tenacious or cyclone

J_Curd said:
Man, this thread seems familiar...
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Oh yea you called me names and told me to urinate or something. You said you fielded hundreds of customer service questions on the Kershaw Sub-Forum and you said how dare I talk to Thomas “A sales rep from Kershaw that way”.

I don’t know what Kershaw puts in the box that makes people defend EVERY product they make regardless of quality, utility or otherwise. This Kershaw fan club has lost all credibility when NOTHING is ever wrong with ant Kershaw product EVER. Then a feeding frenzy ensues all telling how they EDC that knife every day for the last 2 or 3 years. How many knives do you carry at once?

This is the problem. NOT KERSHAW, and BladeForums members know it!!!
 
This post was inappropriate to this forum. I’m sorry. I lost my cool.
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Condition 1 said:
Oh yea you called me names and told me to urinate or something. You said you fielded hundreds of customer service questions on the Kershaw Sub-Forum and you said how dare I talk to Thomas “A sales rep from Kershaw that way”.

I don’t know what Kershaw puts in the box that makes people defend EVERY product they make regardless of quality, utility or otherwise. This Kershaw fan club has lost all credibility when NOTHING is ever wrong with ant Kershaw product EVER. Then a feeding frenzy ensues all telling how they EDC that knife every day for the last 2 or 3 years. How many knives do you carry at once?

This is the problem. NOT KERSHAW, and BladeForums members know it!!!
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Not one single time did I call you a name. I told you to piss off, because you told the HEAD sales manager of KAI USA that you knew more about his products and warranty issues than he did. That my dear fellow is IMPOSSIBLE. You had no clue who he was until we told you.

Also, you went on to tell me I didnt read the Kershaw subforum which is where 90% of my time on this forum was spent before that subforum was closed. Again, feel free to go read the archives and eat crow, I answered over 100 questions there. Also, I complained about features on Kershaw knives I didnt care for, as have the rest of us, which we all have done because we are critical of their products. Had you actually spent time there, you would've been aware of that fact. Long and short, you aren't credible.

Don't you dare cast a shadow on the character of a group of collectors and enthusiasts who are all solid and honest guys. If you crap on my peers, expect me to call you out.

Lightning doesn't strike the same place twice...especially when it hasnt struck hundreds of others. Why would you buy a second knife if the 1st one broke on your and you were unhappy, let alone 2, 5, 6 or however many Cyclones it REALLY is. None of the other complainants I've read on this issue went back and bought more of the same. Seems a smart fellow might've stopped at one eh?

Please, produce a picture of the 5 or 6 broken Cyclones. Or take 2BKC up on his offer, he will trade you for them. So will I.

See, we aren't blowhards. We aren't even the company, but we will put our wallet on the table to try to make even the unhappy happy...assuming they are reasonable and honest characters.

Email Kershaw customer support from their website and ask that your email be forwarded to Thomas.

You didn't get resolution the first time, which is utterly amazing. Kershaw has bar none the best customer service in this industry. They have repaired blades I have broken, replaced hardware, and not once did I spend a dime other than shipping. I do not believe that they failed to take care of you unless your demands were ridiculous. Which from what youve posted, might very well be the case.

Again, the head of the sales department has offered to help you, even after you've told him he is incompetent. Think about that junior.
 
With a clear and COOLER mind I would like to say that I apologize to The Kershaw Mafia for grouping them in with others. In addition, I will not address this Cyclone issue ever again on this forum. There is far to much quality information on the Forum to waste on this. I'm an adult. What am I doing???

Apologies to those who I grouped in as The Kershaw Fan Club.
I am a Kershaw fan too.
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Condition 1 said:
Oh yea you called me names and told me to urinate or something. You said you fielded hundreds of customer service questions on the Kershaw Sub-Forum and you said how dare I talk to Thomas “A sales rep from Kershaw that way”.

I don’t know what Kershaw puts in the box that makes people defend EVERY product they make regardless of quality, utility or otherwise. This Kershaw fan club has lost all credibility when NOTHING is ever wrong with ant Kershaw product EVER. Then a feeding frenzy ensues all telling how they EDC that knife every day for the last 2 or 3 years. How many knives do you carry at once?

This is the problem. NOT KERSHAW, and BladeForums members know it!!!
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Not once in this thread did any poster ever say that your accusations were not valid. Not once did any poster ever say there is nothing ever wrong with any Kershaw product ever. The ones who had the same or similar problem posted that they did and the ones who didn't posted that they didn't.
BTW, I carry at least 2 knives at all times.

The apology in your next 2 post was a nice touch also. :thumbup:

Also, you never answered if you had any of the Cyclones left.
Email me from my website if you do. Use the link in my sig to get there.

J.W.
 
Amaranth said:
I am not super familiar with the Sandvik steel used in the Cyclone, but I believe it's roughly comparable to the Cr13 in terms of hardness.
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I find 8Cr13MoV a superior working steel to 13C26. Most Byrd folders I have used have outperformed Kershaw folders in the field. They are also easier to sharpen in the field and have higher corrosion resistance. I prefer the finish that Spyderco uses over Kershaw as I find that this aids further in rust resistance.

J_Curd said:
Well, there's some service you won't see often!
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I have experienced the same service from Spyderco and I know of several other people who have as well.

J_Curd said:
The Cyclone is:

Tougher
Larger
Has more features
Better warranty
Made in the USA
Better steel
Assisted Opening
Doesnt look like every other knife from the manufacturer
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what are the "more features" that the Cyclone offers than the Tenacious?

The Tenacious has a G-10 handle which is far superior to Aluminum, especially smooth aluminum.
Spyderco serrations are superior to Kershaw's scallops.

Spyderco has an exceptional warranty

see above re: my experience with real world usage of both steels

I can open a Spyderhole equipped folder with little to no practice as fast, if not faster than an assisted opening folder and get it to open fully and lock up more reliably.

That is the one plus for the Cyclone. It doesn't have the funky recurves and grind lines to the blade that several of the higher end Kershaws have. Most of those knives look like they are cut from the exact same mold.


I find assisted opening more of a gimmick than useful. I can open a knife with an opening hole as fast or faster than an assisted opening folder with a stud or a flipper. I find the hole more reliable when working with gloves on or with cold or wet hands.

If you are going to clip the knife to your pocket Spyderco's clips are far superior to Kershaw's. My experience with Kershaw's clips are that they are gaudy and indiscreet, too short, too wide, or too tight.

I have not owned either the Tenacious or the Cyclone but I have actually used several Kershaw and Spyderco/Byrd folders when working as a deckhand on a tug and as a commercial fisherman.

That said, 99% of the time a knife you recieve from Spyderco or Kershaw will come razor sharp out of the box and will be near perfect in fit and finish for a production knife company. Both companies' knives are designed for comfort, ergonomics and cutting superiority before pretty looks but I have to give Spyderco the lead in this aspect as well.

The tenacious is made in China, as are their Byrd line of folders. I don't mind this as the quality of every Byrd I have owned has been excellent. If you do, go with the Cyclone.
You may need to find the sweet spot to get an AO folder to open reliably by adjusting the pivot a few times but you can't go wrong with either company. Personally I would select the Spyderco over the Kershaw.

YMMV

Pete
 
Josh K said:
I dislike AO knives in general. My vote goes with the Tenacious on this one. Comparing what I've seen from a quick search, you can get the Tenacious shipped under $38.
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J_Curd said:
Why is that?
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Josh K said:
Same reason I dislike the color pink. Just not my thing.
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J_Curd said:
Gotcha. I figured you might actually have a reason.
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Someone needs a reason to dislike something? or someone needs a reason to have an opinion? I can see if he said AO is superior or inferior to manual opening that you might want a reason based on his experiences with it or facts proving that statement. But if AO isn't someone's bag, it isn't someone's bag.
 
Rational people have logical reasons why they do or do not like something, so yes, there has to be a reason.
 
J_Curd said:
Rational people have logical reasons why they do or do not like something, so yes, there has to be a reason.
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People are inherently irrational, so no there doesn't need to be a logical reason.
 
This has to be the first time Ive seen someone admit to being irrational to prove a point. I don't know where to start, so I'll let it ride. :)
 
I like the spyderco tenacious. It's actually one of my favorite EDC knives and I bought it just because I wanted to see the quality of spyderco knives. Plus, it's a liner lock, which I prefer for one handed use, and had a bad experience with their lockback. The tenacious is cheap too, but seems of higher quality than any other knife of the same price range. I think I might get another one just to have one to stock and one to rock.
 
J_Curd said:
Rational people have logical reasons why they do or do not like something, so yes, there has to be a reason.
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People are not always conciously aware of the reason why, nor are they always capable of quantitatively articulating the reason.

The example about not liking the color pink seems apt, IMO. I don't like certain colors and I can't really tell you why, I just don't. Everybody tells me the colors blue and brown go together, and match, and look good together, etc. My wife especially always reminds me of this. But I don't see it, I don't get it, I think blue and brown together looks terrible when everybody else seems to say otherwise.

And I don't need a logical, quantifiable, articuable reason to say that. Just like the gentleman above does not need one to say that Assisted Opening knives just aren't his thing.
 
Evaluating a mechanism or device is much different than a color. There are tangible factors at play.
 
J_Curd said:
Evaluating a mechanism or device is much different than a color. There are tangible factors at play.
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Define evaluate.

We aren't talking about function, per se. I agree there is a difference but I think the similarities are greater than the differences, at least.
 
How are you guys breaking your folders? I've never broken a folder, ever. I don't even take care of the folders I carry and use, other than sharpening about twice a year. Every now and then, I'll blow the lint buildup out from carrying it in my pocket.

My regular use folders are Spyderco, Kershaw, Benchmade, Victorinox, and a long time ago...Gerber.
 
J_Curd said:
Evaluating a mechanism or device is much different than a color. There are tangible factors at play.
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Wouldn't you concede that there are intangible factors in evaluating anything?

There are people that love traditional knives and see no use for a clip or other "features."
 
I will tell you WHY i prefer manual opening over assisted opening. I don't need to but I will :).

Assisted opening folders in the environment I work in have more parts to break. I can open a knife as fast or faster with a thumb hole than an assisted opener with less parts to worry about failing. I work around water and don't have the luxury of making sure the knife is clean and dry between uses. I work around sand and coal dust as well as with old polypropylene rope that, when cut leaves dust on the blade and in the workings of the knife. I want to know that my knife will open reliably ever time that I open it and especially when it is in a life or death situation.

The Kershaw AO's that I have used, including the Boa, Shallot, Onion/Centofante, Blackout and Chive all exhibited failure to open at times. I rectified this with the Onion and the Shallot by loosening the pivot pin. They open reliably about 95% of the time. The others I sold or gave away.

I've had no problems with my SOG Flash II, Blink or Twitch. They open reliably and consistently every time.

That said, I rarely carry assisted openers, again, due to the fact that I can open a manual folder just as fast without the added hassle of the occasional failure to open and lock completely, worry about broken mechanisms, and the gray area legalities that come with them.

Kershaw makes a great knife and I would own more of them if they are not assisted opening. But if it came down to a Spyderco/Byrd or a Kershaw to use at work and possibly use to save my life or the life of one of my crewmates, I would go with Spyderco/Byrd.
 
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