Thank you kershaw.

Thomas W said:
Speaking of hypothetical, what if the Leek was assembled in China and had the same materials, specs, and performance of it's current state? Couldn't tell the difference. Same monies...

That cool? I'm not sure anymore.
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It'd be cool with me.
But being Canadian, the "must be made in America!" thing never resonated to loud with me.;)
Quality is quality. I like USA made knives due to quality.
I like Japanese and German knives due to quality.
I dislike knives that suck made in the USA, Japan, China, Germany, etc.

Give me the quality and I'll give you the dollars!:thumbup:
 
Amen stabman. My thoughts exactly.

The whole point of my light hearted post was to put into perspective that quality is quality regardless of geographical location or heritage or other irrelevant factors. A spade is a spade, a knife is a knife and 5 thou in Taiwan is 5 thou in Canada. If the made in usa stamp means that much to you, all the power to you so long as you realize that's the only difference, which you admitted you do. You seem really ticked off by what I said but that wasn't my intention. Just relax, we all have opinions and preferences, nothing wrong with that.

The only reason it's cheaper to manufacture in some of these countries is they pay their people dog poo. That's not okay with me. Ill buy from first world nations and pay for their skill.
If a guy in Taiwan makes a knife exactly to the same spec as a guy in the US why shouldn't they both profit the same? There's no magic in manufacturing. But paying for the name, I truly understand. A Rolex made by Jean Guy Watch & Co doesn't have the same ring to it eh? ;)
 
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RevDevil said:
He was refering to the comments, not the person.
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I missed this.Sorry.
RevDevil said:
Is it alright in your opinion to ask manufacturers how much their profit margin is? Obviously not, it's no one's business what it is but their own.
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It depends. This is not OK, if company is privately owned. But if company is public, all information is public. I do not know if KAI is public or private company. Also I saw that Thomas posted after these comments and if these were OK for him, than IMHO regular forum member shouldn't make such comments.
 
bh49 said:
Also I saw that Thomas posted after these comments and if these were OK for him, than IMHO regular forum member shouldn't make such comments.
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Ahhhhk, the opinion police are about.:D
 
leafstorm said:
I understand your patriotism, but Canada has the beaver tail and the poutine, plus Elisha Cuthbert is ours. I think that entitles us to the same standard of living as you lads ;)
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That and Jewel Staite together, absent any and all other factors, entitle you to the same standard of living as us "lads."
I'm just getting back into Kershaw. So far, I have one, the multicolored Boa, that I bought years ago. It has been carried and used a bit, although it is not my most used folder. I HAVE used it enough to say, though, that I prefer the way the 440V in it was heat-treated to the way my Military 440V was. Although I love them both. I have more bugs than KAI's right now, but I foresee that ratio closing, as I have quit buying bugs. Not because of their sourcing or assembly, I just have moved away from their style. I appreciate both companies, though, and see little reason to avoid either due to their sources. I doubt I'll ever be buying a knife again that is "made" in China, whether it is materially sourced or assembled there. I have no problem buying a knife "made" in Taiwan, though.
 
Thomas W said:
what if the Leek was assembled in China and had the same materials, specs, and performance of it's current state? Couldn't tell the difference. Same monies...

That cool?
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Not cool IMO.....having the same quality is great, but what the Canadian "lads" aren't seeing is keeping jobs in the US. That is what some of us USA people are concerned with.

So hypothetically, what happens to the guy in Oregon putting the leeks together after they move to China.....does he get moved to another line in his factory and retain his job?...maybe.......or is he laid off and now looks for a new job in the soft job market. These are just some of my thoughts, and no one should think they have to agree with them..
 
jvarn81 said:
Not cool IMO.....having the same quality is great, but what the Canadian "lads" aren't seeing is keeping jobs in the US. That is what some of us USA people are concerned with.

So hypothetically, what happens to the guy in Oregon putting the leeks together after they move to China.....does he get moved to another line in his factory and retain his job?...maybe.......or is he laid off and now looks for a new job in the soft job market. These are just some of my thoughts, and no one should think they have to agree with them..
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Or maybe it creates new jobs in sales, marketing, accounting, QC...
 
Thomas W said:
Or maybe it creates new jobs in sales, marketing, accounting, QC...
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Point taken.......but is your guy assembling Leeks qualified for sales, marketing, accounting, QC? .......I am thinking maybe a QC position.......maybe he will have to go back to college and get a better degree.........OK, I am getting way off track here....:foot:
 
Thomas W said:
Speaking of hypothetical, what if the Leek was assembled in China and had the same materials, specs, and performance of it's current state? Couldn't tell the difference. Same monies...

That cool? I'm not sure anymore.
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I have to admit it would be a hard pill for me to swallow but Id like to think that I would eventually come around. Think of it like custom knives Vs. Production. The ZT0560 Has a Titanium frame lock with a very nice steel and excellent fit and finish. But there will always be those who will hold the XM18 or XM24 to a higher level (even the production XM knives) simply because they have the "prestige" of being an actual Hinderer. Even though at times there is really no logic or valid reason for why people hold certain things in higher regard than others it doesnt change the fact that they do regardless. I said this recently in another area of the forum but I feel it applies here too. A ferrari is held in high regard not only for it being on the pinnacle of performance and engineering but also because of its rich italian heritage. I think people accepting a imported leek of the same materials would go over about as well as a chinese ferrari or korean Corvette. I know those are extreme comparisons but I dont know how else to describe it. I have no legitimate reasons for preferring made in the usa. Just as I suspect that some people wont buy generic clothes even if they are as good or better than designer stuff.
 
I wouldnt buy a chinese Leek.

I've always preferred American made knives, and out of 25 or maybe 30 Kershaw/ZT knives I own, one is from china(Outcast). I understand that having some foreign made models can be helpful. But the USA made stuff is what I love and care about.

And I got to say that the knives, jobs, and the customer care from Kershaw is great. I have benefited directly from certain jobs being created and I am thankful for it. I like seeing a company that creates jobs and supports our American brothers and sisters and their families.

It seems now days, at least for me, a lot of the stuff(not knives, but most other things) on the market is junk. I try to buy quality products and very often have issues. I have a long list of brands I wont buy anymore. I can trust in Kershaw every time I purchase a knife, I know they will back it up to no end. If every company was like them Id be a happy guy. I even try to buy my knives from KershawGuy because his customer service mirrors Kershaws.

So thanks Kershaw, you have done a lot of good. And while I still will not buy chinese knives, I wont pick on you guys too much for making them.
 
China's current government has a poor record on basic human freedoms. This is an important issue to me, and so I take it into account when considering purchases between equal-priced alternatives. I like imports. But the less of my money that can be used to pay a tribute to an oppressive government through its taxes/tariffs, the happier I'll be... I have a high regard for the Chinese citizenry, and wish them all the best - if their government was congruous with basic human freedoms, I would eagerly purchase equal-priced items from China without reservation. However it isn't, so I won't.

And yes, I realize how much of everything most of us use on a daily basis comes from China, including entry-level pocketknives. That's just how the world spins. However among the few and far between situations where feasible alternatives are available, I prefer importing from elsewhere...
 
onimusha said:
China's current government has a poor record on basic human freedoms. This is an important issue to me, and so I take it into account when considering purchases between equal-priced alternatives. I like imports. But the less of my money that can be used to pay a tribute to an oppressive government through its taxes/tariffs, the happier I'll be... I have a high regard for the Chinese citizenry, and wish them all the best - if their government was congruous with basic human freedoms, I would eagerly purchase equal-priced items from China without reservation. However it isn't, so I won't.

And yes, I realize how much of everything most of us use on a daily basis comes from China, including entry-level pocketknives. That's just how the world spins. However among the few and far between situations where feasible alternatives are available, I prefer importing from elsewhere...
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+1... For the most part. Definitely why I avoid buying Chinese knives like the plague. I gravitate toward "Made in USA," but only avoid "Made in China."
 
onimusha said:
China's current government has a poor record on basic human freedoms. This is an important issue to me, and so I take it into account when considering purchases between equal-priced alternatives.
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I have even bigger problem with direction where their nukes pointed to.
rockspyder said:
+1... For the most part. Definitely why I avoid buying Chinese knives like the plague. I gravitate toward "Made in USA," but only avoid "Made in China."
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+1
BTW, can somebody tell me when ZT0600 will be available. I really want to thank Kershaw too:)
More info like if this will be a limited run or production will be appreciated as well.
 
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