Talonite, what is the truth?

There are so many good posts by so many respectable people in this thread that anything I could say would be redundant so I wont say anymore!
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Well, except for one thing, I totally agree with all the statements that there is no perfect blade material! It would get boring real fast if there was..........
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I am not a knifemaker, or metalurgical engineer. Shoot, I can't even afford to buy one of these custom knives. But, If this stuff doesn't perform like the customers think it should, why haven't they said anything here? I know if I had waited all that time and paid my hard earned money for something that didn't live up to what I was told to expect This would be the place to say so.

You know, I've heard all kinds of talk about how AUS6 is crap and AUS8 isn't good for any thing more than ashtrays, and so on. But I found out something absolutely amazing. If you put a little picture of a bug on the darn stuff, it becomes the most wonderful slicing material known to modern man.

Now, I don,t know if these people are just deluded or if they do something magical with that stuff before they put the bug on it. But I do know that people like those knifes that are made out of that stuff. And don't you dare tell them that their favorite knife is made from the same stuff as a Frost Cutlery blade!

Sure, some of what you hear is hype. And probably more comes from the magazine folks than anyone else. But the little blades with the bug on them do what the customers want. I know because they sell all they can make. And it would appear that this talonite stuff does, too.

Lab tests can tell you something about a product. How that pertains to real world use is another thing. You don't really believe that little EPA MPG sticker on the new car window do you? Talonite is probably not much different than anything else. Your mileage may vary.

Sorry to interrupt you folks, but I just felt like I had to put in my $.02 worth.

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I haven't sprung for a Talonite knife yet, though one of those Camillus Talons may end up as an "evaluation sample" one of these days. I do have a much-used Boye dendritic cobalt folder, and I can say that it just keeps on cutting cardboard and shrink wrap with minimum or no maintenance. I'm told that it's not the best thing for whittling hard stuff, and I haven't tested that wisdom.


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Given the low nominal RC hardness of the cobalt cutting alloys, would Talonite be a bad choice for the can-opener tool in my best multitool to open a large can of worms?

And would Talonite or similar cobalt-based cutting alloys be a good choice for:

A skinning knife?
A whittling knife?
A box-opening knife?
A paring knife?
A boning or fillet knife?
A bread knife?
A chef's knife?
A seriously expensive machete?
A small fighter?
A big leg of lamb hacking fighter?


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[This message has been edited by James Mattis (edited 03-12-2000).]
 
Hey!

If Doc Ron can hunt monkeys in Idaho... Well, you just never know.
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Don't feel bad, Doc. In Ohio we have a new open season for Wild Pigs this year. Closest thing anyone in Ohio has seen to a Wild Pig is at the local buffet on a Friday night. I have a petition in the works to have it changed. I'd much rather hunt the Elk we don't have than those nasty old pigs!
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Scientific testing tells you a lot but sometimes a lot of things are overlooked. An example would be Spyderco's testing of various blade materials a while ago. 440V, 420V, BG42, and some strange material tested best in edge holding. Yet some people swear that their ATS34 Spyderco's or even some of their "cheaper" steels hold a better edge than their 440V blades. How could this be? Because Spyderco's 440V was softer than some of the other steels and so deformed quicker when cutting harder materials or when the edge encountered that occasional staple. Yet the 440V did better than the other steels during Spyderco's testing, because all it was cutting was cardboard, or whatever it was cutting, due to it's abrasion resistance.

-Johnny
 
MDP,
So far according to lots of satisfied customers.......
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Sorry couldn't resist!!

I have customers inquire often about Talonite being worth the extra cost over my standard D2 material. As I don't have MY OWN Talonite knife yet to test out, I direct them to your website or Cliffs information so they can make their own decisions. With the next shipment of Talonite, I WILL make my own knife and put it through it's paces. I realy feel uneasy about not being able to comment on a material that I offer!!
Neil

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Cougar :

Talonite knives get dull to a certain point but then go on cutting without seeming to get any duller for a long time. Cliff tested a Talonite knife until it got dull and then stopped testing.

I thought I had clarified this in the review but I guess not. There are two stages of blunting. The first is very rapid and the main cause of it is that the edge deforms slightly. There is a little wear here in the matrix but not very much, it is nearly 100% alignment and can be fixed with a smooth steel. The next stage of blunting is very slow. As a rough estimate, you can go up to 10x as much as material that caused the initial edge loss and not see as much of a difference. During the second stage the deformation grows larger and wear sets in. A smooth steel will not restore the blade to 100% anymore.

Here is the important part, steel does this as well. It is not something exclusive to Talonite. The reason that you don't see much written about it regarding steel is that people seem to have much higher performance expections of steel than from Talonite. After a steels performance drops between %25 - 50% during the first state blunting people touch it up on a strop, steel or ceramic rod to get it back to 100%.

I stopped the cutting when the Talonite blade would not cut the material, but would rip the cardboard and just skate along the rope / denim with no bite. I don't see any point to what happens with the blade after this as I would call it unusable at this point.

a dull Talonite knife has microserrations that can more or less cut or saw through things, better than a dull steel knife.

It is the exact opposite. Talonite goes smooth really quickly and loses all bite. This is the "doesn't cut rope well" effect. Even Carbide Processors notes this on thier main page. There are some exceptions, 1095 is a very soft carbide steel. I don't think it would outbite Talonite in the long run, however D2 does it easily and CPM-10V outcuts D2 by an even wider margin.

As for meat and other foods, I bought a Henckels kitchen knife a few months ago to do a careful look at this. After three weeks I gave up trying to blunt it on food. I saw no degredation at all in the edge. However I was very careful not to give it any impacts all all and the only wear came from the food. After that I used it as a normal knife and it goes about 3-4 days and is very dull from impacting and rollings as the steel is soft and weak.

Marion, you seem to be asking a lot of difficult questions as of late, which is good for the forums, probably not doing a lot for you though, as for the answer, here is the long and short of it. If there is disagreement between two sources you need to quite simply evaluate who you wish to believe. That is not a trival decision as it is based on complicated factors.

-Cliff

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Hemingway said, " In the proper context,not one thing is true, all things are true " .
 
Hey Dave!

Check out the Hoods Woods website... I spent 3 months in the Peruvian and Brazilian jungles over the last two years... Good monkey hunting. You can also see the Talonite blade doing much of the work I mentioned in the Jungle video we sell. I forgot the Alligators and Anaconda
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Ron actually they are Caymans, and are more closely related to the croc's than our east coast buddy, Wallygator.

 
Caimans... Yep you are right... There are something like 36 types of Caiman and they are more closely related to the Croc. The problem is in common usage. I've used the word "Caiman" in talks and folks have asked "What kind of bird is that?" others just get a blank stare. If I say Croc they envisage huge Discovery channel type critters.

I gave up on accuracy in favor of a general associative term (blame modern schooling) and just settled on Gators.... Sorry about the inaccuracy. I should have known that this group was more educated...
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Now, do you know what a candiru is?

Ron


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I have found talonite to be the preferred blade alloy for dealing with the dreaded chupacabra.
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Doc Ron, next time you're down here in South FL let me know, maybe we can hunt some using our talonite/stellite knives.

There's a reason I named my Simonich neck knife "The Talisman".
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Blues

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Yeah!

Let's go get them goat suckers! I believe they are extra terrestrial in origin and deathly allergic to Stellite and Talonite
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I have heard it said that nearly any other metal actually gives them strength.

Incidentally, though some folks claim that the chupacabra can extract organs from the victims without leaving a mark, they fail to understand that the critter is really nothing more than a commmunity of candiru, acting together, following their normal path to the interior.... from whence they retreat carrying with them the spoils of their journey.

Oh the horror!

Ron the freaked out one

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