Temperance and Mora x-ray-

I have 3 temps working on 4 before there gone. I have used it in the yard and my wood shop. It preforms perfect in all cases. It chopped a 3/4 inch vine with 1 clean swipe. I have had many spydercos and still have quit a few. like the manix series and native. the only thing on a spyder that has ever failed me is the pocket clip do to my catching it on things i'm very active and tend to get in some tight spots. If sal says it won't fail under normal knife use than how much more from the so called horses mouth can it be he's done test to it we can't dream of trying. not to mention he trust his life to it when out enjoying the beautiful moutains. You know knife failure is not on his mind. If you think it is breakable then do it and tell sal see what he say. he may not post much but he's aways watching.:cool:
 
If sal says it won't fail under normal knife use ...
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This is precisely a point: UNDER NORMAL USE. Under extreme conditions (survival) one may need more. Nobody says anything against Sal's claim - but Sal never said Temp is for extreme duties.

Again, eastr77, are the guys who make knives with full tang stupid? Even very sturdy knives, like a CS Recon Scout, can broke as was discussed in a famous thread. It is precisely a blade-tang which is very sensitive, especially if it is not radiused (a correct expression?).

I am really a big fan of Spyderco; my text is not a badmouthing.
 
SAK said:
Redhawk,

Thanks for the X-rays. Very illuminating.

How were you able to get the X-rays?

Thanks,

--SAK
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I got the x ray from EastR.
I may not be able to slay dragons and drop mighty redwoods with one blow but the Temp is plenty tough for my knife needs. To each his own I say.:D :thumbup:
 
The Temperance was designed for cutting and piercing. Not for hammering or prying.

We made it with an FRN handle to keep the cost down. The package wasn't popular, but there's little out there in production that will cut and pierce alongside of it.

I do have a design for a full tang version with hand formed scales. Haven't decided to go with it yet.

Hi Eastr77.

Welcome to the Spyderco forum.

sal
 
Thank you sal your the greatist letting those guys you your on top of what your knife capable of. SPYDERCO RULES!!!!:cool:
 
Sal Glesser said:
I do have a design for a full tang version with hand formed scales. Haven't decided to go with it yet.
sal
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That could be a cool knife but if you make it stronger you will be accused of making a sharpened prybar. It must be mind boggling to come up with a knife design everyone likes.
I say thanks for the Temp. It really fills a niche in my knife needs. It is perfect for my kayaking trips.
 
Franco G said:
This comment (Difficultatem facit doctrina) is slightly offending. If you really think that so many excellent companies (Busse, Strider, Fallkniven, SOG, Buck-Strider, Boeker, etc.) are making a full tang not because necesse est but with th intention dificultatem facere, you are, IMO, wrong.
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This was not at all what I was getting at. I was trying to make a lighthearted remark on how knife collecting can make one perhaps overly demanding when it comes to the details of construction of a particular knife.Perhaps the context wasn't as clear as I thought.

But I also don't believe that a full tang is always essential. In this this case I think the only problem is that the tang and blade meet at an angle instead of an arc, creating a stress point/line. (other than that, I hold the design in very high regard, as I said in my first post in this thread) This is also seen e.g. in many Strider and Fällkniven knives where the guard meets the ricasso.

My point is that Temperance is not a very sturdy survival/outdoors knife, but an excellent medium outdoors/kitchen knife.
For your convenience, compare, e. g., a Temperance to the Fallkniven F1.

Franco
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Sure, the Temperance isn't the most sturdiest of 'survival' knives - but then again Fällkniven's warranty doesn't cover "twisting, bending, chopping or hitting" either.

If I was in a situation where my life was depending on a knife, I certainly would try to avoid pushing the tool to it's limits. It's not hard to fabricate other simple tools for prying, wedging etc - with your knife.
 
Hi redhawk, any chance getting some fallknivens x-rayed? I've been long wondering how long the tang goes under their rubber handles.
 
Sal Glesser said:
The Temperance was designed for cutting and piercing. Not for hammering or prying.

We made it with an FRN handle to keep the cost down. The package wasn't popular, but there's little out there in production that will cut and pierce alongside of it.

I do have a design for a full tang version with hand formed scales. Haven't decided to go with it yet.

Hi Eastr77.

Welcome to the Spyderco forum.

sal
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Sal, if you make this in H1 with SE it would be the perfect diving knife for me:D

If I thought vg-10 could survive living in salt water I'd have a SE Temperence on my drysuit right now.

Sverre
 
May I ask how many of you own single piece stag handled knives?
You know, the hidden-tang variety where the stag is a crown or a carver or a stick.
If you x-rayed those you may well find that what you see is similar to the tang on the Temperance. Full tangs have their place and partial tangs have their place also. As Sal stated:

The Temperance was designed for cutting and piercing. Not for hammering or prying.
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Different knives fill different roles.

And, just for grins, look at ALL of the survival experts who heartily recommend the Mora.
 
NoFair said:
Sal, if you make this in H1 with SE it would be the perfect diving knife for me:D

If I thought vg-10 could survive living in salt water I'd have a SE Temperence on my drysuit right now.

Sverre
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:eek: Holy crap!! Battling krakens in the fjords are ye, man??? :D

She is a grippy devil. The blade is a bit oversized for my use as a dive knife and I prefer the blunt tip for small leveraging work. Interesting idea though.

I was a little bit shocked on first seeing the x-rays considering the wilderness abuse I've put my two Temps through. After contemplation, now I'm even more impressed with them. I would be interested in a full tanged version but I'm still quite pleased with my "camp/kitchen" companions. Starting to wonder how my other camper, the SOG Seal, looks under Roentgen's rays.

Thanks for the skeletal shots, Redhawk! :thumbup:



J
 
java said:
:eek: Holy crap!! Battling krakens in the fjords are ye, man??? :D

She is a grippy devil. The blade is a bit oversized for my use as a dive knife and I prefer the blunt tip for small leveraging work. Interesting idea though.

I was a little bit shocked on first seeing the x-rays considering the wilderness abuse I've put my two Temps through. After contemplation, now I'm even more impressed with them. I would be interested in a full tanged version but I'm still quite pleased with my "camp/kitchen" companions. Starting to wonder how my other camper, the SOG Seal, looks under Roentgen's rays.

Thanks for the skeletal shots, Redhawk! :thumbup:



J
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No kraken, but a 40 pound catfish looks pretty scary from a foot away:eek:

I'd prefer it to be a little less pointy since my suit retailed at about $2000 at the time I got it (not at retail:D )
It's the neoprene mittens for diving in colder waters that make smaller knives difficult to use;)

A H1 Temperance would also be a great general purpose fixed blade.

Sverre
 
NoFair said:
No kraken, but a 40 pound catfish looks pretty scary from a foot away:eek:

I'd prefer it to be a little less pointy since my suit retailed at about $2000 at the time I got it (not at retail:D )
It's the neoprene mittens for diving in colder waters that make smaller knives difficult to use;)

A H1 Temperance would also be a great general purpose fixed blade.

Sverre
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Good point on the dive mittens. I'm used to warmer climes for diving. Must be some pretty thick skinned catfish over there as well. (Face to face with any forty pound fish will get your heart pumping!) Gotta hand it to you for diving the icy waters in Norway. Dive long and stay safe. :thumbup:

:D
J
 
java said:
Good point on the dive mittens. I'm used to warmer climes for diving. Must be some pretty thick skinned catfish over there as well. (Face to face with any forty pound fish will get your heart pumping!) Gotta hand it to you for diving the icy waters in Norway. Dive long and stay safe. :thumbup:

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J
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Thank you

I use my Pacific salt as the smaller sharp knife when diving in warmer climates.

What I called catfish is called steinbit here, rockbite translated directly to English. They don't look like American catfish, but for some reason they are often called catfish... I think the correct term is wolffish and that fits them a lot better.

The cold water is a lot clearer here than in summer when it heats up a bit. If one dresses correctly it isn't much of an issue;)

Enjoy the depths
 
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