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Tactical slippie??
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Seems a little like a contradiction in terms.
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Jason B.
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Scary looking knife, usually with a black-coated blade.:foot:
and blood groves
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As I'm living in Germany with its wonderful new regulations: The only folders that you are allowed to carry without a legal reason in the back of your mind are those with either a lock or a one-hand opening mechanism. The combination of both is not allowed as long as you don't have a legal reason. Those could be shooting a movie or photographs, acting or of course an "eligible interest" (berechtigtes Interesse). And it's getting even more confusing. Such an interest can be your job, tradition/local customs, hunting or an "commonly acknowledged/accepted purpose" (allgemein anerkannter Zweck). My translation is supposably wrong, but I think you get the idea.
Nobody knows what exactly that "purpose" is, but I'm pretty sure that those who changed the law don't know either. For me, the purpose of a knife is cutting and chopping with the big ones, so I should be safe all along as it is common sense. But somehow I doubt that...
So if Kevin Wilkins designs a tactical folder, I guess it will have a one-hand opening mechanism but no lock, maybe a blackcoated blade, a G10 handle and most important for me, it'll have a pocket clip. These kinds of knives are pretty rare on the market today. Unfortunately I don't think I'll have enough money to buy one.
So, I hope I was able to clear things up a bit concerning German law...it is soo stupid!:barf:
Morales
Nobody knows what exactly that "purpose" is, but I'm pretty sure that those who changed the law don't know either. For me, the purpose of a knife is cutting and chopping with the big ones, so I should be safe all along as it is common sense. But somehow I doubt that...
So if Kevin Wilkins designs a tactical folder, I guess it will have a one-hand opening mechanism but no lock, maybe a blackcoated blade, a G10 handle and most important for me, it'll have a pocket clip. These kinds of knives are pretty rare on the market today. Unfortunately I don't think I'll have enough money to buy one.
So, I hope I was able to clear things up a bit concerning German law...it is soo stupid!:barf:
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Well, as has been suggested, it must be black and have blood grooves but, the most important feature, often overlooked, is the capability of covert deanimation!
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Well seems like a shoot first reaction to me and only considering the "law aspect" it doesn´t seem a good idea for me.
Non understandable laws are one thing, to act in undemanded obedience to them is something different.
Knife knuts do themselves no favor, if they obey, what can´t be seriously followed. This new law has its own stupid meaning. But knife forums are not the best place to discuss it.
But, beside all law discussions, a nice small slipjoint, stronger than the Pen knife but as comfort to use might be a good seller.
Non understandable laws are one thing, to act in undemanded obedience to them is something different.
Knife knuts do themselves no favor, if they obey, what can´t be seriously followed. This new law has its own stupid meaning. But knife forums are not the best place to discuss it.
But, beside all law discussions, a nice small slipjoint, stronger than the Pen knife but as comfort to use might be a good seller.
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It was my understanding of the law, while at the IWA show in Germany, that the new law permitted one hand open and no locking blade OR a locking blade but with no one hand opening. there still seems to be some confusion.
When I spoke with Kevin about the issue, we believed that the current UK Pen Knife that we make will be legal in Gemany to carry.
(The UK Pen Knife ois one of Spyderco's new line of "Slipits" which are "Clip-carry, One-hand-open, non-locking-folders).
Perhaps that is the direction he is thinking.
sal
When I spoke with Kevin about the issue, we believed that the current UK Pen Knife that we make will be legal in Gemany to carry.
(The UK Pen Knife ois one of Spyderco's new line of "Slipits" which are "Clip-carry, One-hand-open, non-locking-folders).
Perhaps that is the direction he is thinking.
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Yes, the law considers "one hand opening and locking" and fixed blades over 12cm.
You may carry a Buck 110, because its two handed opening and locking, but i am sure, you´ll be asked, "what you want with the knife?" as usual.
In some respect, nothing has really changed.
Surely you´ll be noticed nicely with a cute Pen knife, which is allowed because it does not lock.
You may carry a Buck 110, because its two handed opening and locking, but i am sure, you´ll be asked, "what you want with the knife?" as usual.
In some respect, nothing has really changed.
Surely you´ll be noticed nicely with a cute Pen knife, which is allowed because it does not lock.
OK, to get things straight:
Allowed are fixed blades of less than 12cm blade lenght.
Allowed are folders regardless of blade-length as long as they don't have a lock and a one-hand-opening possibility.
Not allowed are folders, regardless of blade-length, that have a lock AND a one-hand-opening possibility.
UK pen-knife is legal,
Giant Douk-Douk is legal,
Glock knife is illegal (because of blade-length)
Glock knife shortend to 12 or less cm is legal
Spyderco lady bug is illegal (one-hand and lock)
Allowed are fixed blades of less than 12cm blade lenght.
Allowed are folders regardless of blade-length as long as they don't have a lock and a one-hand-opening possibility.
Not allowed are folders, regardless of blade-length, that have a lock AND a one-hand-opening possibility.
UK pen-knife is legal,
Giant Douk-Douk is legal,
Glock knife is illegal (because of blade-length)
Glock knife shortend to 12 or less cm is legal
Spyderco lady bug is illegal (one-hand and lock)
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@lycosa: You're welcome!
And Blop, I couldn't agree with you more! Unfortunately, I've already read about some special new "German" knives, but all were fixed ones. This fast adoption isn't really helpful for us knife knuts at all.
As an addition to what DD wrote: You're allowed to own every knife you want just like before, BUT you're are not allowed to carry them in public as long as you don't have any of the aforementioned purposes or interests.
What's driving me crazy is the fact that the purpose of a knife is cutting. That's what it has been used for since the Stone Age. You can use a knife for hurting people, but this is also possible with a lot of other things. But surprise, surprise there are already laws against those crimes. Every aspect of not using a knife for its intended purpose was illegal before the new law came out, except maybe not for self-defense. But this is a very delicate subject and no one likes to talk about that.
They can take away my pink Jester, but let me keep my 110? What we're they thinking?
The major problem that will come up sooner or later is that no politician will admit that they've made mistakes. Going back is not an option. The next "logical step" will probably be a complete ban of all fixed in public and maybe even of all folding knives. The SAKs could survive this insanity but I might miss my guess.
And Blop, I couldn't agree with you more! Unfortunately, I've already read about some special new "German" knives, but all were fixed ones. This fast adoption isn't really helpful for us knife knuts at all.
As an addition to what DD wrote: You're allowed to own every knife you want just like before, BUT you're are not allowed to carry them in public as long as you don't have any of the aforementioned purposes or interests.
What's driving me crazy is the fact that the purpose of a knife is cutting. That's what it has been used for since the Stone Age. You can use a knife for hurting people, but this is also possible with a lot of other things. But surprise, surprise there are already laws against those crimes. Every aspect of not using a knife for its intended purpose was illegal before the new law came out, except maybe not for self-defense. But this is a very delicate subject and no one likes to talk about that.
They can take away my pink Jester, but let me keep my 110? What we're they thinking?
The major problem that will come up sooner or later is that no politician will admit that they've made mistakes. Going back is not an option. The next "logical step" will probably be a complete ban of all fixed in public and maybe even of all folding knives. The SAKs could survive this insanity but I might miss my guess.
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Thanks, my English needs some improvement..and no, I don't like friction folders particularly, but I always have at least one SAK with me. I would like to see more tactical slippies on the market regardless of the situation over here. After all I just don't like the term "tactical". Everything is tactical these days no matter where you look. But I'm sure that Wilkins will be coming up with a great design.