Tell me about Damasteel...

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From what I understand, Damasteel is the user's version of damascus. RWL-34 and some other low carbon, high chromium powder steel turned... into more powder? And then that makes Damasteel? I don't entirely understand the process... but I've read it is VERY similar to CPM-154 in this form? I just aquired my first Damasteel folder (Reate J.A.C.K.) and I would like to learn. I don't actually plan on using it. I'm just curious. I've found a couple other threads, but they aren't super informative.
 
Think of it as spraying powdered steel with the precision of CNC. That's why the patterns are so perfect.
I'm not sure that's correct? My understanding was that it is two PM steels that are then manipulated like regular pattern welding...
 
They're very secretive but that's my theory.
 
The pattern is revealed when acid etched. Not ground.
Negative. The pattern is enhanced when etched, but grinding through the layers reveals them. My wife's Rike Hummingbird has a visible pattern with no etching...perfectly smooth Damasteel.

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I have used Damasteel many times to make knives. I do not know how their steel is made but I can say that it makes excellent knives that excel at slicing. Sharpness is a relative thing and certainly hard to define but I think some of the sharpest "feeling" knives I have ever made are out of Damasteel or Devin Thomas's stainless damascus.

I can tell ya when ground and prior to etching, Damasteel looks just like this blade:

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If ya squint hard enough and hold your head just right and the light is hitting it just right ya can make out the pattern. Damasteel, like other damascus when used in a knife has been etched. You simply won't see the pattern otherwise. The blade above in my pic, is not Damasteel, its a high carbon damascus but ya get the idea. In above, out of the ferric chloride below:

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Like WValtakis states there often is no topography on Damasteel. This is true with other stainless damascus steels I've used as well. They simply etch differently than high carbon damascus. Even with high carbon you often will etch 2, 3 or more times to get topography and this can be done with stainless dammys as well.

Damasteel Sonoran Camp Knife:

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Damasteel Poco:

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Damasteel El Toros:

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None of these had topography but all have certainly been etched.

Damasteel engraved Rodeo:

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This one did have some topography.

Anyhoo, its spendy, but a great steel for making knives, very, very, sharp and slicey knives.

As far as a using steel, any quality damascus works there, so I'm not sure what is meant by that. The Rodeo above belongs to a working horseman and the others pictured above have hunted the world.

Regular plain jane high carbon damascus can and certainly does work. I've made and sold many, many knives to working cowboys made from high carbon damascus and these knives are used and used hard:

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I play in powder metallurgy, not steel, but working with metal, being a knife guy, and thinking Damasteel is pretty darned beautiful, I did spend some time trying to find patents on it just to understand what is happening. Even then you have to be careful as patents are purposefully written to have broad ranges and multiple possible methods and such.

I don't know exactly what they do but it starts with atomizing the metals used. They melt them and drip tiny drops through some inert spray, probably nitrogen or argon. This I'm guessing instantly cools the drops into very uniformed, dense, and repeatable powder particles. I would guess that each batch of individual metal powder is sieved but then they are layered into a canister.

This is where it gets pretty gray for me because it is hard for me to visualize how they get the precise patterns. Because as I understand it, they seal the canister and put it through a HIPing step. HIP = Hot Isostatic Processing. It's a fancy term for putting a vessel into a vacuum chamber and applying heat and pressure (usually provided by gas not mechanical force). Vacuum Hot Processing is generally mechanical force and I might have a slightly easier time understanding that, but I remember reading they HIP the can.

Anyways, the HIP run would bring the powders just below their molten state. Molten in a HIP or VHP chamber is not good but they have to be "fluid" enough to flow and combine.

I'm guessing the patterns are produced from a combination of how they layer them and then, as someone mentioned, some mechanical processing thereafter.

It's pretty amazing stuff at work for sure. Powder metallurgy is nothing new, but what they are doing is very cool.

Perhaps Larrin Larrin could shed some more light.
 
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