Tate Vermeulen is not refunding my 725 dollars for a Sniper Bladeworks DMF

[Virginmesa]

Tate Vermeulen sent me a Sniper Bladeworks knife that he knew had issues. Messed up center screw, handles were chipped and the blade was not even sharp. I sent it back the same day for a refund. He then tried to stall a return and is now refusing to pay a REFUND. Over a week has gone by with no word. He has disappeared with no attempt to make things right. 1 st guy to bone me on a knife deal.

I NEED HELP FROM BF ON THIS ONE. My name is Michael Elman, I live in. New Mexico.

SOCIAL SANCTIONING WOULD BE MUCH APPRECIATED. Also, be careful fellow collectors...this type of behavior is miles past uncool and insulting to every single person I have met on this great FORUM.

Tatev is his handle on the forums. Thanks in advance for reading this and taking any action.

Here is his e-mail if any one feels like making a personal comment to Tate:

tatevermeulen@gmail.com

 

[Morrow]

I sent him a link to this thread. Let's give him a chance to respond.

 

[Bigfatts]

Did you pay him through Paypal? If you did, file a claim immediately.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

Tate Vermeulen sent me a Sniper Bladeworks knife that he knew had issues. Messed up center screw, handles were chipped and the blade was not even sharp. I sent it back the same day for a refund. He then tried to stall a return and is now refusing to pay a REFUND.

He got the knife. He wasn't happy with it. He sent it back. PayPal is out of the picture.

 

[RevDevil]

Folks when you start a thread here, you need to inform the other person by sending them an email or amessage of some sort. Don't expect everyone else to do this for you.

 

[tatev]

I told this guy not to return the knife until I had his money. He then proceeded to return the knife immediately anyway and wrote me the first if many extremely rude, demanding emails. You may be a me to buy something from a dealer, decide its not for you and return it for an immediate refund. I am not a dealer and I told you from the beginning that I was only selling this knife to fund another one. If I for an instant believed there was really anything wrong with this knife that I somehow had not noticed, things would be different and I would have gone out of my way to secure funds for your refund much sooner. You don't have a legitimate reason for sending the knife back to me, however and you simply took this beautiful knife for a "test drive" and I resent that.
The pivot is not completely stripped and does still work. On top of that a new pivot screw is one phone call or email to SBW away.
The carbon fiber is done extremely well on this knife and the "flaking" you mentioned is on the inside of the scale on the very edge of one corner and is so small it's laughable that you would even notice it.
I don't know what method you use to judge sharpness, but if a knife will shave hair off my arm easily and push cut magazine paper I would say it's sharp. This knife still has the factory edge on it.
I don't know why I'm even wasting my time writing this because there is just no winning with angry, rude people like this. I will point out to you that draging my name through the mud, making unfounded claims of fraudulent activity through Paypal (which were found by PP to be unfounded an dismissed) and writing me negative feedback on this forum will not help me to get you your refund any faster...

 

[Ken44]

writing me negative feedback on this forum will not help me to get you your refund any faster...

IMO a seller shouldn't spend a cent of the money until he's knows the buyer got the knife and is happy with it.

When do you plan on issuing a refund ?

 

[MasterPisaster]

IMO a seller shouldn't spend a cent of the money until he's knows the buyer got the knife and is happy with it.

When do you plan on issuing a refund ?

I respectfully disagree. If the seller described the knife correctly and the buyer is having remorse over his purchase and nitpicks at things to claim it was "not as described" that's not cool. What's to stop members from checking out a knife and then deciding for whatever reason they don't like it and demanding a refund? Sounds like a case of buyers remorse. I'm sure we've all received knives we were hyped about and then it's disappointing in hand. Bottom line, if the knife was as described and delivered, the transaction is over. Anything past that is the sellers prerogative to decide if they want to issue refunds to unhappy buyers.

 

[Ken44]

Bottom line, if the knife was as described and delivered, the transaction is over. Anything past that is the sellers prerogative to decide if they want to issue refunds to unhappy buyers.

If the buyer isn't happy with the knife a refund is to be issued. That's a Blade Forum rule(or at least that's the way it has been done).

And you don't spend the money until you know the other party got the knife, and is happy with it.

 

[Virginmesa]

Thank you for the thoughtful reply. Nice to finally get word of your intentions Tate. You have ignored me for over a week. I am not sure why. 725 dollars is a lot of money and I have only been polite and a gentleman with you. No bad language or character assassinations. I am only making statements of fact regarding our transaction and not your intent or your character. If I speak/write anything that is not true, please correct me.

Glad to hear that your will be giving me a full refund, I was hoping it would be prompt and courteous as well. If my use of the words NOW and TODAY offends you then I am sorry. That is the extent of my rudeness. I want my money back.

I must correct you on a few key points. I returned the knife to your BEFORE reading your email because my test drive lasted all of 30 seconds. I spotted the obvious flaws right away, it does not matter if they are laughable big or small...the knife has issues that prevent me or another from enjoying the knife. I am not an attorney but by your own words you just said the knife had issues that you knew about...DUDE. I can overlook sharpness, but I told you before that stripped center pivots and "chipped scales" kill it for me or someone else down the line. It is not on me two call the maker, Lance Abernathy, who happens to be a dear friend, to get a part or screw for a knife sold a to me as "excellent" and "factory new".

I am not dragging your name in the mud. PP contacted you because you refused to respond to a refund request after you got your knife back...that is more than appropriate. At present you have your knife and my money in the same location. The FORUM rules are clear on how to conduct a proper sale that works for a buyer and seller. As soon as you pay me I will tell everyone you PAID me. You have blown me off for a week Tate, how am I supposed to respond?

 

[wjswiger]

Was the issue with the pivot disclosed in the sales thread?? I tried to look that up but the entire description was deleted....not sure why. The flaking of the scale appears to be minor, but if it bothers the buyer and it wasn't disclosed by the seller.....not sure that is buyers remorse. Overall, I agree the money from the sale shouldn't be spent before the buyer is satisfied....or at least the money should be in the bank to cover a possible refund....and if these issues identified by both the seller and buyer(at this point) weren't disclosed in the sales thread....well, I'd say the seller owes a refund. However, if these two issues were identified then I think it becomes an issue of buyers remorse.

 

[Bigfatts]

He got the knife. He wasn't happy with it. He sent it back. PayPal is out of the picture.

Hm, I was under the impression you could still file a claim under the 'item not as described' category even if the item was returned. I stand corrected. I guess it is true what they say about assuming...

Back to the point- I think that if the flaws were not disclosed in the original thread then buyer's remorse doesn't really come into it even if they are minor flaws. If I recieved a $700 knife that had undisclosed flaws I would be very upset and likely unable to enjoy the knife. I would definately ask for a refund and failing that I would likely sell it at a loss.

 

[rycen]

Virginmesa

Why havent you replied to the email I sent right you asked for help?

 

[Esav Benyamin]

A couple of points here.

You may be right about PayPal continuing to guarantee the transaction. I definitely approve the idea!

There is no Bladeforums rule that the deal is not done until both parties are happy. It is a widely understood policy, and ignoring it may make others leery of dealing with you. One way to bring it into the deal is to post "I'll take it ... with the right to an inspection period."

The original offer, like the asking price, may be deleted later. Be sure when you post you will take it to "Reply With Quote" to the offer, preserving it in your post where the seller can't change it.

 

[Morrow]

Hm, I was under the impression you could still file a claim under the 'item not as described' category even if the item was returned. I stand corrected. I guess it is true what they say about assuming...

Back to the point- I think that if the flaws were not disclosed in the original thread then buyer's remorse doesn't really come into it even if they are minor flaws. If I recieved a $700 knife that had undisclosed flaws I would be very upset and likely unable to enjoy the knife. I would definately ask for a refund and failing that I would likely sell it at a loss.

There was no mention of any flaws in the original thread. The knife was described as being in "like new condition."

 

[Bladenoobie1]

If there was a issue with the knife, no matter how small or insignificant, full disclosure must always been given. Its not for one to decide that because something doesn't seem like much of an issue, that another will share the same thoughts. Also if the pivot screw is so easy to attain, why didn't you get it prior to selling the knife instead of putting it on the buyer post sale.

Also I'm not sure why you returned the knife immediately upon receiving it Virginmesa. If you are truly unsatisfied you should of opened a claim on paypal describing your discrepancies while still holding on to the knife. The fact that tatev has your money and knife is on you.

 

[wjswiger]

If the two issues discussed above weren't disclosed during the original sales thread, I think the seller owes a refund....he agreed the pivot was in need of replacing.

There was no mention of any flaws in the original thread. The knife was described as being in "like new condition."

 

[Virginmesa]

Thank you very much for your IMMEDIATE help rycen, I sincerely appreciate you and the others who have gotten this issue in motion...thank you all very much. Everyone I have dealt with here has been STERLING. This FORUM is a special place to me and I have made some really cool friends here. I feel very lucky to be a part of the inner circle with all the outstanding folks here at BF

I do not test drive or joy ride other's knives/gear. I have sent back 2 knives in the whole time I have been buying/trading/selling knives, this is #2. Further, I value the time/money of others and do not ever play games with others funds. I have perfect 100% perfect 415 score on e-bay too if that matters at all here on the FORUM.

Being honest and putting the buyer first is just smart business and the way I like to be treated.

Genuinely appreciate many of the thoughtful right on target comments on this thread. As a real estate professional disclosure is KING to me. None of the issues with this knife were disclosed in any way shape or form...it was represented as being perfect, brand new and in "excellent" condition direct from the maker. Excellent condition in my book does not include, "The pivot is not completely stripped and does still work." The fact that Tate would even say this in open FORUM says it all.

Many thanks everyone...I hope to have this issue resolved shortly. The ball is in Tate's court at this point.

Michael Elman

Tate's behavior and response speak volumes. I do not need to make any commentary, he did it for me. The knife had known issues that were not disclosed. Over a week has gone by and I still have not gotten my money back--NOT COOL. Tate has been non-responsive and combative with me after I trusted him with 725 hard earned dollars. I was sold a knife with latent undisclosed defects and the seller is not valuing my time or money clearly. Thank you to everyone who has voiced an opinion. The majority opinion seems to be quite clear--a full/prompt/courteous refund are in order.

 

[RevDevil]

Here are the pictures from the sales thread:

It's hard to tell the knife is not as described based on the photos. However, there seems to be a need to modify some of the current exchange rules. The mods will have to discuss these matters with Spark, but I'm starting to feel it's a necesity after so many similar type threads popping up. No one likes more rules, especially when they end up costing us more time and energy to enforce, but at this point it's going to be a necessity I think.

 

[NCCNC]

I try to be as pessimistic as possible when describing a knife I have for sale or trade. I try to capure ANY AND ALL issues both through text and pictures. I always find it gratifying when the person gets the blade and is thrilled that is is much better than described. I never want to get the email that says that they are unhappy with the product or my discription. Just my .02.