Tactical slippie??

Discussion in 'General Knife Discussion' started by Lycosa, May 5, 2008.

  1. wutitiz

    wutitiz

    923
    Mar 5, 2008
    Don't get me started on 'tactical knife.' It is poor English.

    If a fixed blade is allowed, that would be the obvious way to go. Is it limited to 12 cm (4.7 inches) blade length, or 12 cm overall length? If the former, that is bigger than I would want for an EDC anyway.
     
  2. Lycosa

    Lycosa

    Aug 24, 2007
    Tactical, is just a Market BS catch-phrase. I only used that term because Kevin used it on his web-site. ANY knife, can be a tactical knife. Morales, I agree---Wilkins new folder will not disappoint!
     
  3. mhawg

    mhawg

    Jan 10, 2003
    I think I would have to dig out my old Case Buffalo P172 clasp knife. I wouldn't want to have to penetrate any heavy outer gear but slashing and soft flesh penetration would be right up it's alley. With light clothing it might get you a lung puncture if placed well but the blade is rather thin for CQC. A bead-blasted Buffalo with G-10 slabs would make a honkin' nice carry blade.
     
  4. Lycosa

    Lycosa

    Aug 24, 2007
    WOOOOOOOO WEEE!!! I'll take one!
     
  5. DonDisco

    DonDisco

    34
    Nov 26, 2002
     
  6. wutitiz

    wutitiz

    923
    Mar 5, 2008
    Thanks for reply. I would certainly live with that. I would carry Fallkniven TK2 with 4" (10 cm) blade, lam steel with 3G (62 hrc) core, and call it good. That is much more knife than I can legally carry in Seattle, USA. I would have a custom sheath made for knife & phone and carry it on my belt. Forget the 'tactical slippie.'
     
  7. STR

    STR Knifemaker/Moderator Moderator

    Aug 27, 2004
    I think its done quite well already by Spyderco in their UK Pen Knife and others coming. If the slip joint is made with a choil to allow the index finger to get ahead of the pivot in a grip the finger there wrapped around it securely blocking the blade from closing can in effect keep the blade from biting you if you had to do a stab and slice. Its the only way to trust the blade enough to use it for something harder than normal slicing actions. You cuold make them with a choil even without the one hand opening feature or pocket clip so once opened it would be more secure really than a normal everyday slippie.:thumbup:

    STR
     
  8. quinque voces

    quinque voces

    149
    Oct 18, 2005
    If forced to choose between one hand opening and a locking blade I will always go with the lock. Safety should be more important than comfort. Therefore a tactical version of a slipjoint won't catch me holding my breath.

    Yet I and probably many other German knife nuts would be greatly interested in a 'tactical' folder with two hand opening. Offer such a blade with G 10 scales, a clip and preferably a lockback and you have a winner. Right now such a knife would surely sell well on the German market. So please Kevin or Sal consider a sprintrun of a tactical lockback or framelock with two hand opening. I understand that at least for Spyderco the hole is a trademark but all that would be required is to scale down the hole in one of the models. Spyderco did it before with the Perrin Street Bowie and could do it again easily. An Endura or an Atlantic Salt with a small hole like the Perrin would simply be great.

    Mike
     
    Last edited: May 7, 2008
  9. Zero_Time

    Zero_Time

    Dec 28, 2006
    Question: how does the law define one handed opening exactly? Does it say "can open with use of one hand", "opens with use of single hand" or "needs two hands to open"? Because, if it says either of the first 2, I think you could make a strong argument for a knife that used some other mechanism than just one hand- i.e., a waved knife, a particular sheath, etc., and thus is not a "one hand opener". Also, is the simple ABILITY or the INTENTION what makes it one hand opening? A Buck 110 would be legal, but what if I put thumbstuds on it, or found a way to manipulate it open singlehanded? Any thoughts?

    Or, the other argument would be to find the definition of a sheath knife- California defines a sheath knife as a knife that is in the ready position or something, explicitly defines folding knives that are locked open as sheath knives. So, if there was some way to make a knife fold yet be declared a sheath knife, that would be the way to go.

    Otherwise, what is defined as a lock on a knife? Something integral that activates on it's own, or any other type of thing? If you were to take a slip joint one hand opener, open it, and manually put a locking collar on it right there, what is it defined as- an illegal knife? Or if you break it down again, what then? What if the lock needed to be manipulated first before it locked? Would that work? If you had a knife where the lock activated after pressing a button or lock release, is it a locking knife?

    Take it down to really precise reasoning. Get some German legal scholars on it. This is a time that someone like Bernard Levine, but of Deutsch nationality would really help.
    Zero
     
  10. DonDisco

    DonDisco

    34
    Nov 26, 2002
    It has all be done already. Definition: A folding-knife that can be transferred with one hand from a locked position into a open and locked position.
    So if the prosecutor is able to flick-open a Buck 110, you're in trouble.
     
  11. Morales

    Morales

    523
    Apr 27, 2007
    Those politicians who changed the law actually know little or nothing 'bout knives. They don't know why onehand-opening was invented and for which reasons it is being used today. Sadly, they just don't care about facts.

    Several experts told them that such modification would not work, that it would be inefficient, but only the opinions of the so-called experts from Berlin were taken seriously.

    For now, there are a lot of questions about definitions, purposes, interests but no answers, that you can rely on when you're on trial. I still have my Tenacious with me and I won't give in.
     
  12. Lycosa

    Lycosa

    Aug 24, 2007
    Morales---They will only take my Tenacious from my cold dead fingers!! How's that for a slogan??
     
  13. Blop

    Blop

    Mar 7, 2003
    Hands, dead cold hands. Wasn´t it that?:D
     
  14. Lycosa

    Lycosa

    Aug 24, 2007
    Very good, Blop!!
     
  15. Phil Elmore

    Phil Elmore

    Feb 28, 2002
    You will go insane trying to find logic or reason in knife (or gun) laws. There is no point in trying.

    As for a "tactical knife," I think a good working definition is a daily utility knife that is well-suited, functionally, for emergency self-defense use.

    Two slip joint-type knives that come to mind for this purpose, if you absolutely had to do so, would be the Spyderco T-Mag and the CRKT Edgie, both excellent knives. The T-Mag has a rare earth magnet that serves the same function as a slip-joint. The Edgie is a non-locking folder with a built-in sharpener.
     
  16. jonesjp@surry.net

    [email protected]

    421
    Dec 31, 2007
    I'd want a knife that is easy to open, but without a mechanism for one-handed operation; and a strong lock. I'd also want a good choil.

    What the heck are people with one good hand supposed to do?

    I learned how to snap open a blade in the 60s, way before thumb assists or assisted openings. Just build the blade so that it extends well out from the handle near the pivot, as if filling in the hole on a spyderco. A thumb groove would help, but isn't necessary.

    But if I wanted something defensive, the last thing I'd need is something that would fold closed on me. I'd rather have a roll of nickles.
     
  17. Lycosa

    Lycosa

    Aug 24, 2007
    Jones---Yah-Yah!! Hey check out the Bulldog Brand Sodbusters at CollecterKnives!! I just ordered one of each, RED handled. How's your collection?
     
  18. Morales

    Morales

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    Apr 27, 2007
    I like that! :D I have to think about if it works better with "my Leek" or "my Cara Cara", but I'm sure all will be fine. It might even not matter, cause they won't get me! I'm such an inconspicuous person...
     
  19. Lycosa

    Lycosa

    Aug 24, 2007
    You Wascle!! A knife in each hand!! Till death do us part!
     
  20. elkins45

    elkins45

    Jun 17, 2006
    Once again, a perfect place to insert the phrase "sport utility knife".:)
     

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