Tell me about Schatt & Morgan

GEC has spoiled us with good quality, but Queen still has some of the most beautiful knives I've seen. If Queen can get the fit and finish to match, they will be a formidable manufacturer. I've been lucky enough to meet Ryan and his wife, they are good people, but they aren't in this for a lark. They have lots of ideas, and are the best bet this company has. The only reason I am still looking forward to buying new product is their zeal for where they can take this company.

I hope they do start exploring the options of bringing the Heritage series back. I was told it was poor heat treat of the springs, they were too soft, by someone from the Queen collectors club.
 
Contrary to others, I have had great luck with the keystone knives and less so with the file and wire series, although I think all of my S&M were good value for my money.

First this mornings snapshot:
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My keystone cattle knife takes a very fine edge that stays appreciably sharp for my uses, great walk and talk, fit is great and is a fine user.

The keystone Muskrat (2008) is with me today. Beautiful rich burnt red bone, great blade choices, and has been fairly easy to touch up blades due in part to the 420 steel. Small liner:spring gap on the wharncliffe blade, but only noticeable when looking through the frame at a light. The blades were a mixture, the sharpest and dullest blades found in a 9 knife purchase, but the same existed in a GEC from the same batch, and none of the knives in the batch really were that sharp out if the box.

The red File and Wire is the best example of the type that I have. Great fit/finish, walk and talk. Both blades ground well, with thin working edges. The best part is the knife came to me clean!! Easy in the pocket, and I don't mind the busy bolsters.

The Barlow I like- solid snap, hand filling, the grooves seem like they will give great purchase when dirty/wet. I like the small clip blade that really isn't! The ATS is a bit of a bug to sharpen out in the big blade, but wasn't too bad. The worst part was the metal shavings trapped in the liner, and how dirty the pivots were. Price I thought was very fair, considering size and steel, but wished it was constructed more cleanly, the metal fragments were loose inside the handle, as though it was assembled and then finish ground, forcing the shards to be trapped.

The toothpick was even worse in regards to edge touch up and metal filings. However once cleaned and sharpened it us a nice knife that is worth the money. Thin and easier carrying than you would think, the lighter pull still lends confidence to quality, and due to size and thinness is a good slicer so far. On both of the worm groove knives there is no excess motion at the pivot, so my issues were more one of housekeeping on the knife than construction issues.

I'm pretty sure it will the hard for a company to push GEC from my number one spot, but I have no problem with S&M for working knives, at least with what I have and Knifeswapper as a vendor to trust!
 
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I love S&M's. They have a classic old world look that seems to be lacking in a lot of other traditionals.

Yes sir. If I'm going to carry an old-timey knife, I want it to have a classic look. That's why my money goes to Queen and GEC. They're the only production slipjoint makers that offer knives that look like something from 100 years ago.

When I got back into knives maybe 10 years ago, S&M were kind of the pinnacle and only the very hard core would purchase one as a user due to the cost and beauty I guess. I may be wrong, but I had the definite impression that most S&Ms were safe queens. You sure didn't see any with patina or, more appropriately, scratches on the Exchange.

Here are a couple of users.



- Christian
 
Christian I've got the same exact knife, except mine is rosewood, not ebony (looks like ebony though). I still like yours better. Nice even patina!
 
My avatar knife is a F&W series III English Jack, which I had Don Hanson III modify for me, turning the spear into a Wharncliffe.

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The W&T (buttery 6+ pulls) and F&F are close to perfect on this one, and it sees lots of use in the kitchen and around the house. The quality SS is a big plus.
I used it to debone and clean up 60 lbs. of venison last fall, and it still looks new. I have a belt holster to fit it if I want to take it out "on the town."
 
Thanks Dan. When I sharpened that knife I scratched up the blade some. So I gave it an accelerated patina. The horror!!! :eek:

- Christian
 
I need to take pics, I was able to produce a really nice patina on my stockman. It looks like it's a hundred years old! The two jacks look okay, but not as nice as yours.
 
My avatar knife is a F&W series III English Jack, which I had Don Hanson III modify for me, turning the spear into a Wharncliffe.

Wow dude, that is like getting Chip Foose to fix a ding in your fender!;)

Beautiful knife………..:thumbup:
 
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Hi all, my first real post in here. But I've been doing a lot of reading in this forum for a little while now.

I've been wanting to try something in the "undauntable" cattle knife pattern so I gave this a go.

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Well, it's going back. Too many drawbacks for me for the price. Some of these have been written about before; too bad I didn't catch them until after I received this one and dug in harder on the research. The action is unique. Hard pull for the initial open. Really spongy and soft around the half stop. Harder pull to fully open. The edges on the spear and sheepsfoot need some work. Not such a big deal. The edge on the pen blade looks like they stopped sharpening about halfway through. One side looks as if it was barely touched.

Then there's this; the sheepsfoot nail pull being covered by the spear. I couldn't see it in the stock photos because the blades are open. Maybe this just happens sometimes with some patterns. But I keep my nails pretty trimmed and this doesn't work for me. And I don't want to have to open the main blade just to open the sheepsfoot.

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Anyway, I'm sure some people can get over these, and for them it might make a good user. But for me, for the price, I'd rather not be bothered.

Now the question is this. I've also been eyeballing these single blade jacks. They look great and I like that they are 3 3/4". But is the action the same as described above? If yes, then I'll probably just pass and stick to other makers.


Thanks,

Kris
 
My single spear has a nice, easy pull. Walk-and-talk is excellent.

- Christian
 
My wife just bought me a S & M File & Wire for my birthday. It looks to be a single blade spear point trapper with stag handles. It's a beautiful knife until you pull on the blade to open it. The pull is extremely weak and mushy at the top end, the blade and the whole end of the knife wiggles if worked back and forth and also the D2 blade is flimsy. The stag scales are beautiful . I thought it might be comparable to a GEC but it's not even in the same ballpark. This is the most expensive and the JUNKIEST knife I've ever owned.....what a shame!
 
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