Tad Gear Stealth Softshell Jacket?

Just got this back from CS at Arc'teryx:

>>Thank you for your interest in Arc'teryx. I would look at either the Gamma
MX or the Gamma SV. The SV is warmer. The Sigma SV would also be a good
choice as it is slightly more water resistant and is 100% windproof. I hope
this helps. Happy Holidays,

So, I'm off to look at those. Meanwhile:

>>I have the TAD Soft Shell, and the Hard Shell, and planning to order a Hoody. Having gone through many many various shells from North Face, Patagonia and Mountain Hardware, I find the TAD offerings to be better suited for the Urban enviornment.

Tony, can you elaborate on this??

>>all those options add up to a arcteryx

Voodoo: What model do you have?

Brian
 
Max Thunderstone said:
Tony, can you elaborate on this??
It was already discussed. The TAD offerings have much better designed pockets to carry the stuff I would need when I'm in town. Something most of the "outdoor" jackets lack. Stylistically, the TAD jackets blend in much better than the others. It's more urban less outdoorsy.

To be honest, while I like the TAD jackets, I do find myself wearing my Barbour Berwick Endurance more than any other jacket. It's along the old traditonal Hunting tactical theme.
 
It's all overpriced...
I got a buddy with the Tad jacket...
Eddie Bauer had something like that two seasons ago for 99 bucks, and this year, K-mart has something similar (not exactly the same material, but very, very close) for 44 bucks that went to 25 bucks on blowout...
 
Picking a jacket is worse than picking a knife... I'm looking at both the Marmot Adamant and the Sharp Point. Anyone got experience with either of the two?
 
I'd just like to chime in at this moment to laugh at all you poor coat wearing saps. :cool: :D


(If you're angry at me, feel free to laugh at me in the summer when I'm baking my butt in 110 degree heat).
 
MelancholyMutt said:
It's all overpriced...
I got a buddy with the Tad jacket...
Eddie Bauer had something like that two seasons ago for 99 bucks,

I have an Eddie Bauer Shell that I paid about 99.00 for. Its there version of goretex for waterproof and breathability, has lots of pockets including sleeve, chest, handwarmer, cargo and internal. It has served me very well as a single piece for Seattle/Olympia down pours and as an outer layer for serious cold/snow/wind off the coast of Maine. This coat combined with a decent fleece (30-50bucks) has handled winter on islands off the coast of Maine, Toronto in February. It looks good and doesn't stand out at all in an urban environment.


Also, EB has been making quality outdoor clothing for about 100 years, even if there current image is a bit more sedate and casual.

another 2 cents
 
Pricing on any garmet depends on several factors.

Anything made off shore can cost a fraction of the retail price. For example the REI One jacket costs $30.00 to make using foreign labour for qty of 1000 or more per color.

The same jacket made here in the USA for qty of 500-1000 or less would cost about half the retail at $75.00 if using generic knock-off fabric. Over 1000 pieces and a small percentage for manufacturing discount begins.

as for "...in house brands...", besides Arc'teryx which was up until 2 years ago all made in shops in Canada. Most major outdoor brands including Patagonia, Mountain Hardwear, the Northface, etc, etc have their clothes, which are still allocated for USA manufacture (*a very small percentage of total output), made often times in the East Bay of California. There are several major hubs of outdoor manufacturing all within 20 miles of each other in the East Bay. In fact one of the largest or best known called "Mt Everest" which is downtown Oakland, has 5 or 6 floors of sewers making outdoor garments and gear. SOP for any of these factories is to make the gear for whatever brand they have a contract. On any given day a factory like that will be sewing things for 4 or 5 major brands including patagonia or mtn hardwear, they will even sew for small local outfits like TAD gear. this is the norm. much of manufacturing done this way. where do you think big O tires are made? the goodyear factory. well gooollly! i wouldn't uh thunk uh dat billie bob!... the same SOP for off shore production as well. those same sweat shops in asian sew for several major well know brands, as well as lesser known.

btw, the same tired ladies do all the sewing no matter what country it is. they're all asian and latin.

pricing depends largely on qty and which materials you use. the more generic the fabric and higher qty, the cheaper the cost and of course retail.

so the mark up on a REI jacket is tremendous. this helps pad the sales of other non-REI brand products which is typically 20-40%. even markdown their ONE jacket to 40 bucks and they are still making 10 bucks.

90% of the northface product is made in China and in huge qtys.

USA made outdoor garments is 4 times the price for labour. fabric like malden mills powershield softshell fleece(a standard high qual softshell) is something like $20-24 a yard. takes about 2 or more yards to make a softshell jacket.

very few outfits in the US will sew less than 1000 pieces. the labour can double in price for a factory's "trouble" to sew less than the std min of 1000 pieces..

feel free to check with malden mills or mt everest for production costs and material costs. do the research and do the math.

there are some awesome deals out there. end of season sales, blow outs, mega chain production, can fetch some dreamy-creamy prices for penny pinching bargain hunters. heck with this current ecomony where the top 1% are getting richer on their tax breaks and the working class are paying for it, bargains are welcome any day of the week.

there's kmarts and there's barney's.

hey, let's start to bitch and moan on how expensive a randall, onion, or strider knife is! i know some awesome knife deals on the knife collectors channel! :rolleyes: let's all go over there and brag about the killa deals we just got there homey! phat yo!

i can't afford a mercedes G-wagen, its hella expensive, but i don't cry about it or complain like a little girl b/c i can't get one or found a slammin deal on a VW thing. i am happy with my jeep b/c that's what i can afford.

i love my made in Canada arc'teryx soft shell, cost me $300 bones. I love my made in USA TAD softshell hoodie, retails for $189.00. I love my made in mexico Patagonia fleece cardigan cost around $175.00. i'll pass on the kmart brand stuff even if it's a dreamy-creamy lowball bargain hunter's wet dream.
 
heh. I save money every way I can. When you have to live off of 700 a month while in school you find ways. Paying full retail when you have to is one thing. If I can wait and find something I want on sale I hardly consider myself a penny pincher, I call it intelligence. Paying 250 retail at the mall or 175 online and eating for a week... decisions... :barf:
 
Update of sorts:

Well, after another day of crazy Ohio weather and the mad dash of trying on all sorts of shells. I'm down to two:

It's either going to be the Arc'teryx Gamma SV Jacket or the TAD Stealth. I loved the color (Blue) of the Gamma but wished it had more pockets and a longer cut... I'm not fond of the Black color on the Stealth. Don't look good in it. The TAD I can't try on, though...Hmmm...

A couple more days of thinking on it..
 
francis7 said:
In fact one of the largest or best known called "Mt Everest" which is downtown Oakland, has 5 or 6 floors of sewers making outdoor garments and gear.
I see Mt. Everest luggage and packs at swap meets and street fairs. Is this the same company?
 
=Voodoo= said:
black jackets dont look good unless they are leather :D

Black leather is just way too cliche. I got a black leather jacket as a gift last year and thought it was pretty cool. I still appreciate it, but after wearing it for a little bit, you can't help but notice that EVERYONE has a black leather coat...

Mark
 
People wear leather for a good reason, it works. I just received a cooper M65 in black goat skin. I love the pockets. Nice quality.
You have to wear a leather jacket like you were born with it on.
Mike Morris
 
Thought I would chime in since I own a Ranger Hoodie...

IMHO, TAD gear is overpriced in comparison to other similar garments you'd find at REI or EMS, etc. The Ranger Hoody was $150 when I got it, and it's basically a high quality zippered fleece hoody w/ some nice pockets/slots. That being said, it is an awesome hoody, I wear mine a lot, it has a tapered fit, so usually i wear a tee underneath. I think it should be priced around $115 though, it is high quality fleece, not gore tex.

As for soft shells, you can definitely find good deals from REI, sierra trading post, and Overstock. I have an EMS soft shell that I got offseason for $75 bucks (half off at the time).

I think TAD's prices are higher because they just don't produce as much as Marmot, REI, Arc Teryx etc. I do think how they tailor their items to be more tactical should account for some of their higher prices.

With all this being said, if I didn't already have a Ranger Hoody, I'd order it now, as it is on sale, and you can get the Snody 420 at cost when you buy them together, which makes it well worth it IMO.

Cheers,

Bert
 
Yes, TAD is way overpriced for what the jacket really is, you can easily get a comparable and more durable item from a number of manufacturers elsewhere. TAD customer service is rather poor too. I while ago I placed an order with them and was not informed that the item was on indefinite backorder...that is not until I called to enquire about the lengthy delay. I was offered no explanation as to when they were going to get the item in, or even if they were going to get it at all. I expect a little bit more when I am placing an order for several hundred dollars.
 
grr if I hadn't just spent 200 dollars on a Mountain Hardwear fleece :mad: I bet that hoodie is extremely comfortable.
 
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