Tate Vermeulen is not refunding my 725 dollars for a Sniper Bladeworks DMF

[FLymon]

It's hard to tell the knife is not as described based on the photos. However, there seems to be a need to modify some of the current exchange rules. The mods will have to discuss these matters with Spark, but I'm starting to feel it's a necesity after so many similar type threads popping up. No one likes more rules, especially when they end up costing us more time and energy to enforce, but at this point it's going to be a necessity I think.

Care to point out which ones you had in mind?

 

[RevDevil]

Care to point out which ones you had in mind?

No, I don't.

 

[FLymon]

No, I don't.

O well :grumpy:

 

[Virginmesa]

I have not received my REFUND yet.

No direct contact or timeline for a return of my funds. It has been almost 2 weeks now.

I really need my money back now please. This is gone past being silly.

Tate may I please have my money back now? I can not imagine you would like to be treated this way.

Thanks in advance,

Michael Elman

 

[Marko3]

I just want to throw this out there... I don't think the man has your money at this time. At least that is what I took from his post.

You mentioned that you knew the maker of this knife well. And even if you didn't maybe you could ask to get the knife shipped back to you and get it fixed. Then you could turn around and sell it and just disclose it has been repaired. Or you could keep it. It looks like a fine knife maybe then you could just keep it like you intended in the first place.

 

[ooitzoo]

If there was a issue with the knife, no matter how small or insignificant, full disclosure must always been given. Its not for one to decide that because something doesn't seem like much of an issue, that another will share the same thoughts. Also if the pivot screw is so easy to attain, why didn't you get it prior to selling the knife instead of putting it on the buyer post sale.

Also I'm not sure why you returned the knife immediately upon receiving it Virginmesa. If you are truly unsatisfied you should of opened a claim on paypal describing your discrepancies while still holding on to the knife. The fact that tatev has your money and knife is on you.

While broadly I agree. There is an issue of reasonableness here. In other words, could the seller have known about the flaw or issue?

For example, selling something as new with a chipped blade is not kosher.

But, selling something as new that, with a thorough inspection, appears new and not knowing that theres a 1mm scratch on the inside of a scale near the backspacer, is different.

Also, I am getting the sense that the seller is suggesting that the buyer bought the knife with the intention of returning it only to get to use it for some time.

 

[Ken44]

I have not received my REFUND yet.

No direct contact or timeline for a return of my funds. It has been almost 2 weeks now.

I really need my money back now please. This is gone past being silly.

Tate may I please have my money back now? I can not imagine you would like to be treated this way.

Thanks in advance,

Michael Elman

Wow. I'm very sorry to hear this. He could at least let you know when he can get you the money, and it needs to be soon.

I guess people do it, but I have a hard time believing someone would spend $700 for a knife when thats all the money they have. Maybe he is broke, but he should not have spent a cent of your money until he knew you had the knife and were happy with it.

Keep us updated please.

Also, I am getting the sense that the seller is suggesting that the buyer bought the knife with the intention of returning it only to get to use it for some time.

He would be wrong to suggest that. The buyer only had it out for 30 seconds.
The knife was not described properly.

 

[SidTheMuss]

just my honest opinion but i do not see $700 value in this knife, but i'm not a true "collector" either...i do feel the seller should refund the money right away

 

[TechExec]

The pivot is not completely stripped and does still work.

As written this looks like you knew the pivot was a problem. If so, this was a shady deal since you didn't disclose it in the sale description. :thumbdn:

Give the buyer his money back and spend some time thinking about ethics.

 

[Karda]

Sale was not described accurately or honestly.

Tatev has until noon this coming Friday to issue a refund.

Please post if/when refund is issued/received.

 

[egally08]

As written this looks like you knew the pivot was a problem. If so, this was a shady deal since you didn't disclose it in the sale description. :thumbdn:

Give the buyer his money back and spend some time thinking about ethics.

He could of discovered the pivot problem after the buyer brought it to his attention.

If this is the case, what is to say the buyer did not strip the pivot?

I would like to hear from tatev about when he found out about the pivot. If he knew prior to sending it, then he needs to find a way to refund his money. Even if he does not have the cash in PP, if he pressed "refund payment" they should deduct it out of his account, and he can pay PP back when he can.

 

[benchwarmer380]

I told this guy not to return the knife until I had his money. He then proceeded to return the knife immediately anyway and wrote me the first if many extremely rude, demanding emails. You may be a me to buy something from a dealer, decide its not for you and return it for an immediate refund. I am not a dealer and I told you from the beginning that I was only selling this knife to fund another one. If I for an instant believed there was really anything wrong with this knife that I somehow had not noticed, things would be different and I would have gone out of my way to secure funds for your refund much sooner. You don't have a legitimate reason for sending the knife back to me, however and you simply took this beautiful knife for a "test drive" and I resent that.
The pivot is not completely stripped and does still work. On top of that a new pivot screw is one phone call or email to SBW away.
The carbon fiber is done extremely well on this knife and the "flaking" you mentioned is on the inside of the scale on the very edge of one corner and is so small it's laughable that you would even notice it.
I don't know what method you use to judge sharpness, but if a knife will shave hair off my arm easily and push cut magazine paper I would say it's sharp. This knife still has the factory edge on it.
I don't know why I'm even wasting my time writing this because there is just no winning with angry, rude people like this. I will point out to you that draging my name through the mud, making unfounded claims of fraudulent activity through Paypal (which were found by PP to be unfounded an dismissed) and writing me negative feedback on this forum will not help me to get you your refund any faster...

He could of discovered the pivot problem after the buyer brought it to his attention.

If this is the case, what is to say the buyer did not strip the pivot?

I would like to hear from tatev about when he found out about the pivot. If he knew prior to sending it, then he needs to find a way to refund his money. Even if he does not have the cash in PP, if he pressed "refund payment" they should deduct it out of his account, and he can pay PP back when he can.

If a buyer stripped a screw on a knife I sold them and then sent it back to me I would have stated that clearly.

 

[SaintlyBrees]

If a buyer stripped a screw on a knife I sold them and then sent it back to me I would have stated that clearly.

Exactly. That would be a common sense post to make. A person who sent out a knife with no issue with the pivot screw would say something like, "The pivot screw was stripped when I got it back. It was not stripped when I sent it out." Stating instead, "The pivot is not completely stripped and does still work. On top of that a new pivot screw is one phone call or email to SBW away" is quite a different reply with a very specific meaning and implication.

How people say what they say is important. In this case the meaning is also self-evident.

JMO.

Edit:
Also, lets not forget that the seller now has BOTH the knife AND the money.

 

[Ken44]

Sale was not described accurately or honestly.

Tatev has until noon this coming Friday to issue a refund.

Please post if/when refund is issued/received.

Thanks Karda. Hopefully that will be the incentive he needs to get this man his money back.

 

[ooitzoo]

He would be wrong to suggest that. The buyer only had it out for 30 seconds.
The knife was not described properly.

That's a question on your frame of reference. Imagine if this was the case then how would you feel. That said, it does appear to be a case of not being described correctly.

just my honest opinion but i do not see $700 value in this knife, but i'm not a true "collector" either...i do feel the seller should refund the money right away

This is more or less irrelevant. You're not party to the trade.

If a buyer stripped a screw on a knife I sold them and then sent it back to me I would have stated that clearly.

Yep. Common sense as someone else stated. I mean...why would you wait to mention something like that.

Sale was not described accurately or honestly.

Tatev has until noon this coming Friday to issue a refund.

Please post if/when refund is issued/received.

Think this is the right answer.

 

[FLymon]

Exactly. That would be a common sense post to make. A person who sent out a knife with no issue with the pivot screw would say something like, "The pivot screw was stripped when I got it back. It was not stripped when I sent it out." Stating instead, "The pivot is not completely stripped and does still work. On top of that a new pivot screw is one phone call or email to SBW away" is quite a different reply with a very specific meaning and implication.

How people say what they say is important. In this case the meaning is also self-evident.

JMO.

Edit:
Also, lets not forget that the seller now has BOTH the knife AND the money.

Consider this my opinion too, well said.

 

[Virginmesa]

STILL NO REFUND from TATE VERMEULEN. I have even reached to him via personal e-mail with no reply.

Very sad situation and I deeply appreciate all the help, advice, comments and commentary surrounding this "bad faith" transaction. Many insightful comments...THANK YOU ALL. Also I feel we all see quite clearly that Tate does not play well with others. Again, I appreciate all of your time individually and collectively. Time is valuable and I do not like it when someone wastes my time and energy.

I have only been polite with Tate and I am not going to be rude or nasty. I will simply wait until noon on Friday and I will have my funds and be done with Tate or I will contact the Police in Mishawaka Indiana and report him for felony "mail fraud' and "theft by deception". Further, I will contact the postal inspector to get them involved as well. I may need one of you guys to be a witness if that would be alright? Since the value of goods in question is over 650, the MAGIC state/federal line is crossed on making this a criminal offense. That is going to one EXPENSIVE knife...WOW. All of this can go away with a phone call or a few mouse clicks too...

Just to add some clarity, none of the issues with this knife were disclosed in any way shape or form. I DID NOT use any tools on this knife, take it apart or try to tighten it or take it for a test run or a lunch date, I do not do that, I am a serious mature adult knife collector and the SBW gang (Lance, Herb and Sam and others) are dear friends, in my book they are celebrities/mentors.

The center pivot was totally stripped out when I got the knife and the handles were chipped. Any one of us would have sent this knife back in 30 seconds for a refund because the knife had issue that prevented me from enjoying the knife or selling it to another, but moreover these defects were not disclosed...Tate knows all this for a fact, he even put in writing for all of us to see. I do not really need to say anything more.

I will post another update on Friday at 12:00 Central time. Hopefully this will be settled by then, thanks to all of you!!!

Warmest regards and thanks again everyone!!!

Michael Elman

 

[SSonnentag]

I always take detailed pictures of the knives I sell, just before they get packed up and mailed. I then take a picture of the box ready to be shipped. This is recommended for any high-dollar item you're shipping.

If you receive an item that you are not satisfied with, you should also take detailed photographs of the item you received before you ship it back. This way there is some sort of evidence to support your decision to return the item. If you receive a package that look damaged, always photograph it before opening as well. You may need this if an insurance claim is in order.

 

[Ken44]

Thanks for the update Michael.

Hopefully he is working on having your money by Friday.
His lack of responce to you, and this thread, about when he will pay you doesn't look good.
Good luck, and let us know Friday.

 

[SidTheMuss]

While broadly I agree. There is an issue of reasonableness here. In other words, could the seller have known about the flaw or issue?

For example, selling something as new with a chipped blade is not kosher.

But, selling something as new that, with a thorough inspection, appears new and not knowing that theres a 1mm scratch on the inside of a scale near the backspacer, is different.

Also, I am getting the sense that the seller is suggesting that the buyer bought the knife with the intention of returning it only to get to use it for some time.

This is more or less irrelevant. You're not party to the trade.