Tactical to Traditional??

When I read about traditional knife carriers saying "no one needs" such and such a knife, it annoys me, TBH. Even though I grew up with stockmen, Barlows, etc. Nowadays, a lot of people out there say that no one needs to carry any type of pocketknife, traditional or otherwise; that anything with a sharp blade or point should be illegal to carry. Sounds a bit like those traditional carriers who don't think anyone "needs" a one-handed locking knife. Now even the tiniest non-locking traditional patterns are considered weapons at sporting events, amusement parks, courthouses, airports/airplanes, etc.

Jim
 
You will thank yourself in the future for doing this.

An added benefit would be some carbon steel that will patina with age, and go gray along with its owner.

They fit in a watch pocket and can be used at a church social.

And in the end you have a collection of knives that are beautiful as well as highly functional.

Do it. You know you want to, and the little voice inside needs to be followed. Trust me.

:D

yepp ;)
 
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I carried a pocket knife regularly for 30 years before I was ever aware of a one-hand opener. But like many knife knuts, I have and use both. So I guess you could say I went the other way, from Traditional to Tactical. The more I use knives, the more I learn about what works best for what job, and I don't play any favorites, they're all good tools. For my everyday uses, Traditionals work better, so I use them 95% of the time.

I like big super steel folders and fixed blades for deer camp, where we skin and butcher 4-6 deer in an evening; they excel at that duty. I just got myself a Spyderco Farid K2 in 10V for this season. The open construction is easy to clean up afterward, and they cut and cut and cut and . . . . . :D
 
I actually think there are three styles.
►Tactical - which tend to be built like a brick telephone booth with thick heavy blades. Often advertised as "folding fixed blades". Often marketed with a focus on self-defence.
►One-handers - less robustly built than "tacticals", but with pocket clip and open with one hand. Not normally marketed as "self-defence" tools, but sometimes discussed as such by the uninformed.
►Traditionals

I carry two of the three styles.
I carry one-handers because they are handy to use.
I carry traditionals because they give me several useful blade shapes in a single package.

When I'm working and have one hand grabbing what needs to be cut and only one hand free to open and hold the knife, a one-hander is darned handy to have.

When I have both hands free, a traditional gives me a choice of blades, each with a shape optimized for certain types of cuts.

I was thinking about this earlier and had a post blow up on me before it made it here. I, like Frank, grew up with pocket knives. There were no non traditional knives, or if there were the distinction was lost on me and everyone I knew. I've come to appreciate modern knife construction and ease of use that these knives offer. My love of traditional knives comes from what I saw my father and grandfather using as I was growing up. I'm a traditionalist about many things, knives being one.

I agree with the 3 categories. I use traditional knives and one handers as well as fixed blades. I don't carry or use "tactical" knives.

If I have one knife with me it's a traditional. If two they are both traditional. More then two (which happens very often, almost daily) the third can be a OHO or a fixed blade. Four is the max for me and that would include 2 trads, 1 OHO and 1 fixed blade.
It's a sickness.....
They get used based on the particular task or my whim. I will say that if I'm sitting and fiddling with a knife 90 out of a hundred times it's a traditional.

My tactical knives are limited to a few Gerber combat knives and the like that are collectors items.
 
For me, there's enough love to go around for both. I have some modern knives that have TONS of character. I like both styles, and I'm fine with that. Nothing wrong with it at all.

As I type this, I have a very well used Al Mar Sere 2K in my right front pocket, and "ol Soddy" in my left front. They get along just fine.
 
I actually think there are three styles.
►Tactical - which tend to be built like a brick telephone booth with thick heavy blades. Often advertised as "folding fixed blades". Often marketed with a focus on self-defence.
►One-handers - less robustly built than "tacticals", but with pocket clip and open with one hand. Not normally marketed as "self-defence" tools, but sometimes discussed as such by the uninformed.
►Traditionals

I carry two of the three styles.
I carry one-handers because they are handy to use.
I carry traditionals because they give me several useful blade shapes in a single package.

When I'm working and have one hand grabbing what needs to be cut and only one hand free to open and hold the knife, a one-hander is darned handy to have.

When I have both hands free, a traditional gives me a choice of blades, each with a shape optimized for certain types of cuts.

Very much agree. Today I carried my PM2 with my Fremont Jack. The Jack saw the majority of use because I didn't need one hand to open. I think I will continue to carry two knives, one being a traditional or SAK, the other a one-hander.
 
We have the three inch/locking laws in place here in South Texas, but I have never seen them enforced unless part of a larger problem such as being used in a bar fight or stabbing. As an interesting piece of local history, our knife law prohibiting locking knives and knives with blades over three inches is directly attributable to the Buck 110.

That's right, the venerated, respected, "now considered traditional" 110. It had a nasty point on it that was seen as making it a stabbing tool. It locked, which the traditionalists of the day screamed that NO traditional knife needed a lock unless it was for no good purpose. (Learn how to use your knife, boy... you shouldn't need training wheels...)

The lock was the killer as they local constabulary felt that it made it into a concealable weapon. And it was. The local motorcycle club immediately adopted it as their own for must have gear. A ton of folks carried them, and it was found to be a quite necessary tool of the Saturday Night Knife and Gun Club. I didn't get one back in the 60s because in its day, that knife was considered an aggressor's weapon around here. Lots of murders, stabbings and misunderstandings with that knife, and it was so often used that they developed a graphic (which reinforced it as a thug's knife) to show when they announced a local stabbing murder.

That only lasted a few years, but that knife was considered the blade of a trouble maker. The popular thinking among my blue collar workers was that if you wanted a blade that size on a knife, you should buy a fixed. If you didn't want to learn how use a folder properly which meant you shouldn't need a lock, maybe you shouldn't carry a knife at all. Traditional knife carriers were really militant then, and saw no need for this large, heavy, overbuilt locking knife with the long point that was SO big that it came with a belt sheath. Or was that actually a holster? The city ordinance passed easily that banned that type of knife, and the 110 was used as the poster boy to get it done.

Rigorous enforcement of the law got a lot of folks in trouble, and if you were in an altercation of any type and the police were called, you were arrested if you had a 110 on your person, even if no used in the commission of a crime. Arrested. Possession of an illegal weapon!

After about 5 years or so, all that calmed down, and the 110 started showing up everywhere. So much so, (and for a while, with so many police officers carrying them) the just quit enforcing the law. I have never seen anyone get in trouble around here for their choice of knife carry as long as they use common sense when carrying it.



Heck, ya! I wasn't familiar with that particular knife, but it seems our law makers all have the same kind of sensibilities when making law. It makes perfect sense that you shouldn't be able to carry a knife with a 3" blade, but can carry a double edged fighting dirk/dagger when wearing a kilt. Makes perfect sense to me!

Robert

Robert, thanks for that. What a fascinating bit of history!

Unfortunately here in Scotland there is a very serious problem with knife related violence. Especially in the inner cities. Gang warfare of the particularly tough estates in Glasgow for instance, is a continuous struggle for the residents and police alike. Cheap locking knives and cheap kitchen knives being the biggest culprits.

Along with my sgian dubh (I have a beautiful custom in SF100 steel with ebony covers) I have an imitation sgian dubh which I wear if I'm going to a rugby match or going somewhere I'm likely to be drinking much ale and whisky. It has no blade. It's a handle attached to a sheath permanently.

Paul
 
I've been a member on the forum for a while now and most of the knives I buy/use are your modern "tactical" style folders like ZT, Spyderco, etc. Just recently I've been VERY into traditional knives. It all started with the Northwood's Fremont Jack, then I got the forum knife and well it's becoming somewhat of an addiction as you can all relate too. More than anything, I appreciate the beauty of a traditional and the utility. I found myself asking the question. " do I really need a large Ti framelock for my typical edc tasks"? The answer is no. A traditional or SAK will do what I do no problem. So what is the point of these "tactical" knives really? Self defense? I carry a gun for that. Or if I had to I'd use a small fixed blade over a folder. In the woods I'll choose a fixed blade any day over a folder. I'm sitting here thinking, why carry a large tactical knife? Why not carry a traditional that IMO has much more character and has that "heirloom" type feel to it, plus more utility. I"m seriously considering selling all of my tactical style folders and focusing soley on traditional's and SAk's. I know my wife will thank me, I've ruined countless pairs of jeans with those g10 scales and pocket clips. Thoughts???
Agreed! That's a great combo!
This Farmer was a gift, so don't know where it came from. I believe Alnamvet bought a couple of these so he may be able to tell you where he got his.

I love the orange Alox :)


The perfect pair.
 
Save for a couple of PM2's which I'll sell sometime down the road, and a handful of other smaller modern folders, I've essentially taken the SAK route, particularly in alox. I also have fixies, but nothing larger than a ESEE 3...

 
I actually think there are three styles.
►Tactical - which tend to be built like a brick telephone booth with thick heavy blades. Often advertised as "folding fixed blades". Often marketed with a focus on self-defence.
►One-handers - less robustly built than "tacticals", but with pocket clip and open with one hand. Not normally marketed as "self-defence" tools, but sometimes discussed as such by the uninformed.
►Traditionals


Frank, this is a really excellent post.

It bears underscoring that some knives are specifically designed for martial purposes and the design choices are made to provide specific tactical advantages. Calling them "tactical" or "fighting" knives is perfectly legitimate. One designer's perspective from a recent threat in the General forum.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...lity-and-Knife-Design?p=13943817#post13943817

There are clearly traditional knives with tactical/fighting purposes. The Spanish Navja, Bowie, Ka-Bar and Sykes-Fairbanks design all come to mind.


We have the three inch/locking laws in place here in South Texas, but I have never seen them enforced unless part of a larger problem such as being used in a bar fight or stabbing. As an interesting piece of local history, our knife law prohibiting locking knives and knives with blades over three inches is directly attributable to the Buck 110.

That's right, the venerated, respected, "now considered traditional" 110. It had a nasty point on it that was seen as making it a stabbing tool. It locked, which the traditionalists of the day screamed that NO traditional knife needed a lock unless it was for no good purpose. (Learn how to use your knife, boy... you shouldn't need training wheels...)

The lock was the killer as they local constabulary felt that it made it into a concealable weapon. And it was. The local motorcycle club immediately adopted it as their own for must have gear. A ton of folks carried them, and it was found to be a quite necessary tool of the Saturday Night Knife and Gun Club. I didn't get one back in the 60s because in its day, that knife was considered an aggressor's weapon around here. Lots of murders, stabbings and misunderstandings with that knife, and it was so often used that they developed a graphic (which reinforced it as a thug's knife) to show when they announced a local stabbing murder.

Robert, this is my understanding of the early history of the Buck 110. Still a standard part of the "uniform" among bikers in the Northeast from what I can tell.

Only thing to add is that my understanding is that the Buck 112 got the name "Ranger" as a reference to a fight that took place on the USS Ranger that involved several stabbing with Buck 110s, which then led to a 3" blade restriction on the ship. FWIW, I think the 112 is among the prettiest production knives ever made, but I also think the Spitfire is among the prettiest planes ever made too.
 
Save for a couple of PM2's which I'll sell sometime down the road

Good to know. Those PM2's are great cutters and a great all around knife. Used it yesterday when cleaning out the garage and it was cutting through everything I needed it for.
 
I don't happen to like Tactical pocket knives, that doesn't mean there is anything wrong with them. I just like the "old timey" stuff.
 
I don't happen to like Tactical pocket knives, that doesn't mean there is anything wrong with them. I just like the "old timey" stuff.

I here you on that. Right now I tend to like both but lean more towards the traditionals. The one thing I find with traditionals is that many times it can be a crap shoot with the scales and the pull/snap. Sometimes you get scales that are too light, don't match, etc.., or the snap and pull is too strong. Such is life I guess.
 
I was in the same boat as you not to long ago. It only gets worse once you've been bit by the traditional bug:)
 
I like being able to pull out a handsome traditional around others if I need it, I'm often around other parents and impressions can count, I'm just being real
 
Save for a couple of PM2's which I'll sell sometime down the road, and a handful of other smaller modern folders, I've essentially taken the SAK route, particularly in alox. I also have fixies, but nothing larger than a ESEE 3...


That's a very nice trio ya got there, Al!:thumb up:

You can go a very long way with a few items like that.
 
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