Temperance and Mora x-ray-

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Temperance and Mora x-ray-
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SIRGALANT said:
damn thats put me off wanting a temperance looking at that tang
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Yes, it is quite interesting that Cold Steel SRK was heavily flamed for not having curved transitions between blade and tang therefore acting as a stress riser. (and SRK is carbon steel, wheter this is stainless - and we all know that SS is more brittle than carbon steel, don't we?) and here nobody says anything...
 
I used the search function to check out the Temperance before I bought one. I did this in several forums and no one complained of a Temp breaking. I have full faith in Spyderco's designs. I have dozens of Spydies and not one has failed because of a design problem.
 
I don't see the square corners becoming a problem unless you plan to use it for an axe, an event which (for me) would be far more likely to occur with the SRK than the Temperance. But then, I never flamed the SRK either. In my opinion, the two knives are different enough that comparisons between them mean very little.
 
edrose said:
I think the injection molded FRN handle is so robust that this lenght of the tang is far enough.
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The FRN handle of the Temperance should be much stronger and more durable than the Mora's handle, which I'm 98% sure is polypropylene.
 
I am suprised by the shortness of both tangs, but not concerned. I have used SWAK mora like the above for some pretty serious use. Jim Aston has heavily batoned mora knives. I really don't see cause for any concern, especially with this class of knife.
 
That's true, even Mora's aren't known for losing blades, although their handles are less robust than FRN (Dog of War, you're right, it's polypropylene).
 
The square corners are actually slightly rounded, eliminating most of the stress riser problem. Small fillets make a big difference.
 
huugh said:
Yes, it is quite interesting that Cold Steel SRK was heavily flamed for not having curved transitions between blade and tang therefore acting as a stress riser. (and SRK is carbon steel, wheter this is stainless - and we all know that SS is more brittle than carbon steel, don't we?) and here nobody says anything...
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Right! IMO the Temperance blade is too strong for a knife with such a semi-tang. A fact that nobody broke a knife does not mean it is safe. Majority of people here at forum use a Temperance in the kitchen.
Clearly with a full tang Temperance would be much stronger, in the class of small, but reliable survival/outdoor knives.
It is frustrating that, e. g., a Wusthof forged knife has a full tang, slabs, flat grind, etc. For a kitchen!
If you believe I were wrong just ask a question: why a new Perrin Streat beat has a FULL tang. At least a prototype (doesn't matter if it is tepered).
In spite of that, a Temp is a very good medium utility knife - it is simply not as strong as an excellent survival knife should be.

Franco

P. S. A problem with a radius is even worse. However, I think a problem you mention was with Cold Steel Recon Scout, not with a SRK.
 
Kako ide?

Odlicno, neko koje je iz Balkana je tu :).

Nadam se da to je ispravno. Kraj treninga je bio u Svibnju. Nemam priliku korisititi jezik.

english speakers, disregard. I'm just working out the cobwebs. ;)

Lot of partial tang knives work just fine. I don't think the Temperance is considered a heavy user.
 
The tang isn't too short by any means, and it looks to be anchored in the handle in a solid manner.

But I can't say I like the look of the tang-handle junction. The dense handle will give considerable support for vertical stress. But enough lateral stress could prove fatal. It's probably not a concern in any ordinary light-to-medium cutting work, but to me it seems like a design not thought through - if I may be bold enough to say so. I do think the overall shape and design of the Temperance are excellent.
 
Okay what am I missing? None of my knife needs would come close to breaking the Temp. What are you guys doing that would break a thick piece of steel like the Temp's tang?
 
redhawk44p said:
What are you guys doing that would break a thick piece of steel like the Temp's tang?
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Most probably nothing, but it's sort of a little blemish you can't unsee.
Always looking for the perfect knife makes one an elitist with details.
Difficultatem facit doctrina.
 
redhawk44p said:
Okay what am I missing? None of my knife needs would come close to breaking the Temp. What are you guys doing that would break a thick piece of steel like the Temp's tang?
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Heck in the past I do believe Sal stated he would personally fly to wherever a person is who actually breaks the Temp doing actual knife work. I should scamper about the yard slicing, chopping, and cutting hoping it would break. It would be fun to actually meet the man. Having a Temperance actually break though is about as likely as finding the Golden Ticket to Willie Wonka's Chocolate Factory...maybe even less likely. :D
 
Way-O said:
Most probably nothing, but it's sort of a little blemish you can't unsee.
Always looking for the perfect knife makes one an elitist with details.
Difficultatem facit doctrina.
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This comment (Difficultatem facit doctrina) is slightly offending. If you really think that so many excellent companies (Busse, Strider, Fallkniven, SOG, Buck-Strider, Boeker, etc.) are making a full tang not because necesse est but with th intention dificultatem facere, you are, IMO, wrong.

My point is that Temperance is not a very sturdy survival/outdoors knife, but an excellent medium outdoors/kitchen knife.
For your convenience, compare, e. g., a Temperance to the Fallkniven F1.

Franco
 
Redhawk,

Thanks for the X-rays. Very illuminating.

How were you able to get the X-rays?

Thanks,

--SAK
 
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