one handgun with one magazine. No other clothing or ammo will be needed. :p
 
I live in a society where wearing tacticool is very uncool
With general conscription, most men from 18 to 21 and women from 18 to 20 are in uniform
A large percentage of them are prepared to lay down their lives

There is no room in this society for posers
There is no stolen valor here, we are too close knit and know our unit members to let any one try that

So 'borrowed' fatigue pants used as work pants is the nearest you get to see here tacticool

That's another of the multitude of reasons that I will always support Israel and the Israeli people.

They do their own fighting and have never asked anyone to do it for them.

During Gulf war 1, on of the jokes that floated around here in the USA was.

Whats the national anthem of Saudi Arabia?
Onward Christians Soldiers!
 
Funny how perceptions affect this also...

On another board recently there was a thread where a member asked for suggestions for luggage for a family member who was a frequent traveling career Air Force officer, Almost every post by non-military types (and probably some tacti-cool posers) ASSUMED that being military he's want MOLLE'd out bags screaming "tactical". I was one of the first who suggested rugged but CIVILIAN luggage for him to blend in which the OP ultimately went with. I think a lot of "tactical" dressers WANT to be "mistaken" for someone in the military or with a cool military background. In his world, blending in is "tactical"...dressing like little Lord Fauntleroy is not... ;)
This is essentially what my post was about but a little more eloquent. My wife made the comment, I just stared at him in disbelief that you could stand out as the sorest of sore thumbs.
 
Can't stand molle gear to be honest so I shy away from "tactical" bags. That customization comes at weight penalty and for me all that organization is actually a draw back for how I use my gear. They also scream "bullet magnet." My wife and I were driving through a campground to scout it for future overnights and we saw this guy walking back to his campsite. Molle bag, "tactical" pants, tucked in nylon "adventurer" shirt...etc. My wife...MY WIFE...said he was a bullet magnet. Don't be that guy. :D


Tactical pants I buy though. I have linebacker thighs and "tactical" pants seem to be the only ones that give me a free range of motion while still looking presentable at work. So, I do key on the word "tactical" when ordering pants.

Three words:

Columbia Fishing Pants. My favorite model (like everything good and decent in this world!) have been discontinued. But they rock and feel like nothing on you or restricting your movement.
 
Police would disagree, some tactics call now for Machineguns directed at crowds for intimidation factor alone(even when no actual hostility is expected).

Of course one could point at how well police intimidation tactics actually work in any country around the planet against mobs...
You can intimidate a man, yet you cannot intimidate a mob effectively.
Tacticool isnt limited to just the general population, most of the tacticool crap is actually aimed at Police... and they do seem to lap it up, at least here in Australia.

Bingo. That's the funny irony of all this - there is really nothing "tactical" about calling attention to yourself.
 
Oh I don't know. With the right outfit one could blend right in and not be noticed at all.

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Of course there are those who want to be mistaken for a storm trooper for the intimidation factor.
 
On the topic of tactical most people would be surprised what actual "operators" wear. A coworkers dad was a PMC and when I asked him about it he said they usually tried to look like everyone else. They purchased local clothes, learned local customs, and generally tried as hard as possible not to be the most obvious armed person in the area. He said there were some times where they would strap on as all their tactical stuff but that was only when they wanted to be noticed.
 
Clothes for those who chose not to serve, but maybe the president will tap them because they have the right pants for the job.
 
Clothes for those who chose not to serve, but maybe the president will tap them because they have the right pants for the job.

More likely a small town PD. I had a LEO come to my door once to serve a eviction notice dressed like the above illustration but with doodads hanging all over him and knee and elbow armor. Scared the bejeebers out of my kids. Which I can only guess was the intent. "Intimidate and protect".
 
More likely a small town PD. I had a LEO come to my door once to serve a eviction notice dressed like the above illustration but with doodads hanging all over him and knee and elbow armor. Scared the bejeebers out of my kids. Which I can only guess was the intent. "Intimidate and protect".

So true, gotta love seeing the LEO's at the range especially, I think you're right about the intimidation factor. It just makes them stick out as junior like a sore thumb to me. I'm fine with tacticoolio's outing themselves, but a dude dressed like that in idaho, I'd start to worry like the Weaver's at ruby ridge.
 
So true, gotta love seeing the LEO's at the range especially, I think you're right about the intimidation factor. It just makes them stick out as junior like a sore thumb to me. I'm fine with tacticoolio's outing themselves, but a dude dressed like that in idaho, I'd start to worry like the Weaver's at ruby ridge.

Actually it was in Alamo, Tennessee, population 2,461. Not exactly a hotbed of subversives or target of terrorists. Well, other than the local police department.
 
Bullet magnet..exactly why I stopped wearing black bags or camo bags. When I had my maxped falcon II, I kept wishing it was earth brown..plus it roasted my back. But I have seen molle in hiking packs, such as kelty redwings, but only a little bit.

so tell me, exactly who are you afraid is going to shoot ya? When? On your next trip to the State park, or maybe to the grocery store?

Sometimes we vastly over analyze things. :D
 
so tell me, exactly who are you afraid is going to shoot ya? When? On your next trip to the State park, or maybe to the grocery store?

Sometimes we vastly over analyze things. :D

Not of being shot, no, but of the things people pressume. Lol. I learned at a young age that people presume quite a lot, if not far too much. By the things a person may wear or carry, people presume a lot about a person. I have had hotshots get in my face, wanting to prove themselves to their crew because I looked tough. Wasnt fun for either party. Then there are those whom see a molle pack and instantly assume gun and are unnerved, or associate it in worse ways. Either way, attention Id prefer to avoid. Ive known people to be unnerved at the sight of a fixed blade knife on the hip, which can draw unwanted attention by..forgot the term..something like disrupting public..idk.

Does being shot in the @$$ by a blowgun count?
 
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