The Bark River debacle; where to go from here?

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So the recent allegations that came out about Bark River Knives are quite damming, which really only adds to over two decades of shady practices from old Mike. However, the stuff that happened with Blackjack Knives and the various allegations thrown around mislabeled steels on some models, though obviously damming, were just that, allegations from decades ago and the occasional curveball (not denying them, especially in light of recent events) and for people like me who were simply looking for high quality materials, full convex, lifetime warranty and a family-run business instead of a massive faceless behemoth company, were outweighed by what we found in such company. And in the end, the performance was definitely there and the quality control was (mostly, we could open a can of worms on this one) there, though steadily declining through the years, with more recent runs of knives like the Squad Leader 2 having uneven, scratched fullers (the 2016ish run was far better polished), the ditching of brass guards in favor of aluminium, the usage of crappy hardware store hex nut to hold down pommels as opposed to the old Randall style nuts, uneven plunge lines becoming a coin toss, suspiciously underpriced and un-announced knives like the Highwayman 4 allegedly being made from Chinese steel kits... etc. Just gross.

Now, what do you think are companies that actually are what Bark River feigned to be for so long, or at the very least lost along the way? Family run, made in a western country, lifetime warranty, high quality materials, client first. I can think of White River knives, though they lack the sheer variety of options brk had, and don't know much about them; same for LT Wright. Great companies, but you don't have everything from small carving knives to survival knives to large bowie knives to even obscure traditional designs, to machetes etc. like we did with brk (again, flaws and all).

Is custom really the only viable way left if you want extensive options, high quality materials, not overpay, be put first as a client and not feed some faceless leviathan?
 
Personally, I don't need one knife company to "do it all." I don't need to buy everything from a small carving knife to a large Bowie from the same company. I tend to buy knives from different makers who excel at certain niches, and focus on specific styles/designs that are that maker's strengths. There are many very good options out there.
 
Personally, I don't need one knife company to "do it all." I don't need to buy everything from a small carving knife to a large Bowie from the same company. I tend to buy knives from different makers who excel at certain niches, and focus on specific styles/designs that are that maker's strengths. There are many very good options out there.
What brands have you found to be most reliable qc and price to performance wise? Nowadays it looks like everything's being bought by some faceless firm outsourcing labor; everything just feels both cheaper yet more expensive than just 10 years ago.
 
What brands have you found to be most reliable qc and price to performance wise? Nowadays it looks like everything's being bought by some faceless firm outsourcing labor; everything just feels both cheaper yet more expensive than just 10 years ago.

Buy from hardworking individuals like some of our forum makers and you won’t have to worry about being disappointed or feeling cheap.
 
There's no company like Bark River was. In terms of volume, handle material choices, and design variety, they were more or less in their own class. There are a lot of great companies with a better-run business and more ethical leadership making good knives, but nobody with the sheer variety of things Bark River put out.

There are a lot of good knifemakers, not all of them are good businessmen, and of the ones who aren't good businessmen, some of them are also unethical.
 
Just a few bad folks do not spoil the industry. So many great companies and makers that turn out great products at fair prices.
 
Just posted this in cpk's random thoughts thread, but figured it is on topic here too...

So, thinking back, I'm pretty sure I can credit BRK for leading me to CPK and blade forums. I had been using and abusing an ESEE 3 and an izula for a few years and started to get the hankering for a "nicer" (steel/handle material) knife. BRK were readily available, good looking knives and they really got my attention. I'm a person that tries to do his due dilligence when spending money, and started reading everything i could find on BRK. Well I found plenty of reasons/allegations to not take a chance with their product.

Instead I spent my money on a Fiddleback forge, then a mid-tech from them. Eventually my DEK 1 in aebl from CPK's website. So I'm of the few today that can be "thankful" for Bark River and leading me to these forums lol.
 
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I don't think it will have to much effect on knife lovers . But now is the time to grab one up If he was using outside labor or steel to make more product, good riddance. I feel sorry for some of the big dealers that stocked his stuff hopefully they can unload at a profit. I just ordered a knife from a small time maker in my beloved 1095 .
 
Personally, I don't need one knife company to "do it all." I don't need to buy everything from a small carving knife to a large Bowie from the same company. I tend to buy knives from different makers who excel at certain niches, and focus on specific styles/designs that are that maker's strengths. There are many very good options out there.
Spot on!
 
All companies are a friend to only themselves. As my sig line used to say, "Brand loyalty is a one-way street."

Building a relationship with an independent maker is better road to be on.
 
Bark River broke some ground when they started popularizing well done convex grinds. They certainly were not the first or the best at this, but they were/are very good and they made this kind of knife more popular and accessible. I have always liked Bark River in spite of the issues and the drama. I own several good ones and have used them a lot.
That being said there are tons of other options to choose from. It sounds like the management was very unethical and dishonest especially towards the end. I wish the talented people who used to work there all the best.
 
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There's no company like Bark River was. In terms of volume, handle material choices, and design variety, they were more or less in their own class. There are a lot of great companies with a better-run business and more ethical leadership making good knives, but nobody with the sheer variety of things Bark River put out.

There are a lot of good knifemakers, not all of them are good businessmen, and of the ones who aren't good businessmen, some of them are also unethical.

Agree 100%, & it would be a good time for other knife companies to up their ante on their handle materials!
 
You bring up a phenomenal question and issue. One shop small team All-USA. Attractive BRK-like? (But always IMO so much better)

Fixed blades. You want CONVEX? And you want variation of models some quasi brute or quasi tactical and the historic Scagel-like camp to
Kitchen EDC to traditional?! Bowie Scagel Wood Craft WW2-hearkening Camp…. All being in the more traditional-scheme but you’re going to drool at the website and vintage models on secondary market>>

** Please see Jim Behring knives (BEHRING MADE KNIVES).

Jim and co fits perfectly into that quest and are still affordable and with customized options. Outstanding young man, family and a small-med business going on now many years. I’m unsure how may employees he has aiding his effort but am certain it has upscaled a bunch these years. Phenomenal aesthetics function and Quality all the way through. His is a personal business without the drama and cheat. Plenty of great makers for what you’re seeking. However - Please support the small makers like Jim Behring Knives.
 
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You bring up a phenomenal question and issue. One shop small team All-USA. Attractive BRK-like? (But always IMO so much better)

Fixed blades. You want CONVEX? And you want variation of models some quasi brute or quasi tactical and the historic Scagel-like camp to
Kitchen EDC to traditional?! Bowie Scagel Wood Craft WW2-hearkening Camp…. All being in the more traditional-scheme but you’re going to drool at the website and vintage models on secondary market>>

** Please see Jim Behring knives (BEHRING MADE KNIVES).

Jim and co fits perfectly into that quest and are still affordable and with customized options. Outstanding young man, family and a small-med business going on now many years. I’m unsure how may employees he has aiding his effort but am certain it has upscaled a bunch these years. Phenomenal aesthetics function and Quality all the way through. His is a personal business without the drama and cheat. Plenty of great makers for what you’re seeking. However - Please support the small makers like Jim Behring Knives.
Iz at Turley Knives is my go to. Great Convex. Tons of options and great concepts. Got a niche for artistic style and functionality since he designs them as woods and combat tools.

And most importantly honest.

 
Bark River will always be special to me. So many great camping memories since 2010. 😉👍 I truly wish the best for everyone who used to work there.
 
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What a way to ruin an establish brand and completely crush its fans. On one hand I feel gutted. On the other hand, the writing was on the wall. I am so relieved that all of my Bark River knives are pre-2019. The one's I'm currently using I'm reasonably sure are the correct steel listed (the way they feel when cutting and sharpening). With that said, trust is everthing in any business, You lose that, you eventually lose everything. If money meant more to Mike Stewart then the reputation of his hard built business, then I have to say good riddance. The real shame is that his son Jim Stewart will have to wear that tarnished legacy as well from now on. I don't think the knife community will forget or ever forgive this betrayal. I suspect his foray into the knife business will be short and bittersweet. We will have to wait and see.

Maybe I'm just being niave, but if you make something to sell, and you stand by that product, you at least should be honest about what it is and what it's made from. There was no need to lie or decieve. There are proper and legal ways to deal with insolvency. It's not like Bark River was just a fly-by-night start up company failing in it's early years. It was well known. It had quite a number of happy, loyal customers (also had some disappointed one's too, but that is to be expected). In it's golden years it did produce decent quality, reliable, and really pretty knives, and if it kept that up it could have eventually made legendary status in the knife world. Now, in it's twilight, Bark River is simply dust in the wind, a mere speck of what it once was and can never be again.

Good bye Bark River Knives, thank you for the good years and for the exceptional knives that I currently use and enjoy.

Now it's time to rest in peace.
 
What a way to ruin an establish brand and completely crush its fans. On one hand I feel gutted. On the other hand, the writing was on the wall. I am so relieved that all of my Bark River knives are pre-2019. The one's I'm currently using I'm reasonably sure are the correct steel listed (the way they feel when cutting and sharpening). With that said, trust is everthing in any business, You lose that, you eventually lose everything. If money meant more to Mike Stewart then the reputation of his hard built business, then I have to say good riddance. The real shame is that his son Jim Stewart will have to wear that tarnished legacy as well from now on. I don't think the knife community will forget or ever forgive this betrayal. I suspect his foray into the knife business will be short and bittersweet. We will have to wait and see.

Maybe I'm just being niave, but if you make something to sell, and you stand by that product, you at least should be honest about what it is and what it's made from. There was no need to lie or decieve. There are proper and legal ways to deal with insolvency. It's not like Bark River was just a fly-by-night start up company failing in it's early years. It was well known. It had quite a number of happy, loyal customers (also had some disappointed one's too, but that is to be expected). In it's golden years it did produce decent quality, reliable, and really pretty knives, and if it kept that up it could have eventually made legendary status in the knife world. Now, in it's twilight, Bark River is simply dust in the wind, a mere speck of what it once was and can never be again.

Good bye Bark River Knives, thank you for the good years and for the exceptional knives that I currently use and enjoy.

Now it's time to rest in peace.
I wouldn’t trust a single blade from Mike or Bark River pre anything.

Mike has been a schemer since the late 80’s.

“Im sorry” is his rebuttal from stealing millions ?

Gtfo

Never buy a knife from a thief:

Examples:
Mike Stewart
Brian Sargent
Survive!
Steve Corkum
Jack Crain
Evers forge works
 
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