Teaching dying skills?

TF, very neat to see an actual philosopher on here.

I don't believe we can ever recapture the knowledge lost due to mechanization and computerization because those skills require practice to remain proficient with. Cabinet-making, for example, is a true art, but woodworkers can only make so many pieces before their houses are filled to the brim. Even if they give stuff away as gifts, there is only so much a hobbyist can do and learn. Therefore, the skills they acquire are proportionate to the years they have been working at that craft.

You say that you've learned "Leather making, wood working, wood and bone carving", but did you master any of those crafts? Using the school system as a reference, are you in first grade or a senior as far as your skill level goes? Have you moved on to your post-secondary education in any of those skills?

You want a mentor, but there are countless schools across the country that teach these skills and are looking for students that are willing to pay for that knowledge. If they don't have customers, the masters that have been studying those skills for decades can't progress. It is the fact that they are able to make a living at doing these skills that allows them to really learn the ins and outs of it. Without paying students, however, they have to fall back to the hobbyist level and simply tinker at it as their jobs and lives allow.

Don't think I'm attacking you. I'm in the same boat and have thousands of things I'd like to learn and experience. I just don't see how a group getting together every month can realistically teach skills that are more than basic. Who's going to open their hobby machine shop to a dozen people so they can learn the basics of turning and milling metal? Who's paying for the electricity, metal, wear on parts, etc? Or, is that too advanced a subject?

If you fall back to basic blacksmithing, one of my favorite hobbies, you still have a bunch of idiots wanting to learn to make knives and swords running around your property burning up fuel, metal and time. Who wants that? Who is set up for that? What makes them better, as a hobby smith, than a professional that teaches at a school? Is it just that they are closer to you? Cheaper? Easier to access?

Or, is it that most folks don't want to spend the time and money to seriously study a particular skill? Everyone I know says they would love to come over and smith with me for a while and, funnily enough, they never mention helping with the bills to cover the costs.

Is it better to be a Jack-of-All-Trades or a Master-of-One?
 
I have always been drawn to skills by need... not "necessity" per se... mostly fueled by desire.

It used to be that many of these "survival" skills folks like us play with today, were just part of everyday life. Math and the sciences may be the last thing on a woodsman's mind but it has brought us a long way. It may seem more sustainable and romantic to live in a primitive way but for few reasons other than religion, folks take advantage of modern technology whenever possible. I played in the bush my whole life and trained for over a decade with a few wilderness skills mentors. The last gentleman I was fortunate to train under got me as close to true survival as one could get. Tell you what.... IT SUCKS! Several times, I swore to never go back.... a few months later, I was at it again.

Most of us are not at the level of "thrivival" yet. Maybe someone like Milesofalaska is... I envy him. I think it's important to pass on ancient/traditional skills but I don't think we are going to be spun into a world void of technology, where people are forced to flee the cities and move into the woods to live off the land. Electricity is here to stay.
 
I think the whole issue is a bit overstated. People are intelligent, inventive, adaptive, and creative. If someone, specifically referring to affluent urban residents who are sometimes the butt of outdoor survival topics, can thrive in such a competitive and intense environment as modern business, they will be fine for a few days in the woods.

Sure, they might not be as comfortable initially as someone who's been doing it for years, but most people are perfectly capable of figuring out the basics eventually.

Besides, I would guess that affluent suburbanites are loaded with gear. ;)

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Hope this wasn't an inappropriate location for this semi-rant. It's been on my mind a while...

A lot of truth here. I came to this forum out of casual interest. Basicly one hobby among many. I have gathered some good real world information\skills from this site and I appreciate the passed on knowledge, which I pick and choose from. And there is no way that I want to hide from the world out in the bush, wearing bark clothes. I enjoy my full cable plus package, bar-b-q's and hot showers too much. Maybe dying skills are just that, for a reason. The old Fur Traders used flint\steel\char cloth because it was more efficient than a friction fire, or carrying a basket of coals, as in the past. And basicly every native house in the far north has a satellite dish, cell phones, and gaming consoles now. I blend whatever makes sense in the world that I live in at this moment with my outdoor interests\possible needs. With the situational awareness\foresight that anything mechanical can break down. I am also of the view that there are good rational people out there that will band in a catastrophe. I feel that the glass is half full.
 
TF, very neat to see an actual philosopher on here.

You say that you've learned "Leather making, wood working, wood and bone carving", but did you master any of those crafts? Using the school system as a reference, are you in first grade or a senior as far as your skill level goes? Have you moved on to your post-secondary education in any of those skills?

Don't think I'm attacking you. I'm in the same boat and have thousands of things I'd like to learn and experience. I just don't see how a group getting together every month can realistically teach skills that are more than basic. Who's going to open their hobby machine shop to a dozen people so they can learn the basics of turning and milling metal? Who's paying for the electricity, metal, wear on parts, etc? Or, is that too advanced a subject?

Is it better to be a Jack-of-All-Trades or a Master-of-One?

Vaughn - thanks for taking the time. I really appreciate it. Your post has me thinking a lot. I likely need more time to process it - which tells me there is more than just a kernel of truth in your questions.

I would say I am in about 3rd grade on the woodworking, kindergarden on the bone carving, and maybe middle school on the leather working. But you are very right in noting how I treat these skills. They are hobbies and passions of mine - but not essential to my living.

The last gentleman I was fortunate to train under got me as close to true survival as one could get. Tell you what.... IT SUCKS! Several times, I swore to never go back.... a few months later, I was at it again.

Rick - makes me wonder if your 'passion' isn't something of an obsession. I have read many authors who hiked the AT or the PCT and some said that they didn't hike it because they wanted to - but because they HAD to.

I remember when I made the comment that I had 'mastered' the bow drill. You were right to call me out on using that word too lightly. I am not sure if that skill can ever be mastered in terms of constant success. It just seems you get a greater and greater respect for the process.

Most times, however, I can only thank the God's that I own a Wildertool's Bushtool - which essentially makes survival unnecessary.

TF
 
I think that guys grossly underestimate the underpinnings of even 18th century "technology and tools. How to get the iron ore and the coal and the water to make your smithing anvil? how get the anvil to where you want to make horseshoes? :-) you need coal or coal, or at least charcoal if you want to forge steel. you need nails and screws to make a bellows If you can drag all that stuff in to your chosen area, why not just instead bring the tools that you'd make with the forge? :-) We now know to mulch around plants, instead of cultivating, because the mulch adds fertility to the soil retains moisture, stops weed growth. If you add the mulch early enough before your planned season, it will soften the earth enough that you need not plow before planting. So some of the things that 1800's time frame people are unnecessary because of what we now know.
 
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