Tactical rifle thoughts

Beware the man with just one gun, he probably knows how to use it.

LOL. Or, his ex got them liquidated in the divorce like mine did. You guys will probably laugh but I haven't much recovered from my divorce where I was reduced to a Chinese SKS and a Glock model 22. BRING IT! :D

Hey Spectre, how much are those RFB's projected to cost?

I'm surprised more folks haven't weighed in on something other than the mighty M1-A (which I love). The HK-91 clones from JLD are a weld for weld American made copy of that bad-a$$. Real 91's are fetching $3K+, and the JLD clone PT101's are under $1K. The 18" H-bar hits bulls-eyes at 3&400M.

What about the DPMS line-up? Named rifle of the year in '06. Any fans out there? That 16" tac lays from shoulder to hipbone across the torso with the collapseable down and can pop soda cans at 200M. The practical rifle boys at my range love those things. I forget the model # (A4 or whatever). Those things are only about $900-$1k too. You can get into the game these days without spending Bushmaster/Colt prices.

The original question of this thread was about Tac rifles and not all rifles, right? Those 2 are the toss-up for me.
 
The RFB is projected between 2 and 3 $K, depending on options. If real price to MSRP holds true, you're probably looking at about 70% of MSRP. So, if that's consistent, you're looking at about $1400 for the carbine.

John
 
Munk,
I've not tried the Savage and likely won't as hunting with a muzzleloader is covered by my Omega. For survival, I like "dumbing down" a 45-70 better. I owned a Sharps replica in 45-120 once- Factory 45-70 rounds or 600 gr cast over 110gr FFG or 145gr round ball over 50gr FFg and could reload the rifle pretty quickly using cartridges instead of via the muzzle.
"Tactical Rifle" term equates to "Survival Knife"-- a device used in a particular situation fo a tactical or survival situation. Like "Sniper rifle"... unless one is a duty slotted Sniper by trade, your rifle is not a sniper rifle.
Bill
 
I also am partial to the 45-70....mine is a used Ruger #1 with a fixed 3X Leupold Post and crosshair. Mine likes Winchester Supreme ammo with 300 grain combined technology partition bullets (Nosler as far as I can see:-) Also you might want to check out Garrett ammo for the 45-70....their 420 grain lead gas check (not the +P) does well; the +P kicks more than I need.
 
I'm really not trying to rub it in, Munk......I have both. Both were acquired at gun shows very reasonably. The .375 H&H is a "200th Year of American Liberty" made in 1976 with a 'trap grade' feathered crotch walnut buttstock, but I assure you, you would rather have the 7 lb. 45-70 than a 9 1/2 lb. .375 H&H to hunt with. Both shoot 1" to 1 1/2" groups at 100 yds., but the 45-70 is much handier. Do not be afraid of picking up a Number 1 at a gun show; they have rarely been shot much and are good buys. Both are going to grandsons.
 
I'm a big fan of the 45/70. doubtless, some folks will want to hang me for heresy, but I'm almost coming to prefer it over my .30 cal rifles for my "go to" gun.

So far I only have a Marlin 1894 with a 22" bb. and one of the Uberti Sharps reproductions. I like my full size 1894. a little more smoke, and it points and balances better.

although I am considering aquiring another one to cut down to a 16'' bbl and make into a knock around carbine.

Or I could do one of these:

http://www.wildwestguns.com/Bushwacker/bushwacker.html
 
I've always wanted a single shot 45/70

How much did the uberti set you back?


munk
 
RWS, that's a beauty.

Funny that 125 years ago that was the SHTF Tactical of the day.
 
Have you given any thought to building your own rifle? Something that would be uniquely yours?
 
I have a DPMS Panther Arms AR-15 chambered to 7.63x39 (shoots those cheap AK47/SKS rounds not a bad cartridge really), with a bull barrel, free floating heat shield, and high riser optical scope mount. I've gotta say, I LIKE it, but wish I would have gotten it in .308. I also wish that it had a forward assist. After getting out of the Army, I wanted my deer rifle to feel like my M-16, since thats what I'm so very used to. Its very accurate - I shot about a 3/4" 3 shot group at 100m, off of a front sand bag. I think I paid about $700 for it, just slightly used. The only real problem that I've had with it (and every M16 I've ever been issued) is that you need to keep it pretty clean and lubricated - even a long day of shooting prarie dogs will require you to oil the bolt a couple times to keep it feeding properly. Anyways, I suggest checking out DPMS Panther Arms if you're interested in an AR, much more affordable, and every bit as high quality as Bushmaster or Armalite.

Its in the pic, on the bottom (only picture that I have on hand). Also pictured is my SKS (I think I've got about $150 total invested in that, its fun to shoot), and my Glocks 26, and 22.

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Munk/Thomas,
Come gentlemen the term is "Tacticool" with a high CDI factor. Accuracy to be measured in MOD(Minute of Duck). :) My AR's are mostly green- see no evil Black Rifles here!!

Bill
 
I'm not looking for a SHTF rifle. I said I want a tactical rifle, but I guess I should have used the term precision, or even "s____r". I know I don't need one, I just want one.

I also plan on getting a Springfield M1A, someday. One thing at a time. I'm going to take it slow and save up for it.

I talked to my old roommate today and asked for his thoughts on the subject. He's been shooting guns his whole life and he has an extensive gun collection, including a .50 cal. rifle. I asked him if he could consistently hit a target past 200 yards. He told me no. That confirmed my instincts, stay at 100 yards, at least for a while. No need to go longer distances, especially since I am unskilled. He agreed that I should stay with a fixed scope, as that is one less worry for an inexperienced shooter to deal with. So I will most likely go with a 4X. Shooters throughout most of history have made do with less.

The scope that I'm looking hard at is the Nikon Monarch 4X40mm. I know it's not a Leupold or a Zeiss, but I don't need the best (yet), just quality glass. The research I've done indicates that this is a good, if not great, piece of gear. Anyone have experience with Nikon scopes? What about my thought process? Am I missing anything here?


FWIW, given the comments above (as well as the "fixed-power" scope comment above these) seems you are not yet really in the market for a precision rifle and scope.

Precision rifles and scope combinations are rifles which excel at accuracy beyond 500 yards and generally hold 1/2 MOA out to 1000 yards.

Box stock rifles, sans the high-end and custom built Remmy 700s, are rarely gonna get ya this level of precision, infact most off the shelf rifles like the one you have mentioned ain't much good past 400 yards.

The particular long range club in my bag is a custom built Kreiger barreled Rem 700 in 30-06. It has a full aluminum pillar bedded stock, a Premier Gen II recticled Leupold 6.5x20x40mm scope w/ turrets and mil-dots and consistently shoots 1/2 MOA at any distance out to 1000 yards using a custom 175grn SMK load, (when the shooter does his part).

Note: the Gen II Premier scope has no wires, but is etched into the first focal plane which means one can range using the mil-dots with the scope set at any power and while Premier no longer works on Leupolds (due to their well known fall-out or rather screwing of Premier by Leupold assholes) they do and currently provide Schmidt-Benders to the military snipers and civilians which are a great choice for a precision optic. I highly recommend their Gen II recticle w/ the 1/2 minute lines which makes ranging even more accurate, especially if ya purchase a Mil-Dot Master or similar aid.

It cost roughly $2100 to have it built up from a $300 box stock Rem 700 30-06 ADL, (including the initial $300 purchase) so you can see that precision ain't buying what one can afford at the time, but a careful blending of parts and gunsmithing skill - for all the best parts in the world cannot make-up for lousy gunsmithing work.

As we (my father and I) have an 800 yard range off the back porch at up at the farm and a 1300 yard range nearby in Lufkin we tend to practice regularly and I can tell you that with the proper equipment I can have anyone shooting quite respectable group sizes in less than a day at any range out to 1000 yards.

We have several rifles from 223s, 260s, 22-250s and 30-06s that are more than capable of getting consistent hits out to the 1K line and father, (note: the 223s do require greater skill and something we like to refer to as "good-air" but in the proper hands w/ the proper load MOA @ 1K is attainable even with this small 77grn round).

Dad regularly pops crows from a bench rested position using his custom Kreiger 223 at ranges in excess of 500 & 600 yards, that's precision shooting.

You'll not get this kind of consistency and accuracy from "stock" equipment.

Hope this is of some help to you and good luck with your purchase.

(ps - at to the reason behind the 30-06 choice over the more common 308, I own several older military rifle chambered in the '06 and wanted a caliber commonality in my arsenal; that and the fact that there ain't nothing the 308 can do that the '06 can't duplicate)
 
Thanks for the input, Mike.

To go back to the original post, when people say "tactical" and mention bolt-action, they are typically talking about a heavy-barreled long distance/extreme accuracy capable rig.

What I and many others have suggested, is that a sturdy (but not HB) bolt action is useful for not only a wide variety of things during reg'lar ole peacetime, but even in emergencies.

John
 
Thanks for the input, Mike.

a sturdy (but not HB) bolt action is useful....

John

Not only that, but you can fire one faster than a levergun apparently. A while back I read an artical where several shooters familiar with both types of gun were timed on how fast they could empty them out. It was close, but the bolt was a bit faster (and none of the bolts were Enfields either).

The only problem with bolts IMHO is you can't twirl them under your arm like Chuck Connors.
 
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