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Tatanka vs XL Voyager lock test by Cold Steel
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This...although Cold Steel (at least their marketing division) didn't have much class in my eyes to begin with, as much as I like their knives as tools.
I'd dig it if Demko did a collab with another company although that's unlikely. If he has already I'm unaware of it.
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And that's the thing of it.
The knives can stand on their own merits.
But some folks will be impressed by it, perhaps enough to offset the loss of sales from those who are put off by it.
Who knows...I'm not a business major, after all.
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So you think your "screaming sharp" Elmax is sharper than my Aus 8? Well if it is it's because you or someone sharpened it really well. Touting a steel as being really sharp is like Coor's claiming their beer is really cold. I assume Elmax is very expensive so of course you have to convince yourself that it's worth it in order not to feel like a total fool for spending.. 3..4..5 ? times as much for your knifes as you would for a Cold Steel model. Of course CS is now switching to more expensive steels so soon you'll be able to spend more for a Cold Steel knife...Hooray!!!
If we're talking value for the dollar, I'd think a Delica or Endura at under $70 with VG-10, a Native 5 LW with S35VN at under $90, or a Manix 2 LW with S110V under $100 would be better. Similarly, an Ontario Rat 1 or Rat 2 in AUS-8 at under $35 is a better buy.
This isn't to say that CS knives aren't great users. They are, of course. Those others simply represent very smart allocation of build money by prioritizing the part of the knife that matters most.
Similarly, a CS knife is a better performance value than my TiSpine, which has a .125" thick Elmax blade at a cost equal to a ZT 0566 and 0562cf, combined. This is to say that I understand want-based buying.
I don't think it's inherently sharper, but it does stay sharp through more work. I experience the benefits of edge retention first hand in my use.
As for justifying things... Nah. I'm not That Guy. I'm comfortable admitting the difference between performance buys and want buys, and acknowledge where my own things may not meet other items in efficacy. For example, a Recon 1 in CTS XHP will perform at least as well in my typical use as my ZT 0550, and will cost less. I wouldn't begin to argue that the 0550 is a better cutting performance value, and I LOVE that knife.
Similarly, I don't own an Endura, Delica, Native 5, or Manix 2 LW, and I freely admit that they are all better performance values than anything I own.
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Whether you like CS or not one thing remains true. They make quality knives that working folks can afford to use. My expensive knives sit in my safe. My CS are with me when I'm out in the woods. When I need a knife. To date they haven't let me down. CS video, like it or not demonstrates that their folder will meet or exceed the durability of a folder costing 3 times as much.
I don't see anything wrong with that.
I don't see anything wrong with that.
CS makes a better lock than Spyderco plain and simple this is what the discussion started out as, but of course because it involves CS it goes everywhere. That is what I am saying in the folders they distribute. At least in the folders that use the Tri-ad lock. Don't know about the other folders they sell cause I don't own any. I do own a Talwar and Lawman. They are ergonomic with grippy G10, they use so far as I am concerned the strongest back lock made today for folders that a non knife person or just an average user can appreciate and not worry about. They are also utilitarian in design. They have up graded the steel used in the folders so no more saying average steel used, the CTS made steel is pretty darn good. The fixed blades they make are for the most part very very well done and huge bang for the buck. The TM in 01 and the Recon Scout in 01 stand on there own merit.
The test shown by Demko is very fair I think. The bashers here can always think of some way it wasn't fair or it was biased towards the Voyager. I don't know the Spyderco's blade broke and the CS blade didn't. The CS lock held more the Spyderco didn't. Folks don't like Thompson and CS for whatever reasons but that doesn't detract from what I saw in the video. My edc for the most part are either one or another of the Sebenza 21's I own or a CQC 7a. But when I want to use a folder for a bit more than just avg. cutting I'll go more than likely with my CS Lawman cause it's like a Timex, it takes a beating and keeps on ticking. keepem sharp
The test shown by Demko is very fair I think. The bashers here can always think of some way it wasn't fair or it was biased towards the Voyager. I don't know the Spyderco's blade broke and the CS blade didn't. The CS lock held more the Spyderco didn't. Folks don't like Thompson and CS for whatever reasons but that doesn't detract from what I saw in the video. My edc for the most part are either one or another of the Sebenza 21's I own or a CQC 7a. But when I want to use a folder for a bit more than just avg. cutting I'll go more than likely with my CS Lawman cause it's like a Timex, it takes a beating and keeps on ticking. keepem sharp
Honestly I use my knives as blades, not bludgeons. Nor am I planning on stabbing through a car door or spontaneously deciding to do pull-ups using it. As utilitarian cutting tools Spyderco knives do very well...
It's just hard to see this video as anything other than a pissing contest, quite frankly.
It's just hard to see this video as anything other than a pissing contest, quite frankly.
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Transparent is a popular word now. Saying it doesn't make it so. What is transparent about the Cold Steel more so than other companies? Scripted commercials certainly aren't your evidence of transparency is it?
Wow.
I do like some Cold Steel products and have had some Voyager amongst others going back to the first release in the 80"s?
They are getting better at some things but are very much in last place in others. At least they aren't making up what they think is a sexy name for a perfectly good steel any more. Their beginning use of premium steels is a good but a decade and a half behind. They seem to be on the right track but in other areas, like having class they are near the back of the pack still. Their advertising "proof" videos are examples of that. If they weren't so insecure about their Aus 8 knives they wouldn't have to go so over the top. Their claims of being the best leave me feeling like I'm looking at a company with a case of the short mans complex.
The Demko lock is stiff as heck on the production knives BTW. Strong, but in some knives actually painful. I'll take the Power lock and Spyderco any day but I still like the trailmaster and recon scout. They are finally catching up to the 50-100b/0170-6/carbonV Camillus USA made models in performance and desirability. Their very expensive "Sam Mai" models make me wonder if their customers have access to the internet and do they realize what performance they could be getting for the price or less going custom.
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Well, seeing as one guy has professed to be champion as pissing and another one comes along to claiming the position, isn't is good to determine who's who?
Exactly, and I personally think "spine whack" tests are stupid, I use the sharp edge not the back of the blade. If you are going to treat a knife like this then you are either misguided or need more fixed blades in your life!
I doubt you use your knife very hard if you think these tests are stupid. Think about the levering/guillitine type forces that would be put on your fingers by the blade if a lock failed. The other day I was cutting up thick plastic sheets at work and using a stabbing/levering type cutting movement. This put enormous positive and negative forces on the blade. I was glad to have the CS American Lawman that day; I would not have even attempted the cut with any other type of folding knive.
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So many comments seem to be confusing this as a test against something like a Delica...
"Who cares about the lock strength?" "Who cares how good of a bludgeon it makes?"
Um, maybe the people who buy a 9.2oz beast with a highly-rep'd new lock mechanism called the Tatanka?
Simply say that the $50 folder from Cold Steel doing better than the $200 Spyderco ruffles some feathers a bit. The Tatanka did extremely well, is tougher than it needs to be, and gives Spydie fans their unique flavor of an XL overbuilt folder. It's going to be OK folks.
"Who cares about the lock strength?" "Who cares how good of a bludgeon it makes?"
Um, maybe the people who buy a 9.2oz beast with a highly-rep'd new lock mechanism called the Tatanka?
Simply say that the $50 folder from Cold Steel doing better than the $200 Spyderco ruffles some feathers a bit. The Tatanka did extremely well, is tougher than it needs to be, and gives Spydie fans their unique flavor of an XL overbuilt folder. It's going to be OK folks.